Unpopular opinion about cancel culture

[BiggerBoss]

This is something that's been on my mind ever since we've seen the results of things like the #metoo movement.

Cancel Culture, for the few good things it has done as far as exposing unrepentant manipulative monsters, has also done alot of harm in going way too far with allegations that are either trivial or sometimes not even true. Also personally, I'm just as tired of people acting like they're smug and better than other people when they see that someone was outed for doing something horrible or disgusting. It makes me think that it's not about being a seeker of moral justice, but just feeling better about yourself and patting yourself on the back after seeing someone's comeuppance. I also feel like, regardless of whether the person truly deserves it or not: Cancel Culture can be mentally taxing and cause more harm than anything the alleged person has done to a victim. Mainly because they have to be reminded of it everyday when just trying to browse the internet or go on the street. It's especially unfair for the few people out there who are genuinely apologetic and want to become better people.

I don't know if I'm alone in feeling this way, but I'm personally just sick of it from all angles. I don't defend the people who have done truly horrible and manipulative things, but at the same time I think the internet and human beings are incredibly unforgiving and negative. There's way too many examples of how even the smallest thing has ruined someone's life as far as the cancel culture lynch mob, but as far as like...the people who were proven innocent or is not a big deal: I'd probably turn to the case of Justine Sacco and Projared most of all if you wanna look into them. I personally try to be positive and think that when someone is held accountable, you want to rehabilitate them for their crimes, such as people like Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein. Even then though, I always feel like constantly putting them down doesn't make us any better people. But i get it, some people are beyond hope. Again I'm just sick of negativity from both sides.

Cancel culture has become nothing more than a witch hunt. You can hold people accountable without being a smug jerk trying to gain clout. Instead try to be better and show that you're someone who wants true morals and justice.

Sorry if this was a long rant, I needed to get that off my chest. I hope people actually read this. I know most people will say "TL;DR". But this is important.

[BiggerBoss]

Origineel geplaatst door Gus the Crocodile:

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

I also feel like, regardless of whether the person truly deserves it or not: Cancel Culture can be mentally taxing and cause more harm than anything the alleged person has done to a victim. Mainly because they have to be reminded of it everyday when just trying to browse the internet or go on the street. It's especially unfair for the few people out there who are genuinely apologetic and want to become better people.

Wont somebody think of the, uh, abusers??

It is not “unfair” for there to be consequences for ♥♥♥♥♥♥ behaviour.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

I don't know if I'm alone in feeling this way

You are definitely not alone. Moaning about “cancel culture” is practically its own industry by now.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

There's way too many examples of how even the smallest thing has ruined someone's life as far as the cancel culture lynch mob

No there aren’t. There are practically no examples.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

I personally try to be positive and think that when someone is held accountable, you want to rehabilitate them for their crimes, such as people like Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.

Nobody making mean tweets about sexual abusers is preventing Weinstein from going to therapy.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

Even then though, I always feel like constantly putting them down doesn't make us any better people. But i get it, some people are beyond hope. Again I'm just sick of negativity from both sides.

Then stop reading about these topics? People aren’t going to stop criticising poor behaviour, and nor should they.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

Cancel culture has become nothing more than a witch hunt. You can hold people accountable without being a smug jerk trying to gain clout.

Not if every time someone’s held accountable you’re going to call it “negativity” and complain about it.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

Instead try to be better and show that you're someone who wants true morals and justice.

This is nonsense. Accountability isn’t a competition to be won. You don’t solve a problem by leaving it alone but being better yourself. Not least because you’re already better than comedians who pull their junk out in front of people or whoever, by virtue of not doing that.

Obviously, it's not a black and white issue, personally that's almost NEVER the case, there is always nuance. Everyone is going to have their biases, especially if it's personal. But I feel like as the years go by and thanks to current social media, you pretty much can't avoid hearing about someone's dirty laundry that we're all supposed to be outraged about, and how we all have to choose a side. I think it's pretty justified to be sick of it, sick of hearing about how someone did an oopsie or is truly a monster or whatever, an then seeing a community be like "let him hang, I always knew that guy was scum....glad I'm better than that guy, what a creep, etc etc.". And if we are going to care or at least "act like" we do...we should always consider evidence first before jumping on an outrage bandwagon. I mean jeez, think about someone like Michael Jackson who even AFTER he was PROVEN INNOCENT in a court of law, people still can't let go of allegations even after he's been dead for over 10 YEARS. Like are we any different from the people 100s of years ago burning witches at the Salem trials? The only difference is now we do it with things like Twitter.

[Plaid]

Origineel geplaatst door MikeBob2013:

I think it all started with "Freedom Fries" several years back, and it's only gotten worse since then (much worse).

My mom used to say, "As you sow, so shall you reap," and I only need to take a look at how things are in the world today to know that she was right about that.

No one is guiltless, and anyone who points an accusing finger at anyone else is just a hypocrite.

Including me, which is why I don't take sides in anything anymore.

Here on the Internet, in forums like this one, people fight, bicker, and argue, tooth and nail, night and day, and for what?

At the end of the day, nothing is made any better by it anywhere. And the next day the hostilities pick up right where they left off the day before.

People are understandably upset when they are lied to or cheated in some way.
In a system that encourages lying and cheating, you might find a lot of upset people.

[Luis the Uma Loving Wizard]

Cancel culture to some looks like a necessary evil. I’m not one of them. Unfortunately the majority are Twitter users who like to jump into conclusions with a “guilty is always guilty until maybe they are proven innocent?” mentality as I like to call it.

