If a werewolf bites a zombie, does the zombie become a werewolf or does the werewolf become a zombie?

[AdahnGorion]

Since steam OT is so philosophical and has so many users with high wisdom, I reckon some of you might know the answer to this very hard question..
Personally I think the Zombie becomes a werewolf draugr... That scares the hell out of me.

[AdahnGorion]

İlk olarak DarkCrystalMethod tarafından gönderildi:

What if a werewolf bites a zombie dragon that was previously Spiderman? Thats how ridiculous this thread is getting... and I like it.

But what if a zombie, that was bitten by a werewolf, caugh a sprattus sprattus and then took a bite of it ? Would we then get a Sprattus Sprattus Werezombie?

[permanent name]

Zombie's flesh begins to de-necrotize at the point of contact, immediately infecting the werewolf.

Both gradually become Zömbülf, which in turn cause everything they infect to also become Zömbülf. Except vampires, they become deathly ill and need to feed in order for their nanites special blood to fight off the infection. They also need to incinerate all of their victims or else they too rise as the mighty Zömbülf. If the temperature of the incineration is too low and their infected nanites blood becomes airborne it could cause Zömbülf rain-plagues, in which airborne bacteria which have become miniature Zömbülf rain down on an area infecting things.

Plants and fungi are presumably immune, as long as Mycanoids and Treants stay away from all of this.

Since a Zömbülf doesn't need to eat it eventually withers and dries up, becoming highly susceptible to ignition by something as innocuous as plain sunlight.

They say that Zömbülf plagues have terrorized the planet constantly over the cycles, and that the entire planet will one day be consumed in a fiery Zömbülf inferno.

[Arnie Rimsy BSc.SSc.]

I'd say nothing because the zombie is already dead and is decaying.

[AdahnGorion]

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But what if a zombie, that was bitten by a werewolf, caugh a sprattus sprattus and then took a bite of it ? Would we then get a Sprattus Sprattus Werezombie?

That sort of thing happens in Torchlight 2. I'm not kidding.

In that case I need to play torchlight 2 sometime.. Because that sounds pretty awesome

[Amuro0079]

Depends on what zombies. If they are reanimated dead then nothing would happen as there's no blood circulation in them to be affected the werewolf toxins. If the zombies are like The rage virus from 28 days later then they would turn into werewolves because they are not dead just diseased and their zombie virus would be cured by werewolf blood. Also, werewolves are higher up in the hierarchy than zombies (vampires > werewolves > zombies), so they have immunity against any zombie virus.

[AdahnGorion]

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In that case I need to play torchlight 2 sometime.. Because that sounds pretty awesome

You do need to catch the fish. Most of them you sell, but a lot of them you eat to turn into different creatures.

Rofl what?... and people think my thread is wacky... talk about a wacky game.

İlk olarak Amuro0079 tarafından gönderildi:

Depends on what zombies. If they are reanimated dead then nothing would happen as there's no blood circulation in them to be affected the werewolf toxins. If the zombies are like The rage virus from 28 days later then they would turn to werewolves because they are not dead just diseased.

Indeed that seems to be most peoples take. But some also argue both can stem from magical origin..
I wonder what would happen if the Werewolf bitten Zombie, attacked and then got to bite a Dhampyr (yes not a vampyr, a Dhampyr!)

[Holografix]

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It really depends on what you mean by Zombie and what you mean by Werewolf:

Zombie:
George Romero's zombie is the Ur-zombie for me and therefore the truest form. Romero's zombie is slow and lumbering and can only be killed by destroying its brain. You might think that decapitation would be 100% successful but as we learn in Romero's Day of the Dead, zombies continue to display motor function even after they've been mutilated or sliced up. A zombie head might pose no threat, but if you're going to be absolutely sure that it cannot get back up remember Zombieland's Rules of Engagement: Always Double Tap.

You must always remember that no one knows the reason for zombies. There are many theories -- blood infection or virus (28 Days Later), curse (White Zombie), voodoo (Serpent and the Rainbow), and even some religious theories too: "When there is no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth!" (Dawn of the Dead). Whatever the reason, there are no single zombies. Zombies are a horde or crowd event. By the time you encounter one there are already dozens or hundreds.

The zombie's raison d'être is to eat. They will eat even though they have no stomach. They are driven by hunger. A zombie doesn't gain nourishment from their 'meal,' their eating is simple raw instinct. They also have a memory of their past. This depends of how 'fresh' a zombie they are, as they are technically a 'walking corpse' and their brain (where memory is stored) will eventually decompose giving way to nothing but ceaseless hunger.

Werewolf:
The classic fable of becoming. Like zombies, lycanthropes have unknown origins but I consider An American Werewolf in London the classic Ur-werewolf. Werewolves are humans who for different reasons (infection, curse) transform into wolf-beasts by dint of the full moon. Lunar lunacy is a common theme in Werewolf lore as the full moon is often a catalyst for transformation.

