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hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 12 日 下午 10:27
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has video game company's really lowered our expectations now and days?
are we really that gullible now and days?

do we not have value anymore or is it really that tiresome to want to care anymore?

have we given up fighting the war

where is the boycotting?

do we no longer have faith in boycotting

does boycotting don't work anymore?

how much more longer we going to put up with poor designed lazy games?
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引用自 Morkonan:
引用自 hamster1000：
very good point indeed my case here is it feels like to me that persons don't care about quality or a game that makes sense thats why i ask the questions like i do to the player base here in these broads

I'm going to use this as a possible explanation of your original post. I couldn't quite understand what you were originally asking. I do have an answer, however... Nobody is going to like it, though. :)

Games are products.

Consumers in this market where the products are sold have been trained to accept unfinished work. They have also been trained to disregard marketing claims in favor of their own expectations, which may or may not be accurate at all.

The market continues to evolve, thanks to the means of distribution and the habits of its regular consumers. Costs for production have gone dramatically down. Distribution costs are also contractually static, in most cases. In some cases, they are nearly negligible and actual distribution costs can be spread across a large number of products. Nobody has to relabel a "Zelda" box anymore in order to ship a "Mario Bro's" game...

All of this means that both the consumers and the logistics involved in actually selling the product have allowed for the common and very profitable distribution of "unfinished work."

Electronic Entertainment, "gaming," is the largest entertainment sector in the world, outpacing everything else unless one includes "television" and related forms as their own segment. (ie: Streaming Vidyo's)

But, would we put up with "unfinished movies and videos?"

Yes.

That, too, has changed. Netflix doesn't cut a check for episodes. They cut checks for two-year seasons because that's as long as a typical consumer will watch a "crappy television series/program." In other words, viewers will continue to click the button for two years and, during that time, help to attract new consumers as well. They aren't selling a "show," they're selling... What? Anyone? That's right - A service.

(Dynamics are changing there with very increased competition for content, experiments with production are ongoing. All services may eventually move to leaner approaches, but there's tons of badly written crap yet to promote. :))

In some portion of this thread, the concept of "boycotting" was mentioned. I'm going to bring it in as an example of how "the internet" and its pervasiveness has changed... everything.

First of all, producers/developers only care about "boycotting" and popular "i want a cause to fight for" groups in terms of "the now." IOW - "Will it effect any sales this week or will it effect our big "Day 1" release?" After that? Not one of them cares a bit. Zero. Why is this?

Because gamers and those not only in the game market, but the entire Electronic Entertainment market, don't care either. Not a one. Zero.

It seems that technology has not only empowered a great many people and has not only done other very positive things, but it has also allowed for practices that markets would not have allowed previously. And, the consumers in those markets fully embrace these new practices. Fully. With great enthusiasm.

I'm not going to mention any big houses or producers, here, because this is Steam/Valve and those are their customers. I've actually come to like Steam over the years. (Who'da thunk it?) But, I think most enthusiastic readers here will know of at least a couple of "Big Names" that have had "Big Controversies" that stretch beyond just "games" and into social practices we all might find abhorrent and reprehensible.

Guess what?

Even though those things have happened, nobody with money to spend on their games will care next week or next month. They will still buy the big AAA titles, still feverishly press the Loot Box button, and still get on teh interwebz and tell others how great the game is... They don't care about anything else other than playing the next, new, big thing...


"They are only as good as the world allows them to be."


Why does quality often seem to suffer? Why do unfinished products get bought with enthusiasm? Why are there predatory practices in game products? Why is there a straight line to your checking account being monitored every second by a third-party product called "Fluffy Happy Kill-Time Adventure Island: IV?" Why have you not contacted your government to file a formal complaint because some "game company" is selling your private information right now, as we speak?

It's because you enthusiastically let it happen.

Can you, as in the avid gamer, stop yourself from buying a game if you know it's not yet finished or that developer/production house has done something you find objectionable?

The market returns in one of the single-largest product markets in the entire world says "No, you can't."

