Knowledge vs Intelligence

[Messy]

Which one should be valued more


Knowledge is important, but someone can get scholarships and end up being the most irrational decision makers who feel 10x more than they think(look at journalists). Also knowledge can be easily replaced with "knowledge", which leads to brainwashing.
Kate: "Yuhr entire demographic is pure evil, I've been educated"
Frank: " Educated? More like brainwashed "


Intelligence is impressive, but its also stagnant and can't be increased like knowledge. People with bellow average IQs can end up living normal lives anyway. Also while a high IQ can increase your luck, its not really a massive game changer if youre not equally as massively passionate.
Eugene: "Ma IQ is 145"
Pedro: "Cool, what do you do"
Eugene: "I don't have a job"

[Holografix]

Masque of Clavicus Vile님이 먼저 게시:

I would beat Lil' Yachty like a redheaded stepchild on Jeopardy, but he's still more intelligent than me, because he can become a multimillionaire selling garbage beats to gullible people.

I can't do that. I'm not intelligent enough to be able to do that.

it was only a matter of time before someone necro'd the whole rich = intelligence notion.

[Captain Morgan]

Knowledge can trigger intelligence amplification/enhancement, given the right circumstances. Also, being intelligent but lacking knowledge, can lead into horrible mistakes or misconceptions, errors in judgement, etc. Lacking knowledge (and consequently cunning, experience, practicality) is worse than being naturally very smart. Innate talents always need to cater to, constantly care for, carefully expand upon. Finding readily available "provisions", which is the byproduct of (mind) work and/or legacy of other people with talent left behind, is much more valuable to me.

[Holografix]

Captain Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

Knowledge can trigger intelligence amplification/enhancement, given the right circumstances. Also, being intelligent but lacking knowledge, can lead into horrible mistakes or misconceptions, errors in judgement, etc. Lacking knowledge (and consequently cunning, experience, practicality) is worse than being naturally very smart. Innate talents always need to cater to, care for, carefully expand upon. Finding "provisions" readily available, which is the byproduct and/or legacy of other people with talent left behind, is much more valuable to me.

Knowledge of pharmacology aka Jekyll & Hyde can trigger intelligence 'dampeners.'
But again, it was only a matter of time before someone necro'd the whole 'intelligence is inherently dangerous' notion.

I suppose knowledge can be tied to 'exp' or 'cunning' but there are countless pop parables where a bookish individual is presumed to lack these other talents. And it seems that you value Resourcefulness more than anything else.

[Captain Morgan]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Knowledge of pharmacology aka Jekyll & Hyde can trigger intelligence 'dampeners.'
But again, it was only a matter of time before someone necro'd the whole 'intelligence is inherently dangerous' notion. :styx3:

I suppose knowledge can be tied to 'exp' or 'cunning' but there are countless pop parables where a bookish individual is presumed to lack these other talents. And it seems that you value Resourcefulness more than anything else.

You got it wrong. Intelligence is neither dangerous, nor did i ever said that. Not being utilized properly and it lacking, or even clashing with knowledge, could be dangerous, is what i implied. As for resourcefulness, hollow knowledge can also prevent it. If for example a person reads many useful things but remains in the exact state of mind, then that is even worse.

It's more like "working to become something", instead of "being born as something". Naturally born geniuses are certainly nice and their talent great to have, but more credit is due to somebody who worked hard to reach a similar place and trust me... There are many who do.

[Holografix]

Captain Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Knowledge of pharmacology aka Jekyll & Hyde can trigger intelligence 'dampeners.'
But again, it was only a matter of time before someone necro'd the whole 'intelligence is inherently dangerous' notion.

I suppose knowledge can be tied to 'exp' or 'cunning' but there are countless pop parables where a bookish individual is presumed to lack these other talents. And it seems that you value Resourcefulness more than anything else.

You got it wrong. Intelligence is neither dangerous, nor did i ever said that. Not being utilized properly and it lacking, or even clashing with knowledge, could be dangerous, is what i implied. As for resourcefulness, hollow knowledge can also prevent it. If for example a person reads many useful things but remains in the exact state of mind, then that is even worse.

It's more like "working to become something", instead of "being born as something". Naturally born geniuses are certainly nice and their talent great to have, but more credit is due to somebody who worked hard to reach a similar place and trust me... There are many who do.

let's do it right, no slurred syllables ok?

- You implied that 'intelligence is dangerous sometimes' and that is simply an old wives' tale.
- Your point about 'hollow knowledge' is mostly about knowledge retention.
- And you seem to value giving credit to those that have reached a certain social status position? Which i believe is based on being resourceful?

I think i pretty much got your point, both times.

[Captain Morgan]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

let's do it right, no slurred syllables ok?

- You implied that 'intelligence is dangerous sometimes' and that is simply an old wives' tale.
- Your point about 'hollow knowledge' is mostly about knowledge retention.
- And you seem to value giving credit to those that have reached a certain social status position? Which i believe is based on being resourceful?

I think i pretty much got your point, both times. :styx:

People with knowledge can listen to others, before they speak. People with intelligence dabble in monologue more. It could be partly due to the "confidence" that a natural talent brings forth... Besides, based on my wording ("more valuable to me"), it is clear that my opinion is personal.

[snlᴉʇnɐNɔᴉɯsoƆ]

As a multiracial bisexual I can ignore all of the political noise and contribute my full amount of apathy towards social justice warriors and the LGBTQAWTF people.

-edit- Much love to the asians. Stop that hate.

[Holografix]

Captain Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

let's do it right, no slurred syllables ok?