There are different forms of werewolves: playful (Teen Wolf), beastly (American Werewolf in London), ghastly (The Howling). A werewolf is more animal than human, often experiencing augmented strength, speed and a near invulnerability. The transformation is temporary for unknown reasons.

A human becomes a werewolf by being bitten by one and by surviving the attack. Usually, a werewolf is out to kill not to turn other humans into werewolves. This is probably why it can be seen as a curse more so than a simple infection since surviving the attack is just as important as getting bit.

The Double Bite:
A werewolf doesn't just bite, it tears, rends, and slashes you to pieces. It is an attack. Presumably, because of its human-side, a werewolf doesn't attack for food. I can't see a werewolf simply biting a zombie and moving on its way. It would tear the zombie to pieces or simply look for live flesh. It doesn't seem to me that a werewolf would have much interest in a zombie's rotting flesh.

Zombies don't attack animals. Dogs are safe from zombies (Dawn of the Dead) as zombies only go for human flesh or in some cases human brains. Since a werewolf is more wolf (read: canine/animal) than human, I cannot see a zombie going for werewolf meat.

Yet in the rare case that a double bite might occur, a zombie's dead flesh will fail to hold the werewolf's curse and the full moon will not activate any mental states in a zombie's rotting brain. Though if a zombie were to bite a werewolf, the werewolf would indeed turn into a zombie. The gestation period for zombiefication is usually 3-4 days (Dawn of the Dead) so it would be the human-aspect of the lycanthrope that will turn. And since zombiefication nullfies the curse of lycanthropy, the werewolf would be cured.

The common point between the two monstrosities is that their bite is the vector of change: a zombie's bite, a werewolf's bite. Though whether one turns into the other differs based on their physiology. A zombie's body cannot hold the werewolf's curse, and only the human aspect of a werewolf can hold the zombie's. Note that a change will occur only through the bite of the other, as it is their bites that contaminate. Blood splatter or accidental ingestion of blood will not turn a human into a zombie (Day of the Dead). Likewise, 'swapping saliva' with a lycanthrope will not make one a werewolf (American Werewolf in London, Teen Wolf).

I would like to know what differentiates a zombie from a living body in terms of curses/diseases. The body has to be working well enough to allow whatever is giving commands to send electricity to the muscles and if those cells are still alive they should be able to metabolize whatever process causes Lycanthropy. If those cells are dead then the zombie wouldn't be able to move and it would be immobile and indistinguishable from an actual dead body. The Zombie's "brain" may not be effected but the body should still be changed.

A zombie is animated dead flesh and zombification occurs after death. A common way of speaking about 'zombies' and 'werewolves' are in terms of disease, infection, or virus. But these are simple metaphors attempting to describe the indescribable. Sure, a zombie or a werewolf's bite will "infect" another human being, but neither monstrous state is an 'infection' as it cannot be cured by anti-biotics. And neither is it a 'virus' as there is no medicine that can delay or lessen the transformation.

The trouble with lycanthropy is that there is much lore that describes it as an induced mental state. A human believes themselves to be werewolf, or a human suffers from some metal illness. There is also lore that figures the Full Moon as an integral part of lycanthropy which suggests that there is more than simple madness at play. It could be a curse, if one believes in that sort of thing, or possibly a genetic disorder if you want to get scientific about it. But, if you look at the totems of lore, specifically An American Werewolf in London, a werewolf is a "cursed" being as a curse is needed for the werewolf to emerge.

Can a zombie be cursed? Can you infect a zombie with a disease? If we look at the totems of lore, specifically, Day of the Dead, a zombie functions via a small area of the brain that controls instinct. A zombie moves stiffly because of rigor mortis, yet if you shoot it there is blood splatter. This suggests that their body still circulates blood. Yet, I do not believe that a zombie can metabolize anything. They don't gain nourishment from what they eat. They eat because of instinct, almost because of memory. They don't need protein or carbs. A zombie's body is dead so it cannot sustain a curse, as a curse is somehow tied to vengeance (why would someone lay a curse on a zombie? It would be pointless). And a zombie's body cannot be infected as they are already dead.

At the very most, perhaps a zombie can be a vehicle or carrier for disease like some kind of corpse bomb or corpse trap. It is plausible that a zombie could contain many diseases and thus be a vector for disease. But that would be pointless because if that zombie got you, you would become a zombie and thereby all diseases passing to you would become inert.

[AdahnGorion]

İlk olarak Gamwise Samgee tarafından gönderildi:

I'd say nothing because the zombie is already dead and is decaying.

In some cases that would be the argument, but there are so many different takes on what a zombie is and how it works.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

İlk olarak Darkie tarafından gönderildi:

If a werewolf bites a zombie, does the zombie become a werewolf or does the werewolf become a zombie?

Zombies aren't real & werewolves aren't real ...& neither makes particularly much sense either.

...however... for the sake of creating a consistent & believable set of rules to govern our horror fantasy world with:

Both.

