We finally "officially" have made a successful Human-Animal hybrid. Thoughts?

[Uncle Sam]

Source by Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/04/15/scientists-have-created-embryos-that-are-part-human-part-monkey/?sh=5860a47c396c

So well, I didn't expected DNA modification tools get this advanced this early in the century. So What do you guys think? Planet of Apes or some funky new lethal diseases might come around and bite us in the ass later on? Or a more optimistic point of view?

[Grendalcat]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Wait a minute... I've seen this movie before... It doesn't end well for all parties involved.


https://youtu.be/JJUSCUaqMTk

Or was this a happy ending...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8fkrPP_0qA

[Morphic]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Roseate, Her Thighness:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morphic:

If they are as intelligent as a human but only have a lifespan of ~20 years and mature as quickly as a dog or cat, then I'd say they should be classified and treated as a pet such as dogs/cats.

That gets immediately shot down as an option as soon as a comparison to humans with terminal conditions is made.

Eh, not really as those terminally ill humans were not inherently going to die so soon. The disease/illness is what is causing the short lifespan, not their natural(or unnatural in case of hybrids?) condition. If they never contracted the disease or illness they would live the ~80+ years of their natural lifespan. (Also, they'd be the exception and not the norm in this hypothetical)

However, a hybrid only living ~20 years is their natural lifespan. Even if they live a healthy life, they are still only getting to ~20. If you then want to compare inherent genetic conditions that cause terminal illness in humans... well that's a slightly different argument but boils down much the same way.

Which would then lead into the argument for hybrids that "they were designed that way, so how is it their fault for only being able to live ~20 years?".... To which I would say the controversial thing of "What can anyone actually do to affect society with ~15 years and the mental maturity of a child?" (Assuming the hybrids fully mature at 5) It takes an average human to finish their public education ~12 years, longer if higher education such as university/college is considered. That would leave a hybrid ~3-5 years to actually do something.

Hence why I said if a hybrid has a lifespan of 40+, then they should get "human rights" as with a lifespan like that and maturing at ~3-5, they would actually have time to do something. They'd be able to get a full education and have time to use it, be it manual labor to being a professor, teacher, doctor, scientist, etc. IMO, with a short life span the hybrids would be equivalent mentally to children. They might have the intelligence of an adult at 3-5 but they would lack the education/wisdom. (Please don't try to make a "but uneducated people..." argument as "Life Experience" comes into play, which in this hypothetical the hybrids would lack as well.)

TLDR: Though, personally, an ideal setting would be like one of those animes or video games... The hybrids would look like the "romanticised" depictions, live at least 50+ years, have the same rights as humans... while humans physically age half as long with double lifespan, no longer have genetic conditions/diseases and birth defects can be corrected. Or something totally not dystopia that is the probable outcome of such research/advances.

[Little Miss Terror]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morphic:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Roseate, Her Thighness:

That gets immediately shot down as an option as soon as a comparison to humans with terminal conditions is made.

Eh, not really as those terminally ill humans were not inherently going to die so soon. The disease/illness is what is causing the short lifespan, not their natural(or unnatural in case of hybrids?) condition. If they never contracted the disease or illness they would live the ~80+ years of their natural lifespan. (Also, they'd be the exception and not the norm in this hypothetical)

However, a hybrid only living ~20 years is their natural lifespan. Even if they live a healthy life, they are still only getting to ~20. If you then want to compare inherent genetic conditions that cause terminal illness in humans... well that's a slightly different argument but boils down much the same way.

Which would then lead into the argument for hybrids that "they were designed that way, so how is it their fault for only being able to live ~20 years?".... To which I would say the controversial thing of "What can anyone actually do to affect society with ~15 years and the mental maturity of a child?" (Assuming the hybrids fully mature at 5) It takes an average human to finish their public education ~12 years, longer if higher education such as university/college is considered. That would leave a hybrid ~3-5 years to actually do something.

Hence why I said if a hybrid has a lifespan of 40+, then they should get "human rights" as with a lifespan like that and maturing at ~3-5, they would actually have time to do something. They'd be able to get a full education and have time to use it, be it manual labor to being a professor, teacher, doctor, scientist, etc. IMO, with a short life span the hybrids would be equivalent mentally to children. They might have the intelligence of an adult at 3-5 but they would lack the education/wisdom. (Please don't try to make a "but uneducated people..." argument as "Life Experience" comes into play, which in this hypothetical the hybrids would lack as well.)

TLDR: Though, personally, an ideal setting would be like one of those animes or video games... The hybrids would look like the "romanticised" depictions, live at least 50+ years, have the same rights as humans... while humans physically age half as long with double lifespan, no longer have genetic conditions/diseases and birth defects can be corrected. Or something totally not dystopia that is the probable outcome of such research/advances.

Lifespan is irrelevant. Rights are not withheld from those who do not or cannot contribute to society; that would constitute ableism. The world is cruel enough as it is, especially for those who already have suffered or are suffering from great misfortune.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr. H.U.N.K.:

Thoughts?

