which martial art is the strongest in a streetfight?

[tonni]

i am going to have to say aikido.

[Feds are in the bread]

Gun

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Let us back track a little bit here.
First what are you talking about?

And do you know of anything of Seagal's background?

Thirdly, that kind of talk is just silly.

seagal is stront aikdo master

well, he's a third degree black belt. and the modern aikido federation doesn't really test skill after second degree or so. it's mostly about maintaining the brand and supporting the organization's hierarchy. (as opposed to aiki-jiujitsu, which has two ranks (not done yet and done enough) and isn't taught openly, nor was it taught to segal.)

so he's kind of average, but he put the time and effort in.

is there any legitimate explanation for his production crew using stuntmen to attack him after hours? or for the, say, somewhat egotistical stuntman lead viewing segal as a passing celebrity who isn't 'in it' for the stunts and picked a fight on set? Then this attack happened like a week later, and the attacker literally used the move they were arguing about in the fight. Like when Bruce Lee's stuntman picks a fight with Brad Pitt's in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

You might be surprised how egotistical stuntment can be!

Or did segal mastermind his own attack for ego reasons and just made up the details or something, which there's no evidence for either way?

Maybe russian film interests were so mad he spied on their secret sambo clubs that they engineered this attack in such a way as to create on-set conflict, as they have been caught doing many times before. (they're kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid so they never learned not to do it.)

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it's better to definitively know when someone is reaching for their gun. wits and knowhow are going to do you better in a streetfight than anything else will.

thus why it's important to know how to say hello politely, to both discourage a fight and also to put the opponent into a false sense of security. maybe they'll even play along, overplay their hand, cut the joke and tell you it's a fight, handing you the initiative.

'yo,' ga.

also comes in handy when you're explaining why your registered bullet is in somebody's corpse to the cops.

[Hobbit XIII]

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seagal is stront aikdo master

well, he's a third degree black belt. and the modern aikido federation doesn't really test skill after second degree or so. it's mostly about maintaining the brand and supporting the organization's hierarchy. (as opposed to aiki-jiujitsu, which has two ranks (not done yet and done enough) and isn't taught openly, nor was it taught to segal.)

so he's kind of average, but he put the time and effort in.

is there any legitimate explanation for his production crew using stuntmen to attack him after hours? or for the, say, somewhat egotistical stuntman lead viewing segal as a passing celebrity who isn't 'in it' for the stunts and picked a fight? Like when Bruce Lee's stuntman picks a fight with Brad Pitt's in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

You might be surprised how egotistical stuntment can be!

By his general demeanour stuntmen may have a crack at him (and I have not researched this) because he is a pompous ass.
Stuntmen come from all walks like Tom Cruise used to get a 'bollocking' from one stuntman for attempting to do stunts on Mission Impossible I think it toughened Tome Cruise up a bit.
The stuntman's older brother was a stuntman too but also a former boxer who landed Van Damme on his back.

"If" Seagal is going around trying to give it bit of the 'look at me' which is how he comes across I can see people wanting to have a swing at him.

There is also the possibility he pissed off some his gangster type buddies or a rival of theirs too.
Some money was used to launder in his movies - according to some documentary i watched about him some time ago.

In speaking up for the stuntmen, why would they want to fight a guy for no reason at all because if he is a main actor then surely that could affect their own employment?

Possibly he may have been sloppy in some fight scenes and didn't care if he hit somebody bit too hard.

just speculating off top my head while getting drunk and watching a film.

[permanent name]

but if you haven't researched it then you don't know. you may as well just be making stuff up.

again, what you're suggesting points to russia. they're the ones with the means to do this stuff, and they'd be who his 'criminal buddies' are. given his background.

stuntment tend to think of themselves as special, similar to directors. or just about anyone in hollywood. idk, it seems strange they knew the same moves and did the one argued about. seems a convenient, harmless position for russian agents to be in.

doesn't really matter though, does it?

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but if you haven't researched it then you don't know. you may as well just be making stuff up.

again, what you're suggesting points to russia. they're the ones with the means to do this stuff, and they'd be who his 'criminal buddies' are. given his background.

stuntment tend to think of themselves as special, similar to directors. or just about anyone in hollywood. idk, it seems strange they knew the same moves and did the one argued about. seems a convenient, harmless position for russian agents to be in.

doesn't really matter though, does it?

The stuff I have nto researched was the specifics of Him being attacked by stuntmen at the time of posting and was speculating.

This is me after one minute of research now :

https://dailycaller.com/2022/04/15/john-leguizamo-incident-steven-seagal-stuntmen/

John Leguizamo slammed Steven Seagal’s on-set actions by describing a bullying moment between the veteran actor and a stuntman during the 1996 filming of “Executive Decision.”

Tensions ran high on the movie set after Seagal allegedly bullied a number of stuntmen on set, according to the New York Post. One of the most respected stuntmen in Hollywood, Gene LeBell, attempted to deescalate the situation by telling Seagal to stop, ultimately putting him in a chokehold, reported the outlet.

