Ash 2021 年 4 月 27 日 上午 10:42
Adopting Chinese/Kanji characters into English
So I've been thinking, what if we started using Chinese characters in English? There is a large amount of overlap between Kanji and Hanzi/Chinese. For example "車" means "car" in both Japanese and Traditional Chinese, so there is no reason why it couldn't mean that in English too.

China also has multiple spoken languages that can't understand each other, but if they write something down it is mutually intelligible. Japan already uses three (four if you count Romaji) writing systems together, so mixing different systems wouldn't be a problem either.

Start teaching kids Chinese characters in school and we could probably have people reading it in one or two generations in the west.
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s w e k 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 12:58 
引用自 s w e k
I don't know if that's quite the same because emojis are a series of expressions. They aren't part of a language with an already established system and already established rules. I guarantee if I were to show someone who spoke German a thumbs up and smiley face, they'd know I'm telling them "good job" because that's a universal expression.

However, Kanji and Hanzi are part of an already established language system with its own rules that aren't universal. You can't simply plug it into English.
Language constantly evolves, and will continue to evolve. There is no "established system".
Also if you are ever in Iran or Turkey never give a "thumbs up" or you might get punched in the face.
Language evolves over time.You want to shove in completely different characters from a very different language into English.

We need a foundation of established language systems so we can communicate with each other. If language was nebulous and completely arbitrary, I'd never know what anyone is saying.
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Ash 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:00 
引用自 s w e k

Language constantly evolves, and will continue to evolve. There is no "established system".
Also if you are ever in Iran or Turkey never give a "thumbs up" or you might get punched in the face.
Language evolves over time.You want to shove in completely different characters from a very different language into English.

We need a foundation of established language systems so we can communicate with each other. If language was nebulous and completely arbitrary, I'd never know what anyone is saying.
Katakana and Hangul are constructed writing system. The king of Korea literally designed their writing system from scratch.
s w e k 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:01 
引用自 s w e k
Language evolves over time.You want to shove in completely different characters from a very different language into English.

We need a foundation of established language systems so we can communicate with each other. If language was nebulous and completely arbitrary, I'd never know what anyone is saying.
Katakana and Hangul are constructed writing system. The king of Korea literally designed their writing system from scratch.
Uh... okay.
Mad Scientist 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:01 
引用自 s w e k
引用自 Mr. Gentlebot
Europe is a hot mess in regard to mixing cultures
How so? Because Europe has never been one monolithic culture and they certainly have never been "united". Do you have any idea how many wars Europeans have fought amongst themselves?
Have you watched the news or been watching what's been going on in the EU, UK, USA in the past 5 years? Take the entire thing in full context to the thread and the responses. Easy self answering question.

引用自 s w e k
Language evolves over time.You want to shove in completely different characters from a very different language into English.

We need a foundation of established language systems so we can communicate with each other. If language was nebulous and completely arbitrary, I'd never know what anyone is saying.
Katakana and Hangul are constructed writing system. The king of Korea literally designed their writing system from scratch.
What does that have to do with justifying your suggestion? Because I don't see any particular reason why this is a good idea from you so far.
sotaponi 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:01 
引用自 HellsWind
English is an International - Intelligent language one day we will all speak.
Looking at the current state of things, I think a single global language would be pretty dystopian for the same reason a single government with absolute authority from which nobody could distance themselves would be dystopian. At least for the time being, until humans are overall more... "rational" and less hysterical.

And referencing languages, I'd rather everyone speaks whatever language they want and then has it auto-translated on the fly by AI or whatever. As long as any language can connect and/or be interpreted according to some standard (that should TBH be created from scratch instead of being based on English or w/e), you should be fine. Or you just mix everything and have that mixture become a standard.

Overall, AI opens so many doors. Just think of a game (if you still play games by then) that takes place in Rome 2000 years ago. Why would you have it in English when everyone can effectively understand Latin simply by virtue of technological advances? And why would you speak one language in particular when sentiments such as specialization are alleged to be beneficial? Or a combination of multiple languages would be.

Alternatively, I could also look at blockchain, and the meta there is by some found in the presence of multiple systems with different specializations that can be combined by a means of unification. Then picking and combining different systems and their respective strengths given some context. (Although others don't want this and think one can rule all. But yeah... I think speaking English and enforcing a one-world government, at least for the time being, is pretty dystopian.)
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[FFK3] Trovaa 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:03 
nah
maybe instead schools can teach students languages in actually engaging and practical ways...
and better language selection than ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spanish, french, german, and chinese
No, I'm fine with subtitles... and I don't watch animes at all...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Walach 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:21 
Well if I walk up to a random person in a street in X country, I wonder which language I would have the best chance of getting a response from, chinese or english? :P

Also, I wonder how many people in China knows enough english to be able to speak it semi decent?

EDIT: also, where on the keyboard should that symbol be?
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Radene 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 1:23 
引用自 HellsWind
English is an International - Intelligent language one day we will all speak.

That's what the French thought, too!

...and well, half of English vocabulary is French, anyway....
Gus the Crocodile 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 2:46 
Schools already have the ability to teach people how to speak Chinese languages.
MikeBob2013 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 2:48 
引用自 Radene
引用自 HellsWind
English is an International - Intelligent language one day we will all speak.

That's what the French thought, too!

...and well, half of English vocabulary is French, anyway....

English is like the junk drawer of languages: there's bit and pieces of everything in there.
AdahnGorion 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 3:49 
I actually think the Chinese should adopt Scandinavian and Russian letters into their system.
AdahnGorion 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 3:49 
引用自 MikeBob2013
引用自 Radene

That's what the French thought, too!

...and well, half of English vocabulary is French, anyway....

English is like the junk drawer of languages: there's bit and pieces of everything in there.

And actually a lot of Scandinavian and French..
引用自 🌈☆🎀 𝒜𝓈𝒽𝑒
Adopting Chinese/Kanji characters into English

引用自 🌈☆🎀 𝒜𝓈𝒽𝑒
So I've been thinking, what if we started using Chinese characters in English? There is a large amount of overlap between Kanji and Hanzi/Chinese. For example "車" means "car" in both Japanese and Traditional Chinese, so there is no reason why it couldn't mean that in English too.
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Except it's a rather complicated symbol that is harder to make out in small fonts than the word "car".

...but otherwise... we actually already have.

Japan was using emoji before it was cool but now we have stuff like the car emoji, 🚗, which you can use to stick on your phone's calendar, which normally wouldn't have enough room to fit the whole word (especially with longer words), but can easily fit an emoji & now you can just look at your calendar, see the emojis, & know whatever it is, that you're using them to represent, is scheduled for that day ("Ahhh... today I need to get the car washed.")

This is one of the ways that emoji are actually superior to words & also a more universal language.


引用自 🌈☆🎀 𝒜𝓈𝒽𝑒
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Start teaching kids Chinese characters in school and we could probably have people reading it in one or two generations in the west.

Preparing for the impending take-over attempt? :steammocking:


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Alaskan Catfish Hike 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 5:30 
Let’s not to that. Ever
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