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_S4murai_0 5 FEB 2022 a las 17:16
Lmao there is animated stalin profile photo in points shop
How the hell steam allowed this lmaooo
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❤ Sly Succubus ❤ 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:06 
Publicado originalmente por spammerz:
Publicado originalmente por Yavin Coyote ur dad best friend:

Eeeh the screen where you set up your age is exactly for that kind of situations, if you lied to it is up to you when it comes for games.

well to be fair hentai isn't much different from regular porn, the issue i think Iis how underage the characters in it look in some of them (ie what people call Loli/shota). There are some hentai/animated porn games where the characters are and look like adults

I haven't see those threads tbh

Hentai is trying to circumnavigate existing child protection laws, that needs to change.
It is 100% unacceptable not just on Steam but anywhere.

I have Steam configured so that I don't run into that material much at all. When I see it pop up in suggestions on the store page, I select the "Ignore" option, I never see it again after that.
Luckily there is not that much of it on Steam so, spend a bit of time "ignoring" stuff and it soon goes away from the Featured stores suggestions. The problem with strict censor searches is that they often block stuff indiscriminately reducing what you get access to finding that is not offensive.
Thankfully their not circumventing anything beyond the claims of people that dont know anything about anime or hentai and would rather throw the entire system in the bin then actually come to terms with what is art and what is not art.

Its 100% fine because national laws dont apply to steam beyond the United States where the company is based out of and as far as it goes the Child Protection act attempted by Clinton didnt pass, only the ESRB rating passed and within that clearly states that adult games go under the ESRB of A or A+ (A+ is so rare that it might as well not exist) but given that the ESRB exists in the first place means nothing has been bypassed. Heck the law and ranking would not exist if it was outlawed mate, at that point its up to the parents to hide the games, Steam gives you the tools but their not going to hold your hands on setting it up.

As for the political peeps on steam, well its hard to get past them. Given how many World War games exist I imagine banning the political figures would be an insanely hard task. I agree games like hentai with Hitler need to destroyed but games like say, Company of heroes would be hard to do anything about as its literally about the second world war thus would be hard to remove terms used there.

Publicado originalmente por spammerz:
Publicado originalmente por TwisterCat:
How though? They're not real characters, they don't have an age, it's impossible. You'd be out of your mind to give the role of deciding to a human, especially if there were to be legal authority with said role. Nothing can be done, as I see it. I don't like a lot of things, though they cannot be changed.

Charles Manson did not kill anybody but they still threw him in jail for the rest of his life.

The fact that it is a "cartoon" is probably the loophole that lets them circulate such material without prosecution. It still depicts minors so it cant be tolerated by any civilized society. You would have to be mentally unsound to be interested in that material. It should be removed from Steam at least.
No actually. In the United States the term that goes with cartoons of minors (I'm sure half of you know what it is) is actually classified under the taking of child porn and thus states anything resembling a minor acting in a sexual manner is outlawed regardless of what it is including art including cartoon art. The issue is that its handled at the court which can accept or deny the claim on it which in the US i've heard it go both ways so idk if there's a solid law on the cartoon side of it atm



Publicado originalmente por LiMu Emu and Doug:
Publicado originalmente por NepNepNepu!:
Porn, as in real people having sex. Hentai, Anime and games do not fall under the porn umbrella, they fall under the adult animation and/or nsfw art system.
“Porn, inappropriate or offensive content, warez or leaked content or anything else not safe for work”
https://partner.steamgames.com/steamdirect
Rules 2 and 3
Sexually explicit images of real people
Adult content that isn’t appropriately labeled and age-gated

Nice try tho
davidb11 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:13 
Publicado originalmente por LiMu Emu and Doug:
Publicado originalmente por NepNepNepu!:
Thankfully their not circumventing anything beyond the claims of people that dont know anything about anime or hentai and would rather throw the entire system in the bin then actually come to terms with what is art and what is not art.

