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The best Joker actor
We have seen countless actor there played the Joker in both movies, TV series and also a lot of different voice actor in the animated movies and series. But right now I am only looking on the movie actors and tried to figured out who is the really the best one.

Joaquin Phoenix Joker 2019
Nick Creegan Batwoman 2019
Jared Leto Suicide Squad 2016
Heath Ledger The Dark Knight 2008
Jack Nicholson Batman 1989
Cesar Romero Batman 1966

To be honest I am really like 50/50% on either Joaquin Phoenix or Heath Ledger. Both played the Joker perfectly. I never saw Batwoman, so I really don´t know Nick Creegan performance. Jared Leto as the Joker in Suicide Squad was a huge disappointment, but the little we saw of him in Justice League was really great. Jack Nicholson as the Joker was also pretty decent, I always like that long revolver sence. About Cesar Romero as the Joker, dont ask...

But who do you think there was the best Joker ?.
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Morkonan 18 Mar 2022 @ 9:14am 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Your_White_Knight:
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Diposting pertama kali oleh Affronter:
Mark Hamill

But otherwise... it's a 50/50% for me too... Heath Ledger / Cesar Romero

Yes, yes... I know... I'm old and I like "the classics" and so? : P

Edit:

Jack Nicholson was doing what Jack Nicholson does, playing Jack Nicholson playing the Joker
lol

This -> "it's a 50/50% for me too... Heath Ledger / Cesar Romero"

Though, I may place Ledger's performance as a more suitable contemporary interpretation. Just a slight bit. For dramatic performance overall, his is unquestionably the most engaging. Romero's is, however... Classic. It is suitably over-the-top for its era, too.

Mark Hammill - I haven't watched the cartoon. I have heard his interpretation and do agree it's great. But, that's a voice-actor speaking through a cartoon and it can't be directly compared to live-action performances. I think we all know Hammill is a great actor and does a fine job, so I would have no doubt he'd make a good live-action Joker. But, that's not what he's bringing to bear in a cartoon. (Voice-actors are often the unsung heroes of "acting." I love good voice-actors and they should be more appreciated. It's just a slight case of apples and oranges, here.)

Nicholson's performance was electric... He was a screen-stealer. That's what he does, because... he's Jack Flobartin' Nicholson. :) I think his performance was perfect for that movie and his role in it, though I disliked the background setup quite a bit. I would have rather it was left a mystery, but then the plot wouldn't happen, so... /shrug.

Leto - Was garbage. His method... Well, I think he just went off the deep end. Nobody is quite in agreement, AFAIK, regarding how much film was thrown away in editing. Some say forty-five minutes, some say hours worth. All due to Leto's performance/issues/unprofessional actions. (AFAIK and IMO) His unprofessional behavior as an actor, not just his interpretation and performance, was a very worrisome thing, potentially effecting the entire production and the performance of his fellow actors at their literal jobs. There is no excuse for that in any professional setting. None. Someone, somewhere, in that production did need to act to correct that, though, and I don't know that was done. If it was, then the only reason they didn't fire him was that he had a following eager to see him in that role... unfortunately.

(He was a "headliner." "The Joker" is an eyecatcher. Even with the intro of Harley, which people were looking forward too, Leto was still a huge draw. And, he got what, a few minutes of screen-time and some disconnected, nonsensical, scenes in the final release amidst all the footage that was cut? Yeah... problems.)
Devsman 18 Mar 2022 @ 9:36am 
Wait, there's no Joker in the new movie?
Diposting pertama kali oleh Morkonan:
Diposting pertama kali oleh Your_White_Knight:
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But otherwise... it's a 50/50% for me too... Heath Ledger / Cesar Romero

Yes, yes... I know... I'm old and I like "the classics" and so? : P

Edit:

Jack Nicholson was doing what Jack Nicholson does, playing Jack Nicholson playing the Joker
lol

This -> "it's a 50/50% for me too... Heath Ledger / Cesar Romero"

Though, I may place Ledger's performance as a more suitable contemporary interpretation. Just a slight bit. For dramatic performance overall, his is unquestionably the most engaging. Romero's is, however... Classic. It is suitably over-the-top for its era, too.