- You implied that 'intelligence is dangerous sometimes' and that is simply an old wives' tale.
- Your point about 'hollow knowledge' is mostly about knowledge retention.
- And you seem to value giving credit to those that have reached a certain social status position? Which i believe is based on being resourceful?

I think i pretty much got your point, both times.

People with knowledge can listen to others, before they speak. People with intelligence dabble in monologue more. It could be partly due to the "confidence" that a natural talent brings forth... Besides, based on my wording ("more valuable to me"), it is clear that my opinion is personal.

i don't know. How can you listen to others BEFORE they speak? Isn't that just listening to silence? But that's the joke, isn't it? That intelligent people shut others up via their confident yammering? A tired cliche, tbh.

But perhaps their constant yammering is tied to their natural talent of glibbness rather than intelligence? Monologue being tied to being glib, of course. Students listen to teachers -- i'm sure you're not suggesting that the students have more knowledge?

[iceman1980]

If you look at intelligence in it's two forms which is what psychologists use. Crystallised and Fluid (GI / General Intelligence) GI affects how fast you can learn or do certain tasks, now one thing that is interesting to note that GI can be manipulated by training the working memory. This refers to your "working space" memory most people can store at most 7 independent things give or take 2 extra. Working memory can be trained and has been shown to affect IQ pretty significantly. That being said the working memory can not be extended beyond the 7 independent items but there are techniques to get around the storage of information, association is one technique, visualisation is another.

Crystallised is what you are referring to when it comes to knowledge. This is patterns / rules learned over time.

[Holografix]

Product ∏님이 먼저 게시:

If you look at intelligence in it's two forms which is what psychologists use. Crystallised and Fluid (GI / General Intelligence) GI affects how fast you can learn or do certain tasks, now one thing that is interesting to note that GI can be manipulated by training the working memory. This refers to your "working space" memory most people can store at most 7 independent things give or take 2 extra. Working memory can be trained and has been shown to affect IQ pretty significantly.

All people need to do is to remember that they are smart. Ginko biloba for GI. Problem solved. As for crystallized, don't forget those. lol

[iceman1980]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Product ∏님이 먼저 게시:

If you look at intelligence in it's two forms which is what psychologists use. Crystallised and Fluid (GI / General Intelligence) GI affects how fast you can learn or do certain tasks, now one thing that is interesting to note that GI can be manipulated by training the working memory. This refers to your "working space" memory most people can store at most 7 independent things give or take 2 extra. Working memory can be trained and has been shown to affect IQ pretty significantly.

All people need to do is to remember that they are smart. Ginko biloba for GI. Problem solved.

It's not that simple. I've actually done quite a lot of reading about intelligence / memory and done some pretty deep introspection. I can recall massive amounts of information but sometimes I recall so much it kind of crashes my working memory. I can explain in detail the thinking process which most people just look at me dumb founded how I can retain and access that amount of information.

I have an edict memory. I can even while going to sleep in (Alpha-wave state) entire worlds rendered in real time and see them through my eyes. I can literally see entire places I've never seen. (I'll let you guess why I can do this)

[Holografix]

Product ∏님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

All people need to do is to remember that they are smart. Ginko biloba for GI. Problem solved.

It's not that simple. I've actually done quite a lot of reading about intelligence / memory and done some pretty deep introspection. I can recall massive amounts of information but sometimes I recall so much it kind of crashes my working memory. I can explain in detail the thinking process which most people just look at me dumb founded how I can retain and access that amount of information.

I have an edict memory. I can even while going to sleep in (Alpha-wave state) entire worlds rendered in real time and see them through my eyes. I can literally see entire places I've never seen. (I'll let you guess why I can do this)

"analysis paralysis?"

Either way, theories about intelligence being tied to memory are suspect. People with Eidetic memory aren't inherently more intelligent than people with normal memory recall.

[iceman1980]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Product ∏님이 먼저 게시:

It's not that simple. I've actually done quite a lot of reading about intelligence / memory and done some pretty deep introspection. I can recall massive amounts of information but sometimes I recall so much it kind of crashes my working memory. I can explain in detail the thinking process which most people just look at me dumb founded how I can retain and access that amount of information.

"analysis paralysis?"

I'm constantly revising my level of understanding and improvement to my existing knowledge. This is an active process. School gave me Atoms / Rutherford models of atomic constellations I was unhappy with it. Because I knew what was being taught didn't even scratch the surface of what reality actually was.

So outside school I now pursue the knowledge to really understand it. (bare in mind I left school long ago)

[Holografix]

Product ∏님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

"analysis paralysis?"

I'm constantly revising my level of understanding and improvement to my existing knowledge. This is an active process. School gave me Atoms / Rutherford models of atomic constellations I was unhappy with it. Because I knew what was being taught didn't even scratch the surface of what reality actually was.

So outside school I now pursue the knowledge to really understand it.(bare in mind I left school long ago)

I find discussing mental and brain processes using 'machine' or 'computer' metaphors distasteful.

*it's 'bear in mind'

[iceman1980]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Product ∏님이 먼저 게시:

I'm constantly revising my level of understanding and improvement to my existing knowledge. This is an active process. School gave me Atoms / Rutherford models of atomic constellations I was unhappy with it.

I find discussing mental and brain processes using 'machine' or 'computer' metaphors distasteful.

Not really the brain does emulate a computer on quite a few levels. Including binary representation we just don't know how long term memory actually works. We know about dendritic and synaptic re-enforcement but we don't know how memory is actually stored.

Rat brains were blended up then mixed and injected resulting in the blended brain the brain being able to access the other rats memories.