Wait, you seriously have to install Origin to play EA games? Even if you bought them on Steam?

[Devsman]

I might be about to refund a game...

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

When I bought EA games on Steam I used to be able to redeem them on Origin.

That did not happen if I just brought a Origin license. I did buy Metro 2033 and on Origin and it only uses Steam no Origin to play. That was a first (and last) for sure.

[RRW359]

Devsman님이 먼저 게시:

I might be about to refund a game...

Fun fact: Origin has allowed refunds since around 2013 and Steam didn't implement them until two years later when they were forced.

AustrAlien2010님이 먼저 게시:

No. Its not going well.

They are not a cancer. Cancer is a disease caused by an uncontrolled division of abnormal cells in a part of the body.

Words should make sense and have meaning, otherwise nobody understands you, and then you cannot communicate.

Some words have multiple meanings. Cancer is also a constellation, and people have used it to refer to negative influances for a long time.

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Odd to see a mod supporting the competition. And saying something bad about Steam. I applaud your honesty. You are 100% correct but no one will listen and change their minds. Unfortunately.

[Reggaejunkiedrew]

The thing I find annoying is their new launcher, EA Desktop doesn't even work yet to support launching games from Steam. So even though I need EA desktop installed to play ea play games via PC game pass, Origin is still needed to launch their games via steam, such as Mass Effect Legendary. It has been like this for over a year and a half now. They really need to get their ♥♥♥♥ together with their new client. One was bad enough, but needing two different EA clients installed depending on the situation is absurd.

[MinionJoe]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Second: Do you know who else does exactly this?

Steam.

From your comments about how news sites were reporting this, I assume you got the information from this site:

https://gamerant.com/origin-user-agreement-ea-user-privacy/

Why did you omit their analysis on exactly how Steam's clause is less intrusive than EA's?

Or maybe you got it from a different site. There were a lot of gaming sites reporting on this back in 2011. Including RPS.

Regardless, EA might have changed the TOS, but I've seen nothing where they mentioned changing the functionality of the client. They can still view everything on your system if they wanted to.

Are you claiming that Valve can also view everything on their customer's PCs?

[Tito Shivan]

MinionJoe님이 먼저 게시:

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Second: Do you know who else does exactly this?

Steam.

From your comments about how news sites were reporting this, I assume you got the information from this site:

https://gamerant.com/origin-user-agreement-ea-user-privacy/

No I didn't it was from a different site.

MinionJoe님이 먼저 게시:

Why did you omit their analysis on exactly how Steam's clause is less intrusive than EA's?

Because I don't bother with news sites reporting as it's usually a lot of FUD and half-assed opinions with the intention of getting some easy clicks. I do my analysis based on what the document says. Not from what a news-site article writer thinks they say.

MinionJoe님이 먼저 게시:

Are you claiming that Valve can also view everything on their customer's PCs?

The Steam hardware survey contains a list of all the installed software in your computer. I'm pretty sure if someone found Origin to do that back in the day would flip the hell over it.
Steam had to revert years ago a change in VAC where they looked at the user's DNS cache for traces of some known cheat DRM in order to catch cheaters.

Out Of Bubblegum님이 먼저 게시:

Odd to see a mod supporting the competition. And saying something bad about Steam. I applaud your honesty. You are 100% correct but no one will listen and change their minds. Unfortunately.

Other than moderating the forums I'm just as much of a user and customer as anyone else here. I get to use the same Steam client everyone else uses, with the good and the bad parts. And I own and play games on Origin, Uplay and other gaming services.

[Eat3n]

TRASH님이 먼저 게시:

You have to install it but it's not too intrusive. It just pops up with a splash screen for a second and that's it. It doesn't launch the full client or anything.

💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕님이 먼저 게시:

yep I own both a ubisoft and EA game on here and have both their launchers installed.

I don't even care they don't affect the game in any way.

Holding These Alligators Down님이 먼저 게시:

Origin doesn't effect the game in any way so who cares?

^This type of attitude is why The West is doomed, "i get what i want, so who cares about the other stuff." And yet people are absolutely shocked when Facebook sells your data and their algorithm is designed to sow divisiveness, Instagram and TikTok are bad for the mental health of teenage girls, the government abuses it's authorities and surveillance powers, etc, etc, on, and on.

[Plaid]

Out Of Bubblegum님이 먼저 게시:

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Odd to see a mod supporting the competition. And saying something bad about Steam. I applaud your honesty. You are 100% correct but no one will listen and change their minds. Unfortunately.

I'd rather think he's supporting the truth.

[MinionJoe]

Plaid님이 먼저 게시:

Out Of Bubblegum님이 먼저 게시:

Odd to see a mod supporting the competition. And saying something bad about Steam. I applaud your honesty. You are 100% correct but no one will listen and change their minds. Unfortunately.

I'd rather think he's supporting the truth.

"Origin is the most secure and transparent platform in gaming history."

[Plaid]

MinionJoe님이 먼저 게시:

Plaid님이 먼저 게시:

I'd rather think he's supporting the truth.

"Origin is the most secure and transparent platform in gaming history."

lol
Nobody's perfect

[Yzal]

Grand Ayatrollah님이 먼저 게시:

ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ님이 먼저 게시:

at the very least it doesn't explicitly go rooting around in your files like Origin does..

i trust electronic arts more than steam theyre a big deal they have 10k+ employees. steam is just a little small town car salesman

Thanks for sharing your opinion, EA employee.

[hsf_]

Grand Ayatrollah님이 먼저 게시:

Lazy Dog님이 먼저 게시:

Thanks for sharing your opinion, EA employee.

electronic arts is as old as nintendo. its 50x bigger than steam. you can trust them as much as having windows on your computer.

steam is more of a little pop-up start up your own internet businiess that happened to get aahead of the others at the right time. you can trust them as much as facebook.

But steam hasn't done half the shady things that EA have done...

[RRW359]

hsf_님이 먼저 게시:

Grand Ayatrollah님이 먼저 게시:

electronic arts is as old as nintendo. its 50x bigger than steam. you can trust them as much as having windows on your computer.

steam is more of a little pop-up start up your own internet businiess that happened to get aahead of the others at the right time. you can trust them as much as facebook.

But steam hasn't done half the shady things that EA have done...

You mean like not refunding preorders? Wait no that's Steam prior to 2015.

[Yzal]

Grand Ayatrollah님이 먼저 게시:

Lazy Dog님이 먼저 게시:

Thanks for sharing your opinion, EA employee.

electronic arts is as old as nintendo. its 50x bigger than steam. you can trust them as much as having windows on your computer.

Guess what, i don't trust Windows either, or Microsoft.

steam is more of a little pop-up start up your own internet businiess that happened to get aahead of the others at the right time. you can trust them as much as facebook.

Except, unlike Fecesbook, Steam is not being run by shady ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Your older = better attitude makes you look like an old man reminicing about the "good ol' day". There was as much trash then as there's now.

[hsf_]

RRW359님이 먼저 게시:

hsf_님이 먼저 게시:

But steam hasn't done half the shady things that EA have done...

You mean like not refunding preorders? Wait no that's Steam prior to 2015.

Honestly if that is the worst that Steam have done then they are saints compared to EA.