what do you think of marriage?

[ambi]

so some dude in finland got married, his wife cheated and gave birth to another man's child.

the husband is now required to pay alimony and child support since the wife kept the cheating secret for two years.

do you think people should pay for children that aren't theirs?

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/news-in-brief/18184-finnish-man-ordered-by-court-to-pay-alimony-for-a-child-resulting-from-has-wife-cheating-with-another-man.html

THE HELSINKI COURT OF APPEAL has upheld the verdict given by the district court that a man has to pay alimony for a child which is not biologically his, and was the result of his wife cheating on him with another man.

[Holografix]

引用自 chiefputsilao✖️ping：

引用自 Holografix：

Bezos can pay for all the children.

Drone-Bezos says: All your childrens are belong to me

and jeff says, " all the secretaries are belong to me".

Prime Shipping-Bezos says: All your boxes are belong to me

[Dominic]

Kids not mine I should not have to pay for them.

I would leave the girl I feel but I feel I would not leave the kid. The kid did nothing wrong to me.

As for getting married I would if it was the only way me and a girl could spend are life's together.

[Pigeon Pecking Keyboard]

Have anyone thought about that child being effectively the husband's child for 2 years?

Look, it's not black and white. From the husband's point of view, biologically, not my child. Emotionally and all that jazz - yes. It's a really bad situation, you look at your child, love and hate is all jumbled up. The child that provided free joy to you in the past. You all heard stories of how fathers will lay their lives down for their children.

From the wife's point of view, if she gave up a career to be the primary child carer at that time, a choice that both husband and wife took together (though under the illusion of the child being biological his) she need some time to get back to financial independence. Or maybe she was an abused wife.

From the child's point of view, I didn't ask to be born. And now I have no home or food. I don;t know Finnish law, but I am guessing they made the decision for the child's sake.

The way a story is framed can impact our impression. I don't have the details of this case but likely this is not about men's right, it's about protecting a defenseless child. I figure the next step is to find the biological father then have him take over the child support.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-women-are-paying-alimonythat-includes-supporting-their-exs-porn-habit-2018-05-23

[Jingshen]

引用自 Spud the Spud：

That's happened here in the States, already, more than once. Get a paternity test right away, and NOT at the hospital. Hospital staff have been known to fudge the results, and it's not something you want to have any uncertainty about.

These days, marriage to women is a bad idea for men. It's a fine idea for women, and men marrying men is a fine idea too. This is a result of our marriage/divorce laws.

引用自 Jingshen：

No I don't think that anyone should legally have to provide financial support for a child that is not biologically theirs.

However I will point out that no child has asked to be born and it is our duty as adults to ensure children are protected and nurtured.

Discuss!

That duty belongs to the two people responsible. Not to anybody else. From there it can be argued that society *might* have a responsibility if the parents die, but there's a lot of options (family, adoption, etc) for that to go before it's flat out government funded.

Yes, normally I'd agree. In the first instance the responsibility sits with the biological parents. However a real man and a real woman will step up and do the necessary to ensure that the child is looked after and cared for. Anything else undermines society.

[Holografix]

The Helsinki court considered the man obliged to pay maintenance to the child, as he is the child’s legal father under the Paternity Act.

The district court ruled in its judgment that the maintenance obligation is the child’s right.

It's about the child, not the parents.

[Doctor Go-Go]

Yeah, so if she's divorced or unmarried with kids that's why most fellas think GOODBYE!

The legal system is not fair, they feel the citizens should pay for EVERYTHING! Even if it's not their mess.

Two sides to every story. The government doesn't want to pay for it even though they don't mind collecting taxes from everyone. They would rather use their hair-splitting discriminatory bombastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ policies to ♥♥♥♥ someone else into paying for it. She made a mistake he made a mistake when he got involved with her. Why should he get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for both her as well as his mistake?

[Doctor Go-Go]

引用自 Holografix：

引用自 Doctor Go-Go：

Yeah, so if she's divorced or unmarried with kids that's why most fellas think GOODBYE!

The legal system is not fair, they feel the citizens should pay for EVERYTHING! Even if it's not their mess.

Two sides to every story. The government doesn't want to pay for it even though they don't mind collecting taxes from everyone. They would rather use their hair-splitting discriminatory bombastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ policies to ♥♥♥♥ someone else into paying for it. She made a mistake he made a mistake when he got involved with her. Why should he get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for both her as well as his mistake?

This is the argument he probably used in court and that's why he lost. It's all emotion and no logic.

Yeah, it's all bombastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The legal system is the FUBU of weasels. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rewarding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[RTSsence]

引用自 Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍：

I loved married life.