When asked about his time on set, Leguizamo said, “I did not have a good time with Steven Seagal,” and went on to say “No one has,” according to the New York Post. He then went on to describe a situation in which Seagal allegedly entered the set and attempted to dominate the environment with his celebrity status.

Leguizamo recalled the details of that incident and said Seagal, “kept hitting the stuntmen on purpose,” then went on to describe how LeBell attempted to diffuse the situation. “Gene said, ‘Don’t do that to my boys because they can’t hit you back, it’s not fair,'” according to the New York Post. Seagal reportedly did not back down. He continued the behavior and hit the stuntmen once more.

“So he did it again and Gene put him in a chokehold and said, ‘You ever do that, I’m going to choke you to death,'” said Leguizamo. He went on to reveal that Seagal “never did it again,” according to the outlet.

This was not the first time Leguizamo has spoken out about Seagal’s treatment of others on set. He previously revealed another incident on the set of “Executive Decision” during which Seagal announced, “I’m in command. What I say is law,” according to Grunge. Leguizamo laughed at the comment, then Seagal allegedly came at him. “He slammed me with an aikido elbow against a brick wall and knocked all the air out of me. I dropped to the ground, and all I could say was, (gasping) ‘Why? Why?'” Leguizamo said, according to Grunge.

You got any idea how hard it is to copy and paste drunk?

[permanent name]

no it's pretty easy, but I'll do you the favor of not reading it.

Leguizamo was exiled to kazahkstan before being sent to the us. apparently the khazaks thought he was a sociopath and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and unfit to serve coffee.

apparently he was exiled because he accepted mafia money to hurt someone in a sambo match? like a friendly sparring match. segal got the same offer before they sent him away, but he refused.

Leguizamo was jealous that segal 'got away' with crossing the sambo clubs, and he got punished for trying to permanently cripple someone. y'know after he was already on the outs, and knew he was.

it's just more wuxia ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I hired Leguizamo for a movie set once. because we wanted to know what the story was. he started doing the same stuff on my set, so I looked him in the eye and told him if he ever came back I'd smack him in the face with my director's chair. I dunno if he heard the threat, because he shat himself and went unconscious after I started speaking. I have a habit of doing that to people. just wanted to see if he'd set up an ambush if I hurt his pride a little bit, but I didn't even have to push him around. he was a ♥♥♥♥ right off the bat, too good for my 'noname set,' when he 'had all the connections for the best sets,' and wouldn't say who or what was giving him those connections or why the internal system thought he was a b-list stuntman. "look, see, the list clearly shows you're meant to get b-movie work. might explain why you're working with segal so much. see? here he is, B+. used to be an a or an a-, but you know how politics are. personally I think he's more of a b-, like you, given the sets they've been putting him on lately. see? official SAG-AFTRA paperwork." I don't think he did ambush me, but there were a couple times I thought someone was following me and could smell his poop again. but maybe I was imagining it. maybe it was some other poop-pants egoist in a balaclava.

segal lost political favor because he wanted to remain neutral in the cold war.

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no it's pretty easy, but I'll do you the favor of not reading it.

Leguizamo was exiled to kazahkstan before being sent to the us. apparently the khazaks thought he was a sociopath and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and unfit to serve coffee.

apparently he was exiled because he accepted mafia money to hurt someone in a sambo match? like a friendly sparring match. segal got the same offer before they sent him away, but he refused.

Leguizamo was jealous that segal 'got away' with crossing the sambo clubs, and he got punished for trying to permanently cripple someone. y'know after he was already on the outs, and knew he was.

it's just more wuxia ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I hired Leguizamo for a movie set once. because we wanted to know what the story was. he started doing the same stuff on my set, so I looked him in the eye and told him if he ever came back I'd smack him in the face with my director's chair. I dunno if he heard the threat, because he shat himself and went unconscious after I started speaking. I have a habit of doing that to people. just wanted to see if he'd set up an ambush if I hurt his pride a little bit, but I didn't even have to push him around. he was a ♥♥♥♥ right off the bat, too good for my 'noname set,' when he 'had all the connections for the best sets,' and wouldn't say who or what was giving him those connections or why the internal system thought he was a b-list stuntman. "look, see, the list clearly shows you're meant to get b-movie work. might explain why you're working with segal so much. see? here he is, B+. used to be an a or an a-, but you know how politics are. personally I think he's more of a b-, like you, given the sets they've been putting him on lately. see? official SAG-AFTRA paperwork." I don't think he did ambush me, but there were a couple times I thought someone was following me and could smell his poop again. but maybe I was imagining it. maybe it was some other poop-pants egoist in a balaclava.

is this during the time of you at Vietnam serving with your daughter too?
I'll just put you on block from now on. Again.

