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Even though we see many indie games released on both egs and steam now. Even after what epic did with UE fees, EOS, Apple lawsuit, etc, haters still use the same old case as if it still relevant.
This is why I always wonder what kind of brain cancer that epic haters has. Why epic is the one to blame if game developers who signed exclusive deals got hated and death threats? Aren't people who sent the death threats should be the one to blame for their entitled behavior? And you spent $10 on crowd funded games doesn't justify that behavior.
We are in the time of critic boycott, really? I don't recall that ever happened. Most people use mainstream media, youtube game channels, or twitch to decide if they want to buy the games.
User review is good, but not without any fault. Unfortunately a lot of gamers are trigger happy. They can review bomb a game for reasons that are not related to said game. So I don't really trust user reviews either.
Suit yourself. But third party discussion platform like discord is more popular than steam forums now. Many games are released on multiple platforms now, it is harder for developers to maintain support and discussion if they are using different tools for different platforms. Thats why many devs move to discord, reddit, etc to unite all platforms support and maintain neutrality.
There were a few others aswell, as I'd mentioned, you're just thinking of the most publicised and atrocious example that actually manifested into reality, as was I. A company of this size doesn't have room to make mistakes like these, it's no wonder we bring up that example all the time, it's bloody terrible that was a thing in the first place, there's no forgiveness to be had, nor any forgetting. If most people who say something controversial on the internet can lose their job and job opportunities for their entire life, why can't companies? Have some accountability, have some integrity!
If we're talking about crowdfunded games, don't you even go there, don't you try that "well, actually, you were supporting the development of a game, that doesn't give you the right to control their business actions" with me, maybe that works with the Reddit people, but I'm not giving any ground on that front, at all. I'm not defending the people behind that behaviour, not now, not ever, but Epic knew it would happen, Epic knew the small indie company's reputation was destroyed after that move, Epic knew they were completely F'ing over Steam users with that move, Epic didn't care about the users, nor did it care about the indie company it was bending in half. Jumping directly to the degenerates making death threats to small indie devs to avoid my argument doesn't make yours suddenly valid.
I'm referring to the sites that Epic Games refers to when posting 3rd party reviews on the store page as reference, sites like PC Gamer. If you want to get into game critics of that scale, I got all day, and I'm willing to sit here and explain absolutely every single injustice they've done to everything I can possibly think of. I'm not referring to small Youtube channels with 100k subs, etc, they don't deserve to be grouped with the IGN reviewers. Also, when you refer to "review bombing", what did the developers do to get review bombed? You act like they're innocent, and since my words on the forum aren't worth anything to the devs, I may aswell start speaking their language.
Tell me what the "few others" games that epic rejected? Other than darq? Don't call yourself a critic, consumers advocate, or level minded if you don't bring any fact to this discussion.
The developer of darq was offered an exclusive deals. He reject it and offer non exclusive release instead, then epic reject it. What is wrong with not accepting a business partnership if it doesn't suit you at that time?
It is common for a digital distribution to reject or removed games from their store. Even steam did that for games like Devotion and Six days in fallujah due to political controversy.
Do you think it's also terrible for steam to do that? Or will you excuse steam to reject indie games just because it's your favorite store?
Well yeah, investing some money into a project doesn't make you the owner or stakeholder of that project . Like if you buy 0.000001% of Facebook shares, do you think you can dictate Facebook just like Mark Zuckerberg? Of course not.
If you contribute to crowdfunded games, you're an investor, not customers. As an investor you should know that you won't always get a 100% of your expectations. That includes the change in how the product is going to be distributed.
Oh yeah, because I know epic haters are egomaniac, entitled and violent, I should submit and do whatever they want. Doesn't matter if I can't pay my bills, or have a child with condition, or my business not growing, I should listen to them!
See how stupid that sounds?
There are people who hate you just for breathing next to them. There are people who will hate you for whatever you do. If epic submit to each and every haters, the company will bankrupt in no time. Epic and game developers should only care for customers who are willing to use their services. Not steam fanboys nor haters.
Epic use opencritic to aggregate the reviews. When you click "see all reviews" link, it will redirect you to opencritic.com.
If you don't trust pcgamer, or ign, there are dozens other from both corporate and independent reviewers. If you still don't trust them, that's on you.
Something like this?
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1335006361084686338?s=20
Or this?
https://kotaku.com/borderlands-is-getting-review-bombed-on-steam-over-epic-1833818454
And yeah, I don't see accepting epic exclusive deals is wrong for any reason. Especially since gearbox never promised to release Borderlands 3 on steam.
9. Use of Data
i think ive just subconsciously waited for someone to tell me all this time
Skatebird
Tekken 7 (the exact quote from Namco's SPV of marketing, which highly implicates they had received the same offer: "So for instance, I don’t see any point of putting Tekken 7 on Epic Store,” Hoerdt said. “We want our content to be available for as many fans as possible.”)
And Darq
Those are the games which REJECTED the Epic game store, however when I referred to the most atrocious example of Epic exclusivity, I was referring to ooblets, which had accepted the offer. ooblets had also promised Steam keys, they were considered void after the deal, in exchange for an Epic key.
This is absolutely no surprise, to anyone, we already know that is Epic's business model, as stated, this is why we're against them, they show no intentions of stopping, and neither do I.