(But the also don't stop being what they were before either so now both are both.)

[AdahnGorion]

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and how it works.

well some have full time jobs and some are temps, and then you have your retired ones that move to florida and play golf.

[AdahnGorion]

İlk olarak Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Darkie tarafından gönderildi:

If a werewolf bites a zombie, does the zombie become a werewolf or does the werewolf become a zombie?

Zombies aren't real & werewolves aren't real ...& neither makes particularly much sense either.

...however... for the sake of creating a consistent & believable set of rules to govern our horror fantasy world with:

Both.

(But the also don't stop being what they were before either so now both are both.)


:seewhatyoudid:

But what if both of them attacked you and the you got bitten? would you then become a werewolf zombie kiddiecat?

[RRW359]

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I would like to know what differentiates a zombie from a living body in terms of curses/diseases. The body has to be working well enough to allow whatever is giving commands to send electricity to the muscles and if those cells are still alive they should be able to metabolize whatever process causes Lycanthropy. If those cells are dead then the zombie wouldn't be able to move and it would be immobile and indistinguishable from an actual dead body. The Zombie's "brain" may not be effected but the body should still be changed.

A zombie is animated dead flesh and zombification occurs after death. A common way of speaking about 'zombies' and 'werewolves' are in terms of disease, infection, or virus. But these are simple metaphors attempting to describe the indescribable. Sure, a zombie or a werewolf's bite will "infect" another human being, but neither monstrous state is an 'infection' as it cannot be cured by anti-biotics. And neither is it a 'virus' as there is no medicine that can delay or lessen the transformation.

The trouble with lycanthropy is that there is much lore that describes it as an induced mental state. A human believes themselves to be werewolf, or a human suffers from some metal illness. There is also lore that figures the Full Moon as an integral part of lycanthropy which suggests that there is more than simple madness at play. It could be a curse, if one believes in that sort of thing, or possibly a genetic disorder if you want to get scientific about it. But, if you look at the totems of lore, specifically An American Werewolf in London, a werewolf is a "cursed" being as a curse is needed for the werewolf to emerge.

Can a zombie be cursed? Can you infect a zombie with a disease? If we look at the totems of lore, specifically, Day of the Dead, a zombie functions via a small area of the brain that controls instinct. A zombie moves stiffly because of rigor mortis, yet if you shoot it there is blood splatter. This suggests that their body still circulates blood. Yet, I do not believe that a zombie can metabolize anything. They don't gain nourishment from what they eat. They eat because of instinct, almost because of memory. They don't need protein or carbs. A zombie's body is dead so it cannot sustain a curse, as a curse is somehow tied to vengeance (why would someone lay a curse on a zombie? It would be pointless). And a zombie's body cannot be infected as they are already dead.

At the very most, perhaps a zombie can be a vehicle or carrier for disease like some kind of corpse bomb or corpse trap. It is plausible that a zombie could contain many diseases and thus be a vector for disease. But that would be pointless because if that zombie got you, you would become a zombie and thereby all diseases passing to you would become inert.

So what you are saying is that since they don't need external energy I can use them as a perpetual motion machine by showing a video of someone and putting them on a treadmill?

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

İlk olarak Darkie tarafından gönderildi:

...
But what if both of them attacked you and the you got bitten? would you then become a werewolf zombie kiddiecat?

Well, that gets a bit personal but in a good way.

I don't have any werewolves in my stories / lore yet, & I'll probably never have zombies.

I hadn't considered how that would work if my character was placed into another person's story, though (such as a friend's / partner's), which is something I'm a fan of leaving the potential for.

So, I guess I will ponder on that now... it's pretty simple question except for the fact that the "kiddie" aspect of my character's lore involves an energy that keeps him alive & young, therefore, it would likely also protect him from becoming a zombie. (Of course, I have a few varations of the character that does not have this ability.) So...

It depends on which Kiddiecat got bitten.


The werewolf Kiddiecat, part, though, totally... without a doubt...

[Volfogg]

Most zombies are undead, most undead lack flow in the bloodstream, lycanthropy infection usually involves curse/disease in the blood, therefore it doesn't seem for said curse/disease of blood to affect this specific creature, because its heart doesn't beat. Long story made short - undead are disease immune usually.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Hmmm. All depends on the type of each. Like if it's classic wolfman, he is gonna die. Or if it's Return zombies, since it's chemical based, you are gonna get a werezed. Of if the zed is a fomari under the wyrm, then the werewolf might have it's face melt off. Or Monster Squad wolfman is only vunerable to silver, and that isn't good for the zombie.

I'll use my preferred. 9 foot tall engine of destruction versus shambling rotter. Werewolf bites zed. Then spends the rest of the day picking zed out of it's teeth. He doesn't change as he is immune to disease and has regeneration. The zombie doesn't change because it is no longer the undead, just regular dead. Picture a dog biting and shaking it's toy, but the dog can juggle cars.