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76561198278961361 29 OCT 2021 a las 8:43 a. m.
does anyone else get unnerved when people talk in terms of "males" and "females"?
i get it in contexts like medicine, or talking about groups of animals
but going around calling people "females"? referring to someone as a "male"? in an everyday context?

i dunno if it's because of incel communities using the term disrespectfully like they say "femoids", or because of some people's obsession with chromosomes, but something about it waves a massive red flag for me


i should clarify, it's not that big a deal
just something that really weirds me out, and i wanna know if i'm the only one
Última edición por brisket <3 (she/her); 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:35 a. m.
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yeah language doesnt mean anything in reality (outside our collective human society anyway), there are no words or audible sounds to be offended by unless you like acting and playing the game
not really offended, just really weirded out, given that it's unusual to hear them used on the daily for mundane topics, and they're most used in these contexts by people like that

not to say using those terms immediately makes you an incel, or obsessed with chromosomes, but it can easily raise an eyebrow, much like it'd raise an eyebrow if you referred to people as, idk, "organ vessels"
I agree with the meatbag
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VEWDU 29 OCT 2021 a las 8:42 p. m. 
What kind of post is this? Smh
Gus the Crocodile 29 OCT 2021 a las 8:44 p. m. 
It’s usually men who for some reason can’t bring themselves to use the word “women”. Bit of a red flag, yeah. Weirdly clinical.

Publicado originalmente por Miss Ann Thrope:
People sometimes have a habit of reading too much into words and taking offence when none was intended.
Intentions aren’t magic. Not intending to do something doesn’t mean you didn’t do it. We are responsible for our actions, not just our intentions.
Última edición por Gus the Crocodile; 29 OCT 2021 a las 8:48 p. m.
Eat3n 29 OCT 2021 a las 8:46 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por 𝕎𝔸𝕃𝕋𝔼ℝ:
I study biology so nah. I only see female and male.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Nomad 29 OCT 2021 a las 8:47 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:
It’s usually men who for some reason can’t bring themselves to use the word “women”. Bit of a red flag, yeah. Weirdly clinical.
I've never heard of that. Did you just make that up?
VEWDU 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:00 p. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:
It’s usually men who for some reason can’t bring themselves to use the word “women”. Bit of a red flag, yeah. Weirdly clinical.
I've never heard of that. Did you just make that up?


They probably did tbh :)
Kris 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:07 p. m. 
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I've never heard of that. Did you just make that up?


They probably did tbh :)

Not really. Look at any discussion with MGTOW (like the subreddit, for example). It's very common for that particular group to almost exclusively refer to women as either "females" or even "femoids". It can definitely be a red flag, depending on context. That said, I don't usually mind it because I don't think most people have bad intentions. Additionally, the people who use it negatively aren't the type of people I'd want to talk to anyway, so that doesn't affect me.
saranacX 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:33 p. m. 
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I've never heard of that. Did you just make that up?


They probably did tbh :)
I think it's just that most people don't dwell in these weird internet subcultures as much as some do.

I hadn't heard the term "femoid" until today. :awkward:
Your_White_Knight 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:35 p. m. 
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They probably did tbh :)
I think it's just that most people don't dwell in these weird internet subcultures as much as some do.

I hadn't heard the term "femoid" until today. :awkward:

Exactly.... there's a few out there that think everything internet affects or is part of the real world...

it doesn't... and It's not.
Última edición por Your_White_Knight; 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:38 p. m.
VEWDU 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:51 p. m. 
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They probably did tbh :)

Not really. Look at any discussion with MGTOW (like the subreddit, for example). It's very common for that particular group to almost exclusively refer to women as either "females" or even "femoids". It can definitely be a red flag, depending on context. That said, I don't usually mind it because I don't think most people have bad intentions. Additionally, the people who use it negatively aren't the type of people I'd want to talk to anyway, so that doesn't affect me.


Only read half of this but yeah.
Gus the Crocodile 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:53 p. m. 
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Exactly.... there's a few out there that think everything internet affects or is part of the real world...

it doesn't... and It's not.
For better or worse, the internet is definitely part of the real world. What else would it be? Imaginary?
𝕎𝔸𝕃𝕋𝔼ℝ 29 OCT 2021 a las 9:54 p. m. 
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They probably did tbh :)
I think it's just that most people don't dwell in these weird internet subcultures as much as some do.

I hadn't heard the term "femoid" until today. :awkward:
It's evolution of language bro. 4channers are considered linguists now.
󠀡󠀡 29 OCT 2021 a las 10:11 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por stupid(t)=e^t:
going around calling people "females"? referring to someone as a "male"? in an everyday context?
If you use it in such a context then I've course it's going to be very bizarre as it would be particularly strange to refer to it in such a way. I wouldn't say that it invalidates me as an individual whenever people talk of the biological sexes, however, it's really just a matter of (scientific) fact of statement more then anything else.
Publicado originalmente por stupid(t)=e^t:
i dunno if it's because of incel communities using the term disrespectfully like they say "femoids"
I am very much in agreement that to refer to the woman as "femoid" as I find it to be heavily degenerate & repulsive as a terminology to be used within serious context.
Publicado originalmente por 𝕎𝔸𝕃𝕋𝔼ℝ:
t's evolution of language bro. 4channers are considered linguists now.
So that makes places like Reddit the exception of linguistics? Language or slang can be naturally developed and popularised without the involvement of a particular person of an "authoritative" academia (which is what you seem to be suggesting).
Última edición por 󠀡󠀡; 30 OCT 2021 a las 2:02 a. m.
󠀡󠀡 29 OCT 2021 a las 11:05 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por 𝕎𝔸𝕃𝕋𝔼ℝ:
It can, never denied that, but then again if those particular group start using technical terms as an insult then its better to ignore them rather than calling it "evolution of language", because that doesn't fix anything.
There's nothing within the English vocabulary that needs to be "fixed" (censored) just for the sake of "fixing" any mild irritations caused by individuals whom are of a disagreement for their own various reasons.

