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this is advice for being confronted by police, being questioned by police, as if you are being questioned as a potential criminal. Most often this advice is for a traffic stop.
Reporting imminent crimes and threats to the police is completely separate issue from your 5th amendment rights. I really doubt this kid and his friend are gonna commit any real crimes but he should tell his teachers or the doxing kid's parents what's going on.
I know that if I do not administer CPR to a person who's heart has stopped, they will very likely die.
I don't worry about whether the heck or not I catch a cold from administering mouth-to-mouth.
This isn't divorce court. It's not a case of miscarriages of justice mired in legal BS. It's not a case of possible mistaken identity or misinterpreted collusion.
This is a case of "See Something, Say Something."
You can continue on, yammering about miscarriages of justice or pointing fingers at judicial mistakes or relating cases of tragedy.
Will your actions, just now, just a few minutes ago, save a life?
No.
It's internet rambling for no reason. The only warning you're giving is one that could potentially result in lives being lost. For whatever reason...
I dunno, maybe you had something bad happen to you, once? OK, fair enough, but that's not fair enough to bring it up where it's not relevant. It isn't relevant.
The only thing that means anything is whether or not this information gets reported to those who can best manage it from there. Will the worst happen? I don't know, but it is not a time to be complacent and cautious - Those minutes, hours, and days spent yammering about this could be paid by very real, and very brief, lives being lost.
You want that responsibility? Would you be proud to have convinced this OP to refrain from reporting a potential hazard because "this one time, at band camp?"
Is that what you really want for anyone? Really? I don't think so. I may be giving you more credit than you are due, but I prefer to think that once the dust settles, most people know what Right and Wrong really are. I think you do, too.
The amount of care I have concerning what happened to some other guy somewhere is nonexistent as far as the main subject of this thread is concerned.
His life is not possibly at stake right now.
If you were the OP in the OP's situation, what would you do right this vary moment. Go ahead, be honest - What would you do?
It is highly publicized that it can "flip the wrong way" and you are very likely subject to selective bias, here.
The vast majority of crimes that are reported get reported by those non-criminals reporting them and then... the legal system does not rush after them, eager to feed. Why? Because "shooting the messenger" is not the purpose of the legal system.
I've reported plenty of crimes. Not once did any cop, prosecutor, or anyone else seek to pursue any investigation against me. Of course, that's because I'm not a criminal, not because they forgot to pursue anyone who they've ever had any contact with in order to prosecute them for crimes they aren't liable for...
I. Don't. Care.
The only thing I care about is the possibility that a dangerous situation could develop. All this "internet theorizing" is hot-air and is not in any way helpful at all, particularly in the supposed "substance" of the sorts of justification for delay you are suggesting.
What are you arguing here? Are you trying to sea-lawyer the OP in lack of a case, in lack of any charges, in the lack of courtroom or any possible current legal situation?
None of that has happened. Any "legal" situation will rely on the facts in evidence and we have ZERO of those. All we have is a report by the OP - We don't even know if it's true.
You're going to run with that into the dark jungles of pointing out highly unlikely situations developing that may or may not have ever happened to "some guy?"
Seriously?
I actually have an attorney currently under retainer. No, I wouldn't ask them a darn thing right now about this. And, they would not comment, either, and I wouldn't offer it up for public scrutiny as any form of legal commentary.
And, if "something happened" while you're "preparing your statement" for the thousands of people eager to see you stand in front of the news cameras instead of calling 911 and you're too late... it's already happened. Congrats - At least you got it all nice and typed out and stuff. You'll surely get an "A."
Ask him. Go ahead, you're already paying him - Ask him for non-committal, hypothetical, judgement. Would he tell you to call the police if you heard a convincing statement from a friend to threaten to shoot up a school and to alert the police of that or would he ask you to schedule an appointment with him first so you guys can put together a press release?
I have no issue with that at all. The issue I have is that someone is telling someone else to go through a half-baked CYA process in the face of a possible life-threatening situation that has become uncomfortably too common these days, with the frequency of these events only further encouraging troubled minds to seek out their own form of violent therapy.
Yup, they exist. I also know of instances, years past though.
Bad people, incompetent people, mixed up ignorant or violent people, are everywhere. Even in police departments. You don't see "The Best of the Best" volunteering for those jobs these days, do you? Maybe a few who are very dedicated do exactly that. I know a couple who did and they're "good people." Tough, hard, people, but "good people" all the same. A lot of ex-military do, since they can gain tenure via their prior service when they walk in the door. That doesn't mean they're more competent, it just means they're more used to being on the crap-end of the stick. :)
This kid needs to talk to his parents. Would you suggest a minor contact his attorney, first, before doing that?
