People who say "height doesn't matter"

[Daxank]

In straight relationships are clearly delusional.

Go on, go outside and look at other people, you'll be lucky if you can find 1 couple with a smaller guy out of 20 couples


Edit: ♥♥♥♥ yeah, free points

[sotaponi]

Nguyên văn bởi Morkonan:

Remember lessons about colorful male plumage in birds? That's not because it scares away predators or helps with any other survival-to-sexual-maturity factor. It attracts the females... And, which came first? The colorful plumage or the female interest in them? RNG, 'cause they can't use Tinder.

Nguyên văn bởi Rock Head:

Anyway, I think both men and women do hold physical attributes very highly for relationships (not friendships). It's basic biology, as seen by animals. The female bird picks the male bird with the nicest feathers.

From a purely materialistic perspective, it'd be pretty bold to assume agency in the female, assigning to it the ability of "picking," when the male can just take it, or is doing exactly that in form of feathers. Especially if everything is supposed to be "hard-wired," as many people even ITT like to call it. But then this is generally physicalism or pure materialism, stating that the female (here analogous to spacetime/gravity/the mind/an IDE, I guess) has no agency or doesn't even exist.

(I.e.: Surely there'd be no point for potentially dualistic gravity and curvature to exist when you could just as well have nothing but matter or magnetism. Ideas such as time would be irrelevant, as magnetism type of bosonic forces would be perfectly sufficient in order to have male and female interact in whatever chaotic and non-causal fashion.)

Of course then there is also the uncertainty principle and phenomena such as the quantum eraser, which show that the female (the mind), or this potentially giving rise to the female (spacetime/gravity) and related ideas (time), does have theoretical agency beyond "pure(ly materialistic) biology."

Then dualists such as Descartes, for example, believed that animals are sentient, but do not have any kind of moral agency. And while YMMV on that, I don't think people should subscribe to these types of behaviour dogmatically or declare them necessarily "hard wired," but rather question on a metaphysical level why these idealizations exist. And to what degree metaphysical agency already influences the "physical" reality we can currently observe, if it does. (Read: There might be no pure biology as such, nor has there ever been. Doesn't make the current reality ideal, either, of course.)

Anyway... first came whoever set up the universal IDE and entered new to-be-particle matter during the big bang. Meaning neither male nor female. Or both. Or more.

...

Else, more directly on topic: I don't know. I'm average sized and haven't had any problems with women yet. They by and large leave me alone.

[Messy]

Im tall and dont plan on dating, wouldnt mind selling someone my height

[Dracoco OwO]

Nguyên văn bởi Grim R333per:

Nguyên văn bởi 🎃Daxank🎃:

Ah insults, trying to get my thread locked?
Contribute constructively or move on if you have nothing else to do

how does one even contribute constructively to this lol?

The best way to contribute is to not contribute actually here.

Nguyên văn bởi Eh:

Nguyên văn bởi ugafan:

The average height for a woman is 5'4.

3.6 percent of men are 5'4 or shorter.

So the average woman has 96 out of 100 other men to choose from that are taller than her.

Which means that if we look at it from a purely mathematical perspective, and without bias, the probability is low that she would choose a man shorter than her.

But the reality is that most women do have a preference for taller men. That makes the odds even more stacked against shorter men.

Being as you can't change your height, I would say the logical thing would be to try to improve other things you do have control over.

You can change your height. Ever heard of a limb lengthening surgery? It's being successfully performed in Russia, Turkey and USA. But though it's still not majorly advanced.

Probably not worth the trouble.

[Xero_Daxter]

Fun fact for you... I actually went to a dance with a girl taller than me. But then again she does like subs and dominating.

[Jonathan Sensei]

Honestly whenever I see random couples out in the wilds of society I think, "good for them". I wouldn't date a women (or a man) who's too focused on things like that anyways.

[Dracoco OwO]

Nguyên văn bởi Sherlock:

Women are, for the most part, going to want a taller guy. Taller men are stronger biologically(sorry) and that can make them feel comfortable, as well as other things. This isn't all they look for either though. How you present yourself is big actually. Wearing clean clothes, being friendly and confident, etc. Also, there's nothing wrong at all with having a friend that is female that isn't a romantic interest. The last time I checked, "friends" wasn't gender exclusive.

It really seems like you and some others here believe women to be completely superficial. While it can seem that way to a lonely guy who wants something, it's not really true at all. You should re-evaluate your thoughts.

I am smaller than the average male but my strenght lies somewhere else...if you catch my drift. ;p

[Jonathan Sensei]

Nguyên văn bởi Dracoco OwO:

Nguyên văn bởi Sherlock:

Women are, for the most part, going to want a taller guy. Taller men are stronger biologically(sorry) and that can make them feel comfortable, as well as other things. This isn't all they look for either though. How you present yourself is big actually. Wearing clean clothes, being friendly and confident, etc. Also, there's nothing wrong at all with having a friend that is female that isn't a romantic interest. The last time I checked, "friends" wasn't gender exclusive.

It really seems like you and some others here believe women to be completely superficial. While it can seem that way to a lonely guy who wants something, it's not really true at all. You should re-evaluate your thoughts.

I am smaller than the average male but my strenght lies somewhere else...if you catch my drift. ;p

You're short but it's not your feet holding you up huh?

[saranacX]

Nguyên văn bởi Dracoco OwO:

Nguyên văn bởi Sherlock:

Women are, for the most part, going to want a taller guy. Taller men are stronger biologically(sorry) and that can make them feel comfortable, as well as other things. This isn't all they look for either though. How you present yourself is big actually. Wearing clean clothes, being friendly and confident, etc. Also, there's nothing wrong at all with having a friend that is female that isn't a romantic interest. The last time I checked, "friends" wasn't gender exclusive.