Mark Hammill - I haven't watched the cartoon. I have heard his interpretation and do agree it's great. But, that's a voice-actor speaking through a cartoon and it can't be directly compared to live-action performances. I think we all know Hammill is a great actor and does a fine job, so I would have no doubt he'd make a good live-action Joker. But, that's not what he's bringing to bear in a cartoon. (Voice-actors are often the unsung heroes of "acting." I love good voice-actors and they should be more appreciated. It's just a slight case of apples and oranges, here.)

Nicholson's performance was electric... He was a screen-stealer. That's what he does, because... he's Jack Flobartin' Nicholson. :) I think his performance was perfect for that movie and his role in it, though I disliked the background setup quite a bit. I would have rather it was left a mystery, but then the plot wouldn't happen, so... /shrug...

True...

The way most actors in the Batman Animated ( or video game ) soundtrack is usually the actors just sitting there doing their lines... I hear that Mark seldom if ever sits and is so animated that sometimes the animation team gets video of him for references..

Also... as someone who grew up on radio... sometimes the voice can make or break a animation or video game... if you haven't watched the "cartoons" you should... they're pretty great.

Nicholson... dose a great job at being Nicholson. I thought he was great in the movies he did... but seeing him as the Joker just made me think... well... there's Jack Nicholson.

https://youtu.be/IDwYNXEkHPg

https://youtu.be/_gBWpWwIBKw

https://youtu.be/CC8THtokVdg

I have to say... for 1,000s other actors / actresses that got typecast and faded into obscurity I take my hat off to Mark for re-inventing himself and doing such a AWESOME job at it... too cool.
Terakhir diedit oleh Your_White_Knight; 18 Mar 2022 @ 9:38am
it's love 18 Mar 2022 @ 9:37am 
tommy wiseau
Diposting pertama kali oleh Jojo:
Heath Ledger is definitely the best live action Joker we've ever had.. i found it kinda funny that actors were afraid to take the role cause Jack Nicholson did an amazing job..

without knowing Heath is going to sets the standard even higher! Joaquin did amazing but the script kinda sucked.. so I personally don't like Joaquin's Joker that much..

Jared Leto is not a bad actor, but his performance as the Joker in Suicide Squad sucks a$$. but he did alright on Snyder's Cut and nailed the "scary" Joker vibe.

But Heath is a different breed, zurely a legend!



P.S : OP referred to live action Joker, so I don't think Mark Hammil is included lol (he's amazing)
Nope. He said movie Joker. Mark Hamill is in some. Like Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker.
Green 18 Mar 2022 @ 11:18am 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:
Diposting pertama kali oleh Jojo:
Heath Ledger is definitely the best live action Joker we've ever had.. i found it kinda funny that actors were afraid to take the role cause Jack Nicholson did an amazing job..

without knowing Heath is going to sets the standard even higher! Joaquin did amazing but the script kinda sucked.. so I personally don't like Joaquin's Joker that much..

Jared Leto is not a bad actor, but his performance as the Joker in Suicide Squad sucks a$$. but he did alright on Snyder's Cut and nailed the "scary" Joker vibe.

But Heath is a different breed, zurely a legend!



P.S : OP referred to live action Joker, so I don't think Mark Hammil is included lol (he's amazing)
Nope. He said movie Joker. Mark Hamill is in some. Like Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker.
batwoman is not a movie tho..
he also didn't mention Cameron Monaghan that played "joker" in Gotham but I understand why cause Gotham's Joker isn't affiliated with the actual Joker
Heath Ledger :steamthumbsup:
L1qu1dator 18 Mar 2022 @ 11:26am 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Captain Morgan:
HEATH LEDGER, end of discussion. RIP
:steamthis:
Hamill, obviously.
The Fonze 18 Mar 2022 @ 11:55am 
For animated Hamil hands down but for live action its a toss between the OG Cesar Romero and Joaquin Phoenix. Heath is more favoured but he didnt do a good job as Joker. More as the joker if he was the crow.
Diposting pertama kali oleh evangalway2666:
Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Gentlebot:
Mark Hamill, that is the kind of Joker they need to do for the Movies. Having the Joker be silly and deadly would be an amazing combination :joker::InjusticeJoker:

Just like how he is in the Batman - Arkham games as well.