According to the article that you linked, they're basically going to use these "not quite human" creatures for organ harvesting, so... that's pretty awful.

Maybe it will go a different way, though...

[The Commendatore]

I don't have the opportunity to read the whole article that was linked, but from what I've read so far, why not dedicate resources to pursue the cloning of individual organs instead?

I find the whole 'let's-breed-this-creature-for-spare-parts' distasteful.

[Uncle Sam]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr. H.U.N.K.:

Thoughts?

According to the article that you linked, they're basically going to use these "not quite human" creatures for organ harvesting, so... that's pretty awful.

Maybe it will go a different way, though...


:thepro:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓦𝓲𝓷𝓴:

I don't have the opportunity to read the whole article that was linked, but from what I've read so far, why not dedicate resources to pursue the cloning of individual organs instead?

I find the whole 'let's-breed-this-creature-for-spare-parts' distasteful.

Agreed, i think the most ethical & moral alternative would be go full artificial organs. Europe has made a full functional prototype of a human hearth!

Source: Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/artificial-heartmaker-carmat-start-sales-after-eu-approval-2021-01-06/

Basically go full machine, sorta like a Deus Ex Human Revolution type of tech. Instead of going the full DNA modifications & "chimeras" route, that might lead us to a Black Swang type of event with a plausible Butterfly effect or even a Ripple effect in the long run.

Edit: As for "clonning" tech we haven't perfectioned it yet for human DNA "officially". Yet there was a few rumours that China did successfully cloned a human baby & an adult human without genetics defects. However due ethics concerns & massive backlash both from CCP members & "the west". Both the "experiment" and the researchers related to the project and their families are gone from official records.

However i do think the rumour is fake, otherwise we might have crossed the red line and some people already throwed the ethics & moral out of the window a long time ago.

[Morphic]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Roseate, Her Thighness:

Lifespan is irrelevant. Rights are not withheld from those who do not or cannot contribute to society; that would constitute ableism. The world is cruel enough as it is, especially for those who already have suffered or are suffering from great misfortune.

Ah, so children should be able to vote and be held completely responsible for their actions? I thought mental maturity, experience, wisdom, etc. all came from living for years. Perhaps children should be eligible for political office. (Sometimes I think they'd do a better a job) A bit hyperbolic but it serves a point.

Lifespan is relevant. Hence why I said terminally ill people are the exception and not the rule.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓦𝓲𝓷𝓴:

I don't have the opportunity to read the whole article that was linked, but from what I've read so far, why not dedicate resources to pursue the cloning of individual organs instead?

I find the whole 'let's-breed-this-creature-for-spare-parts' distasteful.

It may be grisly but it would be rather efficient for our modern civilization. Think about it like this; Cows/Pigs could grow an extra Human Heart/Lungs/whatever. When they are slaughtered to make the variety of animal products that are practically mandatory, there's also X organs that can be used to save lives and alleviate that "Waiting List" that so often sees Affluent individuals getting priority over children or "needy" individuals. Two birds one stone sort of deal.

Though the conditions and why those animal products are practically mandatory is a different argument.

[AdahnGorion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QagEozqPZs

[Little Miss Terror]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morphic:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Roseate, Her Thighness:

Lifespan is irrelevant. Rights are not withheld from those who do not or cannot contribute to society; that would constitute ableism. The world is cruel enough as it is, especially for those who already have suffered or are suffering from great misfortune.

Ah, so children should be able to vote and be held completely responsible for their actions? I thought mental maturity, experience, wisdom, etc. all came from living for years. Perhaps children should be eligible for political office. (Sometimes I think they'd do a better a job) A bit hyperbolic but it serves a point.

Lifespan is relevant. Hence why I said terminally ill people are the exception and not the rule.

1. That is age, not lifespan.

2. You said that we were discussing under the assumption that they develop at the same rate as a dog or cat. That means their brain would be more developed in less time than a human.

3. Even if we do not give them the right to vote or run for office or all of that, no being intelligent enough to comprehend the concept of property should be property.

[Masque]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Neko Carl:

Whoopee. Humans are already part monkey.

Yes, we're part banana, too, according to the genome. So what?

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Masque of Clavicus Vile:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Neko Carl:

Whoopee. Humans are already part monkey.

Yes, we're part banana, too, according to the genome. So what?

You are what you eat.

[Naedmi]

We're creating things that never asked to be created.

I'm sure only good things could come from this.

[Masque]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Naedmi:

We're creating things that never asked to be created.

I'm sure only good things could come from this.

So they're (I won't say "we", because I'm not in their club) playing at being God?

I don't know if I would do that, if I were them.

[Von-Reaper]

So many dilemmas to be had humanity?
Becoming like the gods are you?
Toy as you will,If you care for it to come bite you in the ass.
Hevee a warning of the past,your treading on something that may turn dangerous and if not unethical,Mortals.

Knowing your current corruption....May you have mercy cast upon you.

[HardBoiled]

So creating catgirls is possible