It really seems like you and some others here believe women to be completely superficial. While it can seem that way to a lonely guy who wants something, it's not really true at all. You should re-evaluate your thoughts.

I am smaller than the average male but my strenght lies somewhere else...if you catch my drift. ;p

There's more air down there. Greater oxygen supply.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

(I know you had other points that aren't in-line with this bias but this is the part that I wanted to address & add onto) :

Nguyên văn bởi Sherlock:

... Taller men are stronger biologically(sorry) and that can make them feel comfortable, as well as other things. ...

They're so strong biologically that they'll statistically die around 5 to 10 years sooner.

https://www.google.com/search?q=height's+effect+on+life+expectancy

https://www.google.com/search?q=Can+being+tall+decrease+your+lifespan%3F

"Can being tall decrease your lifespan?
Men of height 175.3 cm or less lived an average of 4.95 years longer than those of height over 175.3 cm, while men of height 170.2 cm or less lived 7.46 years longer than those of at least 182.9 cm."

Don't women usually prefer older men too?
And statistically, women live a few years longer than men on average too.

Wow, all that is going to add up to a lot of widow time... during which they'll have no strong protector by their side, unless they found another man in their old age or have a very devoted son (but maybe their son actually turns out to be short & disabled instead).


As a preference of sexual attraction, it's totally fine & understandable, but the concept / belief that they'll just be "stronger", "more protective", and "more stable" as a result, is hilariously askew.

[trousers]

Nguyên văn bởi 👻 saranacBoo 👻:

Nguyên văn bởi Dracoco OwO:

I am smaller than the average male but my strenght lies somewhere else...if you catch my drift. ;p

There's more air down there. Greater oxygen supply.

there's infinite air in the compartment where people who don't have crippling and hilariously tragic insecurities gather

edit: let's all meet up

[Morkonan]

Nguyên văn bởi Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at:

Yeah, it's weird calling a preference or fetish an "ideal". Like... wut? :bbtcat:

It's kind of difficult to explain without taking up too much air from the room. :) The notion that cultural values can influence selection and that these can change into "new norms" is enough.

(The "Twiggy" syndrome is sort of one. Some girls recently tried out creating one that didn't take off too well - "The Thigh Gap." More ended up in the hospital than got their dance-cards filled. Peer competition was taken far too far.)

Now, they're trying out "If you're not over six-foot tall...." Well, it's accomplishing its goals, I guess.

Nguyên văn bởi han-sama:

..I think what people typically mean by "relationship" is a romantic one, i.e, a partner.

But, that doesn't seem to be what a lot of people here are talking about. They're not discussing "life partner" qualities. Is a tall, abusive, alcoholic, moron, a good life-partner because they're tall? I think I missed that one... :)

The closest that one came was discussing a healthy physical relationship, but it's only in certain extreme cases where height would/could be that much of a motive force. (A fetish, perhaps, that's causing issues in normal interactions and that can't be solved for.)

Nguyên văn bởi Eh:

..You can change your height. Ever heard of a limb lengthening surgery? It's being successfully performed in Russia, Turkey and USA. But though it's still not majorly advanced.

I had a friend that did that. He just didn't "grow" and his self-esteem was effected by his height. He could have had some developmental issues, but he didn't suffer from outright dwarfism - He was just small and short. (There's a different developmental disorder that matches that, but that wasn't what he suffered from. I can't recall the name of it atm, but it has definite physiological characteristics, particular facial features, that he did not suffer from. He was just a small guy.)

And, I don't his height effected how most women thought about him. IIRC, he had a girlfriend at the time he received this surgery. (Necessarily after puberty, btw.) He likely compensated for his own perceived faults by using humor and was outwardly a pretty confident and fun guy. That counts in terms of what many find "attractive," too. (Note: He did, however, have some brief anger management issues and I think they may have mostly revolved around steroids that may have been assigned to try to work through the issue prior or after surgery.)

I'm all in favor of such things where someone's self-esteem is truly an issue. Therapy first, other solutions, then surgery if there is no other way to affect a satisfactory result.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

just find an even shorter woman lmao

[Captain n00by]

Sad truth about relationships is - they mostly aren't for you to decide upon.

Born in a poor familly?

You won't get to hang out with the "cool" (read: kids of wealthy parents) guys and have chance to be with the pretty popular girls.

Born in a (overtly) religious familly?

You will be treated as a kid when you're already a grown-up, various layers of "shame" will be hard coded into you and you could end up being a single person your whole life. (ironically enough, as marriage and bloodline continuation is seen as something sacred in the mainstream religions)

Born with a disability?

See first point, and it will extend further, especially if it's a crippling bodily or mental issue.

Financial issues?

You might be a hard worker, but in these unpredictable times, it's easy to fall prey to "economic sharks" and lack of money will result in much less interest in you.

At odds with society?

You could be an intelligent person but still lack the "game" to be part of the herd - unwritten societal rules are unlike those of a free-thinking person and unfortunately, most subscribe to that sort of mentality.

In the end, you also have to ask yourself what you even want.

Just sex?

Pay some cash to a prostitute or hook up with some single matures.

Casual relationship?

Try some dating sites, blind dates, talking to people at bars or clubs and such, experiment.

Serious relationship?

You will have to be commited and serious about it, especially if you plan to marry, have kids, etc.

Not everything works for everyone, make sure you know what you actually want first.

[Kris]

I'm taller than you, and I can give you experienced tips if you're serious about wanting to improve your chances with people. Mind you, I know I have flaws too, obviously, but if things stay civil, I don't mind a chat if you're up for it. Height is important to many, it's a preference, just like many guys like short girls.

[Ramonkey]

My sister’s boyfriend is shorter than her