Its 100% fine because national laws dont apply to steam beyond the United States where the company is based out of and as far as it goes the Child Protection act attempted by Clinton didnt pass, only the ESRB rating passed and within that clearly states that adult games go under the ESRB of A or A+ (A+ is so rare that it might as well not exist) but given that the ESRB exists in the first place means nothing has been bypassed. Heck the law and ranking would not exist if it was outlawed mate, at that point its up to the parents to hide the games, Steam gives you the tools but their not going to hold your hands on setting it up.

As for the political peeps on steam, well its hard to get past them. Given how many World War games exist I imagine banning the political figures would be an insanely hard task. I agree games like hentai with Hitler need to destroyed but games like say, Company of heroes would be hard to do anything about as its literally about the second world war thus would be hard to remove terms used there.


No actually. In the United States the term that goes with cartoons of minors (I'm sure half of you know what it is) is actually classified under the taking of child porn and thus states anything resembling a minor acting in a sexual manner is outlawed regardless of what it is including art including cartoon art. The issue is that its handled at the court which can accept or deny the claim on it which in the US i've heard it go both ways so idk if there's a solid law on the cartoon side of it atm




https://partner.steamgames.com/steamdirect
Rules 2 and 3
Sexually explicit images of real people
Adult content that isn’t appropriately labeled and age-gated

Nice try tho
That’s for community. My point is it’s a hypocritical thing to say when Steam is making some dollars off of things like these.

Sorry, but steam direct is literally for GAMES being released on Steam.
Not sure why you're claiming it's not.
davidb11 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:21 
What?
I'm so confused.
All I did was point out he was using the correct place to find information.
THat's all I did.

It's also not hypocritical to have rules on a forum.
The forum is different than the games on Steam.
IT makes no sense to claim otherwise.
davidb11 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:28 
Then I'm really confused what is being hypocritical here at all.
If it's not about the forum, your post about it being hypocritical makes no sense at all.
BY definition.

There is nothing else it can apply to here.
So, please, explain yourself, because it makes no sense.
davidb11 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:42 
Thank you for clarifying your point.

Community and games are different though.

You should also understand the rules make sense.
Regardless, Steam has the final say, so it doesn't matter if you don't like their ideas. :P

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Lambros 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:45 
Why does this thread get to stay open and other stuff closed for not being constructive. :dewey:
_S4murai_0 10 FEB 2022 a las 10:50 
Publicado originalmente por Lambros:
Why does this thread get to stay open and other stuff closed for not being constructive. :dewey:
I really dont know lol.
davidb11 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:03 
For once, we agree on something.
spammerz 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:21 
Publicado originalmente por LiMu Emu and Doug:
Publicado originalmente por NepNepNepu!:
Given how many World War games exist I imagine banning the political figures would be an insanely hard task. I agree games like hentai with Hitler need to destroyed but games like say, Company of heroes would be hard to do anything about as its literally about the second world war thus would be hard to remove terms used there.

If you look at German law, and most other Western nations, a vast amount of games (and even 3d model kits) have to edit out swastikas for legal reasons. There are many war computer games that you will not see any symbols used by the Nazis regarding flags or vehicle decals etc. You may still get an Iron Cross but look at the ships, huge red square, big empty white circle in the centre, no swastika or iron cross in the centre. The Eagle emblem is often missing too. Even online player, or forum, names will outright reject "Hitler" as user names. I'm actually surprised you can use it on Steam without censorship.

It is possible for them to clean up Steam, it would require some effort granted but, algorithms can do that to a large extent now. Then you rely on other user members reporting violations of the policy.
Última edición por spammerz; 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:33
spammerz 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:30 
Publicado originalmente por Lambros:
Why does this thread get to stay open and other stuff closed for not being constructive. :dewey:

People will stop using a service if they keep getting harassed by Mod's, dictated to, heavily restricted regarding allowed content, censored and banned for no good reason.
The site loses the subscription, advertising revenue will go elsewhere, they lose the income from the customers.

People are making valid points that are on topic here.
spammerz 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:31 
Publicado originalmente por LiMu Emu and Doug:
You broke the quotes lol
Ooops lol, my bad. I will try to fix that error. Thanks for the heads up.