I would never be in the defence of individuals who think that their emotions warrants them the right to censorship for the Orwellian concept for the "greater protection of all". All criticisms regarding language should be confronted with the use of rationality rather then that of censorship as censorship is the losers game of "winning" when it's forced upon everyone.

Language is constantly both evolving & devolving ("developing"). I wouldn't consider language to have an "evolutionary" aspect as that is such a nonsensical concept that has nothing to deal with spoken language. Evolution refers to natural selection and its evolution of genetics. Language is a development as its vocabulary is expanded, not so-called "evolved" like that of genes. That's not how vocabulary operates and such a concept in itself that vocabulary is "evolutionary" is utterly inane & mind-boggling to even hear about being referred to as such in the first place.
Última edición por 󠀡󠀡; 29 OCT 2021 a las 11:18 p. m.
Gus the Crocodile 29 OCT 2021 a las 11:51 p. m. 
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Language is constantly both evolving & devolving ("developing"). I wouldn't consider language to have an "evolutionary" aspect as that is such a nonsensical concept that has nothing to deal with spoken language. Evolution refers to natural selection and its evolution of genetics. Language is a development as its vocabulary is expanded, not so-called "evolved" like that of genes. That's not how vocabulary operates and such a concept in itself that vocabulary is "evolutionary" is utterly inane & mind-boggling to even hear about being referred to as such in the first place.
Whereas I think it's an entirely reasonable figurative description. In simple terms, evolution occurs through mutation, where existing patterns change, and through natural selection, where unsuccessful patterns don't survive. Both of those concepts apply just fine to words.
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 30 OCT 2021 a las 12:52 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por stupid(t)=e^t:
does anyone else get unnerved when people talk in terms of "males" and "females"?

Publicado originalmente por stupid(t)=e^t:
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and even then most people don't use the terms that much outside of these contexts; they use words like "men" and "women"
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That's not appropriate, or linguistically accurate, when the age-range being discussed includes unknowns who may be below the age of 18 or above the age of 18, or alternatively, when the age-range being discussed includes identified people who ARE above the age of 18 but ALSO identified people who ARE below the age of 18.

"Males" covers both over & under 18... & "females" covers both over and under 18 as well...

We could probably just say "people" instead, which seems far more suitable but many aspects of society are separated into distinct "men's" & "women's" groups (oh, but I don't want to forget the children - "male's" & "female's" groups).

While it would be most inclusive to just say "people", there are also other issues of confusion in language that crop up with just using "people" for everything (one of which being that organizations like "women's shelters" are not named "people's shelters" and are also probably going to call the police if any men show up at their secret safe-houses).

...in fact, because "male" & "female" is inclusive to all ages, many people get in the habit of just using them in place of "man" or "boy", & "woman" or "girl".
That's only 2 words you have to call upon now, instead of 4.


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Hmm i guess i dont care about peoples usage of language, but i understand why others would

It's a bad time / generation to be a linguist in any country other than those that only have gender-neutral pronouns.


Pronouns suck, in-general, though, because people often need to reference multiple items at once or will use ambiguous "they"s to refer to a group of 3 people in the same sentence that they refer to some administration & expect you to know which group that... said person... was referring to - when... said person... said "they".

When it comes to groupings that don't have a name, it's best to just invent some on-the-fly definitions "Okay, we'll call Wendy, Sarah, and Kay, Group A, & Joe, Frederick, and Robert, Group B. I don't want to have to say all 3 names every time but using they for both groups could get massively confusing."


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Publicado originalmente por 𝕎𝔸𝕃𝕋𝔼ℝ:
t's evolution of language bro. 4channers are considered linguists now.
So that makes places like Reddit the exception of linguistics? Language or slang can be naturally developed and popularised without the involvement of a particular person of an "authoritative" academia (which is what you seem to be suggesting). To make such an argument also makes you a hypocrite because you're referring to them as "4channers" (lol) which is certainly not an official word within the Oxford dictionary.

Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense (not).

Considering that language is very mutable with suffixes & then there's descriptivism, which is about real-world applications instead of grammatical accuracy, which runs in stark contrast to prescriptivism, there's nothing hypocritical about acknowledging how language is actually used, or, in other words, being descriptivist.

The prescriptivist in you says he made up a term that is invalid but the descriptivist in you more likely than not... should know, well, what he is talking about [due to the fact that said "made up word" is formed from pre-existing terms that ARE valid].


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