Also yes, the Jared Leto one was not only disappointing, but an insult to the character overall. There's a point in time where people need to say "be like the better material and less of your own 'artistic interpretation' of the character" when making a movie.

Kind of like the "costume" for Riddler in The Batman :batmanemblem:

You can't really compare actually actors with voice actors. Hamill is definitely the best to voice Joker, but I doubt he'd pull off the Joker well on screen.
So?
There are people out there that could be great for the character that exists in a really well made form, such as Hamills Joker. The issue with hollywood is they like to look inward, rather than find the right talent for the right part.
Morkonan 18 Mar 2022 @ 12:02pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Your_White_Knight:
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True...

The way most actors in the Batman Animated ( or video game ) soundtrack is usually the actors just sitting there doing their lines... I hear that Mark seldom if ever sits and is so animated that sometimes the animation team gets video of him for references..

I have seen some footage of him doing his voice-over and he really gets into it. It's actually wonderful to see someone pour that much into their voice-acting role. Other good voice actors do that as well, of course. But, he did display a certain level of professional intensity in the clips I've seen. Facial expressions, tensed upper body, hand movements that would amplify his performance if it was live, etc.. Really good stuff. 10/10 Pro.

Also... as someone who grew up on radio... sometimes the voice can make or break a animation or video game... if you haven't watched the "cartoons" you should... they're pretty great.

Nicholson... dose a great job at being Nicholson. I thought he was great in the movies he did... but seeing him as the Joker just made me think... well... there's Jack Nicholson.

I 100% agree. I've watched plenty of dramatic animations/cartoons and I do enjoy the ones that are done well. It's just that it's sort of a different medium and I can't demand that actors be held up to each other across mediums that don't incorporate their types of performances. The only Joker-Like Role I've seen Hammill in was in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" :) And, that was obviously some contrived satire and plenty of wall-breaking was going on.

I have to say... for 1,000s other actors / actresses that got typecast and faded into obscurity I take my hat off to Mark for re-inventing himself and doing such a AWESOME job at it... too cool.

That's one of my own sentiments - I am always very happy to see an actor, or anyone, successfully reinvent themselves or reinvigorate their own pursuit in a profession. Hammill certainly navigated his way into further stardom and gained even more fans with his voice-over work. He's successfully kept himself at the edge of the public-eye, too.

PS: Lol'd at "well... there's Jack Nicholson." Very true. He did get to go a bit over-the-top, too, though. It looked like he was enjoying his freedom. Then again, who's going to over-direct Jack Nicholson if they've hired Jack Nicholson?
Diposting pertama kali oleh The Fonze:
For animated Hamil hands down but for live action its a toss between the OG Cesar Romero and Joaquin Phoenix. Heath is more favoured but he didnt do a good job as Joker. More as the joker if he was the crow.
Heath's performance is flawless. As a Tom Watts impersonation. Do not misunderstand me. I love his version of The Clown Prince of Crime. He is weird, funny, scary, and very damn well trained in killing. And they do a great job of building the absolute mystery of the character. Part of the appeal of the character is you don't ever really know, despite all the hints and observations from him, who he really is and what made him a raging sociopath/psychopath/schizophrenic mass murderer.

I mean, you can go with he was a crappy comedian who was set up as the Red Hood. One of my fave portrayals is from The Batman as the last hero.
In my humble opinion the best Joker actors are as fallowed.

1. Joaquin Phoneix

2.Heath Ledger

3.Jack Nicholeson

4. Mark Hamil

5. Ceaser Ramero

6. Jerd Letho
Jack Nicholson & Cesar Romero was the best jokers hands down. The others was just try hards and to hammy.
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