Why does cheating in a game **** people off so much?

[Justin_760]

Ill never understand this. Was googling threads on how to use cheatengine to add money/skill points to AC Odyssey... and almost every thread had the same horde of messages.

People infuriated that some random person on the internet is trying to cheat in a single player game. Ive seen this so many times, on so many different SP games. Angry and bitter posts about "ruining the game" and being a "no skill scrub", the list goes on. A myriad of varying insults and crap posts, the only thing that stays the same between them is the palpable wrath.

Thing is, I find it hard to believe that these angry people truly have a deep caring for how others experience their games. Surely this rhetoric isnt motivated by selfless benevolence and the desire for others to have the best experience. So what is the real reason? Why does the idea of someone else cheating a SP game anger people so?

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I have got lots of notifications from this thread but can't see any new comments. What's happening?

Scared off the original OP methinks.

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I have got lots of notifications from this thread but can't see any new comments. What's happening?

Basically me and some guys saying that you're funny.

[sotaponi]

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It's not about the what. Nobody really cares about your single player game. It's about they why. Why are you a cheat? When I see players doing it, methinks that this mirrors what you are in real life. Your way of living is to try and cheat at everything. And we are all the ones that you will try and cheat in real life.

I think it's okay to cheat if you do it order to accomplish a greater cause. For example, if I could cheat the universe to end homelessness and enforce world peace in reality... I'd do it? So I don't see why giving myself infinite resources in games such as Anno or Victoria 2 is bad. Indeed, from this point of view, I would consider not cheating but watching my peasants starve to be morally questionable.

I always cheat in order to give my citizens the best life possible.

[Radene]

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Escrito originalmente por Splatterpult:

Yes I get it perfectly what he said.

We are the legitimate gamers. If there is anything in our "nerves", that is honesty and legitimacy.

We simply don't care what some cheaters do in their single player game. Nor we need to in the first place. And we ligit gamers did not create this thread either. It's not us who need validation from others for our actions. Just placed our opinion about it when seen.

Some people just kept dreaming.....

Wait, "legitimate gamers" have a union now? Who's the representative for my area?

[Azor]

Those people clearly never played GTA.

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Those people clearly never played GTA.

are you talking about the cheating in GTA online then thats cheating in multiplayer not singleplayer

Were you born in 2005? GTA Online isnt the only GTA..

[Azor]

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Those people clearly never played GTA.

are you talking about the cheating in GTA online then thats cheating in multiplayer not singleplayer

I'm obviously talking about single player

[Justin_760]

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sp doesnt matter since. no one gets hurt by it

except, player is hurting himself. in a way. unless, they are testing some specific things. like mods, engine possibilities or something like that.

the only useful purpose of video games from the perspective of evolution is that they can offer challenge to out brain through logic, memory, imagination/creativity stimulation, and perception (physical and mental).

when games that are not meant to be played on god mode are being played like that, it's like watching a screen saver. although, supposedly, first ideas of games appeared from people pointlesly watchin at screens, gaming culture become a thing not from watching screen savers for sure.

combine this with the fact that most gamers had more or less negative experiences with various cheaters online, and here we are...

The idea that others are supposed to follow your own ethics code is what cultural anthropologists refer to as Ethnocentrism. Its basically considered a "dysfunction" in thinking - a frequent trait of an inexperienced person. But its also common, people see their own culture or subculture as the correct/superior way, and all others as simply wrong. Its something you should try to challenge when it appears. Its always best to try and see things from both sides, which is partly the reason I made this thread, to get insight from people like you!

Personally I encourage cheating on SP/offline games that are intentionally created to be grindy. Take AC Odyssey, its economy and level up process are a total slog, game will take you 100 hours if your lucky, to see everything. But wait, there is a Ubisoft store that is selling boosters and epic powerful items, crates of resources etc.

So my question is, how is it ok to simply buy all these "cheats" in a store for real life money, but not ok to simply add it in with a cheat engine? Since adding all these items without "earning" them is already a mechanic in the game (you can spend $ on loads of any item: gold, resources) isnt it realistic to say cheating is therefore justified? The only difference is that your not adding the resources in the way that is giving the company loads of your real life earned money.


The posts in this thread are fascinating from a psychological perspective. Theres a small portion of people here that to seem to classify cheating in a SP video game as "immoral" - offending their scruples. Its an interesting concept, "immoral" cheating in a pretend world of a video game, something thats meant only to entertain and be a recreational activity.

[About47Pandas]

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Cheaters ruin the leaderboards in single-player games

Well, Leader boards are not a means of keeping official records. Typically, just like speed running or any other type of official record, it is usually recorded.

As a rule of thumb, take leaderboards as a grain of salt.

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Cheaters ruin the leaderboards in single-player games

Leaderboards? If you wanna be competitive, SP is a subpar choice over MP.

This is not really a thing. The Speed Running Community would overwhelmingly disagree with you.

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Some singleplayer games have leaderboards where the top players also get exclusive items/rewards for being the 'best players' in the game, and then the developers do absolutely nothing to stop the cheaters so it totally ruins the experience for those who dont cheat

developers’ fault for not CHECKING USER INpUt

Eh, also not really their fault. anyone can program software to put user inputs in for you- If Devs check a specific threshold, that can be discovered and circumvented. -- devs fighting cheating is an on going battle and does not stop. You just do not understand how it works.