[permanent name]

no dude segal career wasn't until long after vietnam. i only served like a year or two anyway.

again though, he was a victim of 80s red scareism. simply because he wouldn't publicly denounce russia.

then russia sent this butt-fly to harass him. isn't that nuts? like that's not the actions of a sane, rational political body. it's what an insane robot does because it doesn't know how to get what it wants.

kind of like legumeghoulash picking fights over sambo pride when he's supposed to be a spy or something. and he keeps getting his ass kicked, and he can't help but keep doing it.

so he turns around and ratfinks himself, and russia cuts him off, and he stops getting work.

freaking van damme got into a fight with legume. he kept demanding they have a sparring match, so van damme eventually just goes 'well okay, i'll throw the punch okay?' and legume goes 'okay!' and waits for it, and he just nails him in the face. legume's so stunned he just stands there for a while, then goes 'ow!' and tried to act like van damme started it.

but there's video of this whole interaction happening.

[permanent name]

alright, my drugs are kicking in and my nightmares are receeding.

I think the big takeaway from the legume saga is that it isn't really your skills that matter after a point. it's your integrity. that's why sambo is allowed to exist outside of the russian government, as a haven. it grants the governing body legitimacy. some of that integrity 'rubs off on them.' most budo and martial artists are the same elsewhere, even shaolin during the height of its bandit years. it provided a legitimacy and safety the government and gangs could not, and it's important for the country to think about that duality moving forwards.

anyway, personal integrity is also at the core of yoga :p

[Holding These Alligators Down]

Walking away and getting a cab.

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Walking away and getting a cab.

There are a lot of setups that involve leaving a cab parked nearby for this. Often if you make the cabbie in the setup they'll follow you, maybe even try to run you down.

Strongly encourage everyone to learn how to attack a car barehanded. If you land squarely over the hood, on the engine, you can channel the force into it and cause a stall. Maybe even displace air out of the carborator at the same time. Send a pulse up the hybrid battery, tip the failsafes, force a restart. Blow a hose. Kinda depends on the engine. Probably no belt slip though, that's a pretty advanced technique that needs to be done from the front-side with a semi-penetrating kick of some kind. An up an down waveform so that the belt slips, but a straight vector for the main force. Hard to do from the front or top, regular human bodies don't usually have the articulation for it.

After that you can stomp to exacerbate the damage and alternate with the windshield and/or them.

I've broken car axles by bouncing force between the engine block and the frame, or the windsheild, using my legs as springs to bounce and magnify the force. Eventually something gives, and I'm the moving part so it's not going to be me. Or, well, it will be, y'know?

Many rooves cannot withstand a flying stomp, even if it's just from the hood. This isn't something to be done lightly though, please examine crush impact roof victims' bodies and consdier the moral weight of your literal weight. Some cars also use shear crumple rooves that could cut your ankles if you attempt this; know your opponent's weapon!

Also don't attack a moving vehicle unless you definitely know what you're doing, and expect to get hurt doing it.

Given that the two most likely (and problematic) attacks from moving vehicles come from cycles and high trucks, both of which resemble cavalry, Taekwondo is a readily available art designed for defending oneself from similar attackers. I don't think it commonly teaches force manipulation though, it's mostly single-contact and lever kicking with penetration and contact lengthning techniques. It's also maybe not necessarily prepping you for getting your leg caught in a truck window and having to hang on, or fall down.

There are other Korean arts with similar foundations that do teach these things though. Maybe not in your area.

[tonni]

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seagal is stront aikdo master

well, he's a third degree black belt. and the modern aikido federation doesn't really test skill after second degree or so. it's mostly about maintaining the brand and supporting the organization's hierarchy. (as opposed to aiki-jiujitsu, which has two ranks (not done yet and done enough) and isn't taught openly, nor was it taught to segal.)

so he's kind of average, but he put the time and effort in.

is there any legitimate explanation for his production crew using stuntmen to attack him after hours? or for the, say, somewhat egotistical stuntman lead viewing segal as a passing celebrity who isn't 'in it' for the stunts and picked a fight on set? Then this attack happened like a week later, and the attacker literally used the move they were arguing about in the fight. Like when Bruce Lee's stuntman picks a fight with Brad Pitt's in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

You might be surprised how egotistical stuntment can be!

Or did segal mastermind his own attack for ego reasons and just made up the details or something, which there's no evidence for either way?

Maybe russian film interests were so mad he spied on their secret sambo clubs that they engineered this attack in such a way as to create on-set conflict, as they have been caught doing many times before. (they're kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid so they never learned not to do it.)

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Gun

it's better to definitively know when someone is reaching for their gun. wits and knowhow are going to do you better in a streetfight than anything else will.

thus why it's important to know how to say hello politely, to both discourage a fight and also to put the opponent into a false sense of security. maybe they'll even play along, overplay their hand, cut the joke and tell you it's a fight, handing you the initiative.

'yo,' ga.

also comes in handy when you're explaining why your registered bullet is in somebody's corpse to the cops.

sorry i have nevr heard of seagal being attack by stunt man? can u link 2 the news paper?

just my “”””2 cents”””” but stunt man attack the actor is bad idea if actor is aikido master of fighting