Right? Thinking about that? I didn't, at first, because I usually don't converse a lot with young people. But, this guy is "in school."
Still think he needs to call an attorney and make a prepared "statement" (rly?) first?
The OP is "School Age." He/She is currently in a school situation where a classmate, "IRL Friend," may have turned in a plagiarized English paper and now internetz drama has ensueed.
Do you still suggest that he contact his attorney and prepare a Press Release?
The kid needs to talk to his parents, pronto. Failing that, he should contact the authorities.
I went by your description. I don't have to make an appointment either, but I'm not about to bother with it and wouldn't just in order to CYA for "reporting" this incident.
I will not comment on my latest personal experiences and the contractual obligations certain parties are under that may or may not have been failed to have been met in a satisfactory, and fully stipulated, matter. I will also not say that I hold anyone at any fault as a question of their character, intent, or diligence. I will not comment on that and am not commenting on that. Probably.
PS: I think you'd agree that this conversation isn't about "winning an internet argument," right? If not, know that I don't consider it to be that, though I may forcefully present my points in disagreement. :)
We have no way of knowing how "responsible" of adults they actually are, though.
Eventually OP will be an adult theirself and need to know how to handle these situations as an adult - hopefully they'll start making better choices about what sort of "jokes" they let slip out that might trigger someone, as well as what kind of people they're associating with as friends in the first place - so that, ideally, they just don't even have to deal with these kinds of nightmares.
Anyways,
The parents are not exactly going to be calm when they receive this information, either, though - which they probably already did & is probably the reason that we haven't heard back from the OP in this time since.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, I haven't indexed all of the case law that I ever saw - I used to be a lot less interested in legal & just ignored it & incorrectly assumed that it would function properly.
HOWEVER,
I do remember there being a case like this somewhere down south, Texas, possibly, where a similar incident wasn't investigated properly & was horribly mishandled.
Anyways, that aside, you want to be sure that you are only giving the authorities true information & keeping it short & simple. This doesn't just protect you from incriminating yourself but also helps ensure that the potential investigation is NOT being mislead with mistaken statements.
Keep in mind, the "friend" is masquerading with OP's face & name while saying this stuff - so unless that is VERY CLEARLY communicated, then it is very easy for an officer to get confused & think that this is something that OP is threatening.
Some cops are just that dim-witted, because they're people & some people are.
No attorney in the United States is going to jump to have a minor as a client in this situation.
Abuse? They'd contact the State if approached. (Or, should. They're not a legal guardian, either.)
The child is not emancipated.
And, now you're talking about researching case-law?
The OP is a minor. What you may assume about his parents is not relevant since there is no information suggesting it should be.
/sigh
I'm done with this for now. I'm hoarding the oxygen in the room and the internet ink is being used up. Well, I'll be self-deprecating in that regard.
But, one does not advise minors to act without parental consent and that is what you're doing to a very weird degree. I realized my mistake when I hit the send button on my second post in this thread - I interacted out of reaction as I would with an adult. This OP does not appear at all to be an adult. So, I walked-back my replies encouraging them to contact authorities and emphasized that they should talk with their parents.
That's the only acceptable advice possible, right now, unless there is truly an immediate threat or the confirmed reality that one is about to take place without timely action to prevent it. In that case, an emergency call by a minor is easily justified.
No.
All prior existing cases are case law.
...and you seem very doubtful of the amount of magnificent failures of the justice system so... MY ability to reference all of those cases would be useful for the purposes of this discussion, unfortunately, I didn't index them all, so... I am limited on what I can actually reference (however, I have referenced a couple of incidents in this topic already).
If you think that's something that I'm saying that the OP should be doing then you are mistaken.
I'm assuming nothing.
They might be responsible adults, or they might not be.
Considering the possibility that they might not be is not making an assumption - if anything, failing to recognize the possibility is assuming that they will be [responsible adults].
So, you are mistaken to believe that I am assuming something about their parents.
According to the "Years of Service" badge on their profile, if they created their account within the Terms of Service, they are at least 17, possibly 18.
Of course not. You're scrutinizing my points, so I'm merely elaborating.
Frankly, the stress that the situation that the OP describes, isn't something that anyone should have to deal with - that alone should be a good motivator for them to say "screw it" and just report their "friend", because there's nothing funny about any of this.
However, I also know that the legal system can be an absolute failure sometimes, & I wouldn't recommend that anyone mess with any aspect of it without first seeking guidance from a professional, if they have the opportunity to do so.
Sometimes it victimizes victims that are reporting a crime or concern (among other ways that it fails) and the only victims of injustice that society cares about in any capacity are the ones whose blood are spilled.
Victims that are branded as perpetrators? Nah. No one cares about them.
There's actually a lot of absolutely messed up cases where "truth doesn't matter".