I forgot a 2nd (/quote), fixed now.
Última edición por spammerz; 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:35
❤ Sly Succubus ❤ 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:36 
Publicado originalmente por spammerz:
Publicado originalmente por LiMu Emu and Doug:

If you look at German law, and most other Western nations, a vast amount of games (and even 3d model kits) have to edit out swastikas for legal reasons. There are many war computer games that you will not see any symbols used by the Nazis regarding flags or vehicle decals etc. You may still get an Iron Cross but look at the ships, huge red square, big empty white circle in the centre, no swastika or iron cross in the centre. The Eagle emblem is often missing too. Even online player, or forum, names will outright reject "Hitler" as user names. I'm actually surprised you can use it on Steam without censorship.

It is possible for them to clean up Steam, it would require some effort granted but, algorithms can do that to a large extent now. Then you rely on other user members reporting violations of the policy.
You'd normally be correct however steam already warned you when signing up for their platform that the only law that has any sway over their platform is the state of California and henceforth the United States

10. APPLICABLE LAW/MEDIATION/JURISDICTION/ATTORNEYS’ FEES

For All Customers Outside the European Union:

You and Valve agree that this Agreement shall be deemed to have been made and executed in the State of Washington, U.S.A., and Washington law, excluding conflict of laws principles and the Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods, governs all claims arising out of or relating to: (i) any aspect of the relationship between us; (ii) this Agreement; or (iii) your use of Steam, your Account or the Content and Services; except that the U.S. Federal Arbitration Act governs arbitration as far as your country’s laws permit. Subject to Section 11 (Dispute Resolution/Binding Arbitration/Class Action Waiver) below, you and Valve agree that any claim asserted in any legal proceeding shall be commenced and maintained exclusively in any state or federal court located in King County, Washington, having subject matter jurisdiction. You and Valve hereby consent to the exclusive jurisdiction of such courts. In any dispute arising out of or relating to this Agreement, your use of Steam, your account, or the Content and Services, the prevailing party will be entitled to attorneys’ fees and expenses (except arbitration -- see Section 11.C.)

For EU Customers:

In the event of a dispute relating to the interpretation, the performance or the validity of the Subscriber Agreement, an amicable solution will be sought before any legal action. You can file your complaint at http://help.steampowered.com. In case of failure, you may, within one year of the failed request, have recourse to an Alternative Dispute Resolution procedure by filing an online complaint on the European Commission’s Online Dispute Resolution website: https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/odr/main/index.cfm?event=main.home.chooseLanguage.

In the event that out-of-court dispute resolutions fail, the dispute may be brought before the competent courts.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#10




So as far as it goes Steam literally outright told you that before signing up that as far as things goes, on here you abide by the laws of the State of California and on those of the United States unless stated under the clause of the EU note.

--Edit--

Basically to make it understandable unless the game makers are directly located in Germany itself, they hold no sway over what people put on steam.

For example the game Sex with Hitler is made by Romantic Room games which seems to be a Russian-based independent game development group which means as far as laws go the laws they are subject to are those of the Federation of Russia and the United States clauses stated in the agreement, Germany's laws hold no water in this case
Última edición por ❤ Sly Succubus ❤; 10 FEB 2022 a las 11:51
_S4murai_0 10 FEB 2022 a las 12:07 
pain.
❤ Sly Succubus ❤ 10 FEB 2022 a las 12:10 
Publicado originalmente por Certified Jester:
pain.
#Shrug
I'll drop the subject then on my end, simply because I dont want to spark a new wildfire at this point, I'll see myself out
spammerz 10 FEB 2022 a las 12:24 
Publicado originalmente por NepNepNepu!:
Publicado originalmente por Certified Jester:
pain.
#Shrug
I'll drop the subject then on my end, simply because I dont want to spark a new wildfire at this point, I'll see myself out

Californian law is not international law. If you are in the States and you ship something to a State where that product is illegal, you will be prosecuted, even face jail time.
If you create something that breaks German laws and ship it to Germany, you will be prosecuted no matter what nation you reside.
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