Just like all the popular "boycott this" and "don't by that" Internetz "social movements" that have revolved around some product producer have twiddled out in a matter of days or a couple of weeks... so will a gamer's resistance to the lure of the experience a product is assumed to have waiting for them.
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hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 12 日 下午 11:59 
引用自 TRASH：
lmao
by all do means do blame me for other things you got me curious now i wonder what other things i did and did not do
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🍋 Lemonfed 🍋 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:03 
I don't understand what's you're talking about anymore...

Lazy game design ? Not enough shotgun shell ? Boycotting game ?
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Nomad 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:04 
You really wanna know? In this thread you essentially call for thousands of families to suffer in poverty, maybe go homeless or starve. Just because you wanted more ammo capacity in a video game? Don't you think that's a bit childish? The common term for it is 'entitled brat'.
最後修改者：Nomad; 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:04
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ṼṏẌṏḭḊ 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:04 
Wtf is this?
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hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:04 
i guess to all of the questions i asked as well as the subject starting line is yes really sucks persons have no values or dignity anymore i blame that on the pubic school education i am scared about the future now the kids that was growing up in the 90's and early 2000's are now grown ups i put money on the table right here and right now i bet they don't even know what values or dignity is all about it was never taught to them
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The nameless Gamer 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:05 
Judging by how popular annual sports releases and big FPS franchises are despite minimal or no differences between games whatsoever, I don't think the majority of players has high expectations to begin with.
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hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:05 
引用自 TRASH：
You really wanna know? In this thread you essentially call for thousands of families to suffer in poverty, maybe go homeless or starve. Just because you wanted more ammo capacity in a video game? Don't you think that's a bit childish? The common term for it is 'entitled brat'.
hehe my oh my you can't get off that subject good to know your so fixed on it
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🍋 Lemonfed 🍋 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:06 
Are you drunk ?
#23
hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:06 
引用自 Lemonfed：
Are you drunk ?
are you?
#24
Nomad 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:06 
引用自 hamster1000：
引用自 TRASH：
You really wanna know? In this thread you essentially call for thousands of families to suffer in poverty, maybe go homeless or starve. Just because you wanted more ammo capacity in a video game? Don't you think that's a bit childish? The common term for it is 'entitled brat'.
hehe my oh my you can't get off that subject good to know your so fixed on it
It's the subject of the thread... which you made.
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Nomad 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:07 
引用自 Lemonfed：
Are you drunk ?
Seems more like 11 than drunk.
#26
hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:07 
引用自 TRASH：
引用自 hamster1000：
hehe my oh my you can't get off that subject good to know your so fixed on it
It's the subject of the thread... which you made.
look do me a favor if your going to gas light at least do it right and do it big so i can have some fun with it at least
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hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:08 
引用自 TRASH：
引用自 Lemonfed：
Are you drunk ?
Seems more like 11 than drunk.
well to be honest i have what ever your drinking and smoking because clearly your drug is better then my's atm
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hamster1000 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:10 
引用自 The nameless Commander：
Judging by how popular annual sports releases and big FPS franchises are despite minimal or no differences between games whatsoever, I don't think the majority of players has high expectations to begin with.
yeah sports is a thing i don't see that going away any time soon
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Crazy Tiger 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:13 
引用自 hamster1000：
how much more longer we going to put up with poor designed lazy games?
People who aren't you like things you don't like. That's simply something you have to deal with.

引用自 hamster1000：
my standard is simple and small let me have my own freedom of choice don't force me to work with limits with in reason
Then create your own game and don't play one created by others who have a different idea of how they want their game to be.

引用自 hamster1000：
boycotting has never worked?
Boycotting never worked, simply for the fact that gamers aren't a homogeneous group. Some gamers may boycott a game/company, others will buy and play that stuff anyway.

引用自 hamster1000：
引用自 TRASH：
Tell me which franchises died as a result of boycotting
why do i need to hold your hand and connect the dots for you can't you go on a leap of faith?
You're the one making a claim, the burden of proving said claim is on you.
最後修改者：Crazy Tiger; 2021 年 10 月 13 日 上午 12:14
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