Escrito originalmente por ⎛⎝ Cloud Boy ⎠⎞:

I DON'T cheat because it takes away the fun from the game. Game beaten by cheating gives me no feelings of achievements. Feels like I wasted the whole time but achieved nothing.

I think depending on the game from opinion, for some, its not about the achievement. A game like Final Fantasy or even metal gear for instance, some may only care about the story rather than the accomplishment.

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In a competitive playing field, things should be even as in fair. Equal and from that foundation, rise the best.

Fair play, simple as that.

Most of them might be keen to go to actual competitions, where it can be checked and cheating is massively risky to even attempt.

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Fake win is not a win.
You only fooled yourself by doing cheating.
No matter it's Single player or Multi.

Winning is subjective. Saying it as an objective truth is kinda wrong. Typically when you Win something, you rarely learn anything; when you lose, there are more takeaways that can improve your play. This is paramount esp when you start playing a game for the first time. Dark souls is actually a great example of that.

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People who complain about cheating in singleplayer games are the same people that try to listen in on a strangers phone call, they just can't mind their own damn business.

Or care if a gay couple gets married or not.

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oh yeah...,you win a boss battle and killed the boss... by enabling unlimited ammo and life Cheat.

Sorry to say but NO, you did not win any boss battle. You have just faked it. Fake win is not a win. You are still a loser.

Absolutely subjective in terms of progression and looking at it from a story Element. Some people dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about the challenge and just like the idea of participating in a story.

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Cheaters suck for 2 reasons:
1) They're ruining other people's game in multiplayer, having unfair advantage and kidding themselves winners. Typical loser mentality;
2) They're achieving more than they deserve, ruining leaderboards and achievement lists, devaluing game experience (luckily, mostly for themselves - pathetic little fools who are stroking their fragile ego by pretending they're better than they are).
Screw cheaters, they're bad and they should feel bad.

I agree with 1 but not with 2 especially within context of single player.

They bought the game, they deserve --- no, actually not even remotely the correct term, they have the right to do what they want with that game. You make a lot of assumptions in 2. Your subjective Value of that game experience is just that, subjective. The fact that you assume they are cheating to stroke ego, is another assumption and it could have nothing to do with pretending at all. You can't know, because you are not them.

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You know that repeating your opinion won't magically make it the correct one, right?

It's true though. The only thing about cheating that's fun is when you beat the game legit 1st, then wanna mess around on a 2nd go around.

Very subjective soo it's not true.

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No one cares though if you cheated or not game a sp game is your business

Of course not, that's what I said in a previous reply.

I said as long as it's not MP then who cares.

Then you need to speak within that context by noting so, the context of the thread is for Single player games. Not everyone is going to connect your previous post a few pages ago with your latest post.

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I don't like speed runs, and think that hacky-runs that require extensive modifications and using glitches shouldn't 'count' toward 'speed running a game

Extensive Modification and glitching in speed running are on entirely different spectrums. Speed running has rules, there is glitchless and glitch runs etc etc, but there is no "Extensive Modification" runs. you cannot modify the game, you need to play it as programmed, but you can take advantage of the programming usually in glitch runs.

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cheaters come to forum just to justify their actions trying to seek some validation from the others. That might give them some form of satisfaction to their mind that they are doing the right thing. Otherwise i see no reason for cheaters to come to forum and admit their guilt. And if lots of people validate it, they feel happy. If NOT, then they just call the community BAD. And blame for ruining their experience.

No one is ruining their gaming experience by Just giving separate opinions.
Yes, you are still free to cheat As much as you like. LoL.

Yeah, you can't say that ( I mean, you can, but it doesn't make it true), you are not them, unless you are saying that you have cheated and came to the forums to justify cheating. --- You cannot speak for them even if you were a psychologist you would need direct evidence of A and B to come to conclusion C.

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Escrito originalmente por Splatterpult:

Yes I get it perfectly what he said.

We are the legitimate gamers. If there is anything in our "nerves", that is honesty and legitimacy.

We simply don't care what some cheaters do in their single player game. Nor we need to in the first place. And we ligit gamers did not create this thread either. It's not us who need validation from others for our actions. Just placed our opinion about it when seen.

Some people just kept dreaming.....

You also should not speak in blanket Statements. Who is "We"? I have been gaming for close to 28 years... The most Hardcore gamers I have met are total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, egotistical and think they know better because they can win at a video game.

You should avoid making statements that speak for an entire group. Because I would consider myself a legitimate gamer, and I don't want you speaking for me. I am not particularly for or against cheats in any particular circumstances in a single player or Coop environment

[Defenestration]

It's most horrible in a competitive multiplayer and just absolutely ruins the fun and hard work you put in to achieve the high ranks.

[Fatsack]

cheating in single player is fine, its up to you. Cheating in a game that has any element of competition with another player is vile garbage and honestly you should be put in a cage for doing it.

[Moogal™]

Like many said. Cheat all you want in a single player game. It is a victimless crime. In MP games tho, just don't.

[Frankie]

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cheating in single player is fine, its up to you. Cheating in a game that has any element of competition with another player is vile garbage and honestly you should be put in a cage for doing it.

Nice retro dude.

[John]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.