[Phoenix]

Origineel geplaatst door Your_White_Knight:

Origineel geplaatst door Phoenix:

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- Religious, political, and other “prone to huge arguments” threads

Man, talk about irony.

This has nothing to do with religion or politics... but you did make OP's point about cancel culture

*Woosh*

[Your_White_Knight]

Origineel geplaatst door Phoenix:

Origineel geplaatst door Your_White_Knight:

This has nothing to do with religion or politics... but you did make OP's point about cancel culture

*Woosh*

Trying to think they're clever by claiming irony isn't ironic... it's moronic... *Woosh* yourself.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

I mean jeez, think about someone like Michael Jackson who even AFTER he was PROVEN INNOCENT in a court of law, people still can't let go of allegations even after he's been dead for over 10 YEARS.

Nobody is “proven innocent” in a court of law. They are declared not guilty. That is not the same thing.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

Like are we any different from the people 100s of years ago burning witches at the Salem trials? The only difference is now we do it with things like Twitter.

Talking about things instead of burning people alive seems like a pretty substantial difference to me. Seriously, listen to yourself here.

[No More]

There are some people who get caught up in situations that they were not involved in, but this is rare.

The majority of people crying about cancel culture are essentially just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who don't want to face any consequences for their actions. The people crying about it the loudest also happen to have global platforms that help propagate their voice.

You know how easy it is to not be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Incredibly easy!

But it's very profitable to drive traffic to your youtube or IG as the dummies who are terrified of cancel culture are also very easily parted from their money.

[BiggerBoss]

Origineel geplaatst door NewbieThot Games = Time waste :X:

There are some people who get caught up in situations that they were not involved in, but this is rare.

The majority of people crying about cancel culture are essentially just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who don't want to face any consequences for their actions. The people crying about it the loudest also happen to have global platforms that help propagate their voice.

You know how easy it is to not be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Incredibly easy!

But it's very profitable to drive traffic to your youtube or IG as the dummies who are terrified of cancel culture are also very easily parted from their money.

Yeah true, and unfortunately those are the type of people who are just never going to change and are irredeemable, sad to say. That's why it makes me feel bad for anyone who honestly DOES want to be better and have made huge strides to do so, because people are either disillusioned, or they just don't care.

On another note, I feel I should say as much as I personally am sick of cancel culture, I guess it's human nature to be glued to drama, like a train wreck its hard to look away. I include myself in the sea of people who do this. So when I criticize, I also include myself in that criticism.

[Phoenix]

Origineel geplaatst door Your_White_Knight:

Origineel geplaatst door Phoenix:

*Woosh*

Trying to think they're clever by claiming irony isn't ironic... it's moronic... *Woosh* yourself.

So is white-knighting while calling yourself Your_White_Knight, so there's that I guess.

[what?]

The fundamental issue with cancel culture is that it only targets particular cases. Not many racist tirades by a non-white is met with backlash. The vocal majority (there are plenty of loudmouth snakes on that side that have done well to twist reality) see to it those cases are hidden or justified.

Cancel culture isn't the issue, though you all blame it as such - unconsciously, the real problem you are observing is the injustice.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

The modern internet has given the overly sensitive collective cry babies to Target even the most minor of things and attempt to forcibly remove it from the public.

Look at Chris Pratt and what went on there. He didn't do anything objectionable, he just didn't think it was appropriate for him to talk about his political views which is 100% acceptable.

I friggin hate it.

[Dracoco OwO]

I don't see how it's an unpopular opinion to see cancel culture as the cesspool of ♥♥♥♥ it is.

[BiggerBoss]

Origineel geplaatst door Dracoco OwO:

I don't see how it's an unpopular opinion to see cancel culture as the cesspool of ♥♥♥♥ it is.

Maybe so. But more often than not, I see way more people contributing to the lynch mob than I do people trying to be rational and reasonable. If someone just simply speaks out against it, you could be accused of defending a piece of crap person even if you clearly aren't.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

The problem is cancel culture doesn't come for the truly horrible people out there, it tends to go for it's political opponents

Take Chic-Fil-A. what did they do to deserve a cancellation? They donated to various Christian groups. 2 namely. The Salvation Army which provides all sorts of stuff for the poor and homeless along with women shelters. And they donated to a group that ran a summer camp but they've also had a few members of that group support gay-conversion therapy, willing gay conversion therapy. Nothing really horrible about either of those groups and yet people protest outside of their eateries and demand that they close.

I have an unpopular opinion on cancel cultures, I think the only way through the storm is through it. So to end cancel culture we need to endorse cancel culture. We need to use it as a weapon against people who would wield that power. So pretty much any hollywood actor or company or celebrity who wants to play around with cancel culture then nail them. They've probably has something we can find offensive in their past.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Origineel geplaatst door Gus the Crocodile:

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

I mean jeez, think about someone like Michael Jackson who even AFTER he was PROVEN INNOCENT in a court of law, people still can't let go of allegations even after he's been dead for over 10 YEARS.

Nobody is “proven innocent” in a court of law. They are declared not guilty. That is not the same thing.

Origineel geplaatst door BiggerBoss:

Like are we any different from the people 100s of years ago burning witches at the Salem trials? The only difference is now we do it with things like Twitter.

Talking about things instead of burning people alive seems like a pretty substantial difference to me. Seriously, listen to yourself here.

In America you're innocent until proven guilty, so while a court might find you not guilty, the burden is on the government to find guilt, the burden isn't on you to prove your innocents.

And while they "talk" things through on Twitter, they also kill people for opinions. Look at Ashli Babbitt. Sure she wasn't burned at the stake, but she was murdered for having a different opinion and her death was covered up.