The Tekken example also shows it's not entirely indie games either.
There is a difference between rejecting indie games for low quality, and telling them they're either completely barred from the site, or on it exclusively.
Name 1 game that was offered an exclusivity deal, and allowed to be sold on the Epic Games store? I think if your narrative that this isn't this case is, against the developer's words, I'd first like to see an example of the oxymoron. It is anti-developer, because it tarnishes the reputation of the company. Why does Epic need to declare Steam keys void? They know the indie company will have no integrity left after the accept the deal, it's purely the fault of Epic Games for offering these deals in the first place, requiring Steam keys be exchanged for Epic keys.
It's not that we're angry they did what was best for their business, it was that they were coerced into screwing us out of our steam keys. We're angry at both Epic, as well as the developers that accepted the deal, but Epic was the one that made up the insidious terms, not the indie developers. They had promised Steam keys, which is why many of us invested in them in the first place, otherwise they wouldn't even have a company, and they screwed over our trust with the help of Epic.
And how do you categorise if someone is an Epic hater, an Epic critic, or just a Steam fanboy that wants to run down everything other than Steam? The company wouldn't even have a product half developed if us, the people, didn't invest in it, they lied to us, their hand was forced for the exact reasons you just explicitly named. If Epic cared, they'd offer an investment proposition to help fund their game, not have a "join us or GTFO" mentality, that's harming both the fans, and the developer, it's in your best interests to be against that sort of concept.
I'd also like to clarify that Reddit, Discord and other forum sites, don't have measured user reviews, only experiences with the game. Due to previously mentioned review bombing, I also can't trust metacritic, when referring specifically to indie games. Epic protects both the indie games they've snatched, and the AAA publishers by hiding user reviews. I shouldn't need a 3rd party site to decide if a game is good or not, Epic knows this by now, but it benefits their narrative.
If a product has been review bombed, there is no sympathy, if you have potentially 70+k owners of a game, who were interested in your product enough to buy it, angry at you, you've done something horribly wrong. It doesn't affect me personally, nor do I care, nor should anyone with even a hint of integrity care, if a game is "review bombed", there's a good reason you shouldn't buy the game, be it political reasons, or gameplay reasons.
Gearbox didn't promise, but other indie developers did, and Epic knew that, they actively sabotaged the market and fans.
I also cannot righteously support a company with claims of abuse any further, just as I boycotted Ubisoft for it. That is unacceptable behaviour, and should be condemned.
OpenCritic is awful. They only publish corporate review scores. They don't calculate average user score at all and they don't even accept user reviews until a game has been released for 72 hours.
Origin tos section 9 where it literraly says use of dota or collection of data or something like that
It just took a duckduckgo search ,come on yoo
valve best of best))
Here you just blabbering about how epic is bad while ignoring everything good about it. You even keep using epic deprecated policies about not accepting non exclusive indie games as if it still happening today.
See? That's why you're a bad critic. You keep blaming epic for something they never do. Did Namco ever tried to list their games on egs? Namco produced mostly AAA games, I'm sure egs will accept their games as non exclusive just like cyberpunk.
The one who void the steam keys is steam itself. After metro exodus exclusive deals, steam made a new policy to only generate steam keys if the game is sold on steam. Exclusive deals with epic prevent developers to sell games on other platform but epic. So it's not really epic fault if ooblets devs can't distribute steam keys.
Lol no. The one who thought that developers are losing their integrity after accepting epic deals are steam fanboys and epic haters. Most gamers don't really care about it. Epic and game developers should ignore them. Lots of games are sold pretty well on steam after exclusive period is over anyway.
Steam is the one who screwed your steam keys. Not egs or developers who accept epic deals.
Promise is not a binding contract. Before egs, developers have no choice but to release their games on steam because 70%+ of pc games market is here. Now devs are more careful to announce which platform they want to support. Some of them just labeled their games with PC logo instead of steam.
Simple, see the problem from epic perspective, developers perspective mainstream gamer perspective, steam fanboys perspective, and epic haters perspective.
Uuhhh "the people"? You talk as if everyone on earth is against epic. There are steam users who don't mind having an epic account and buy from egs. And I'm sure the number aren't small.
Why would epic fund games that will give the competitors 30% of its revenue? That's business suicide.
Or let's put it this way, if valve care, they would allow developers to distribute the steam keys even if the game is not sold on steam. But valve said GTFO unless you sell the games here. See it can go both ways, and I don't see you criticise valve for doing that.
The one who harmed developers are steam fanboys and epic haters. And the one who harm steam fanboys and epic haters are themselves. They can just buy the game on egs, but they let their ego stop them from playing the games they want.
What are you talking about? I never said reddit and discord have review system. Game discussion board and game review are two different things.
I admit review is one of egs biggest weakness. But that doesn't mean they can't sell games, that doesn't mean they can't sell exclusive games.
Cut the crap. What kind of critic justify review bombing for political reasons? You're just an egomaniac like everyone elso who hate egs.
When you give $60, the dev is obligated to give you a license to play the game they made and give support for a period of time. You can criticize the game but not their political beliefs or their business decisions.
I wonder how the developer promise to release their games on steam? Did they swear to you in the name of dog or something? When they said that, did you feel like you already owned the game?
When they said they will release the game on steam, most of them did, even though it's a year after egs release. So they keep their promises anyway.