And if a man marries a woman with a child, if he agrees to adopt the child so it's both of theirs then yeah he should pay the hell out of it.

This is just the reactionary behavior of people that don't understand leaving people in an amicable relationship respond.

And he can actually find a civil suit against the father get some genetic testing done and then hope it's his kid and your kid and I'm not your spouse anymore.

the courts work in simple ways you just have to figure out what those simple ways are.

Are you saying that the court's decision was a good one? Besides, She did have an affair behind his back. It's not like he married her knowing that she had a kid from a previous relationship.

[Naedmi]

Ehh.

Seems pretty sketchy to me, warrants an immediate divorce. I'd keep the kid in my life if the actual dad wanted nothing to do with it though.

[Holografix]

引用自 AGuy：

引用自 Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍：

I loved married life.

And if a man marries a woman with a child, if he agrees to adopt the child so it's both of theirs then yeah he should pay the hell out of it.

This is just the reactionary behavior of people that don't understand leaving people in an amicable relationship respond.

And he can actually find a civil suit against the father get some genetic testing done and then hope it's his kid and your kid and I'm not your spouse anymore.

the courts work in simple ways you just have to figure out what those simple ways are.

Are you saying that the court's decision was a good one? Besides, She did have an affair behind his back. It's not like he married her knowing that she had a kid from a previous relationship.

That reasoning is probably why the man lost because IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MAN OR THE WOMAN IT IS ABOUT THE CHILD AND THE CHILD'S RIGHTS.

[RTSsence]

引用自 Holografix：

引用自 AGuy：

Are you saying that the court's decision was a good one? Besides, She did have an affair behind his back. It's not like he married her knowing that she had a kid from a previous relationship.

That reasoning is probably why the man lost because IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MAN OR THE WOMAN IT IS ABOUT THE CHILD AND THE CHILD'S RIGHTS.

And what's the verdict of custody for the case exactly? If it's the cheating mother, then who knows what can kind of life the kid would have, I'd wager a terrible life. Same thing goes the other way if the non-biological guardian turned out to be a horrible person.

But, buttom line is that court rulings like this will only drive the percentage of the unmarried population high because of dumb court decisions. Mark my word.

Answer me this. How would you feel if you were in that same position yourself? You wouldn't sound so apathetic right now, would you?

[Holografix]

引用自 AGuy：

引用自 Holografix：

That reasoning is probably why the man lost because IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MAN OR THE WOMAN IT IS ABOUT THE CHILD AND THE CHILD'S RIGHTS.

And what's the verdict of custody for the case exactly? If it's the cheating mother, then who knows what can kind of life the kid would have, I'd wager a terrible life. Same thing goes the other way if the non-biological guardian turned out to be a horrible person.

But, buttom line is that court rulings like this will only drive the percentage of the unmarried population high because of dumb court decisions. Mark my word.

Answer me this. How would you feel if you were in that same position yourself? You wouldn't sound so apathetic right now, would you?

The details are about paying maintenance to the child. custody arrangments are not disclosed in the article. and don't put a curse on the child's life just because the legal case leaves a sour taste in your mouth. And no court decision EVER stopped people from engaging in all sorts of sexual behaviors. People do anything for a taste...men & women alike.

As for your question: i'm not apathetic. i'm glad the court could see past all the melodrama of the man&woman and focus on the child's welfare. the child was born in 2014, so s/he is only 6 years old!!

[RTSsence]

引用自 Holografix：

引用自 AGuy：

And what's the verdict of custody for the case exactly? If it's the cheating mother, then who knows what can kind of life the kid would have, I'd wager a terrible life. Same thing goes the other way if the non-biological guardian turned out to be a horrible person.

But, buttom line is that court rulings like this will only drive the percentage of the unmarried population high because of dumb court decisions. Mark my word.

Answer me this. How would you feel if you were in that same position yourself? You wouldn't sound so apathetic right now, would you?

The details are about paying maintenance to the child. custody arrangments are not disclosed in the article. and don't put a curse on the child's life just because the legal case leaves a sour taste in your mouth. And no court decision EVER stopped people from engaging in all sorts of sexual behaviors. People do anything for a taste...men & women alike.

As for your question: i'm not apathetic. i'm glad the court could see past all the melodrama of the man&woman and focus on the child's welfare. the child was born in 2014, so s/he is only 6 years old!!

It's not the only factor at play here. False accusations could also play a part in the rise of avoiding
the formation of deep bonds since you never know who is trustworthy and who isn't.

[Doctor Go-Go]

引用自 Holografix：

引用自 AGuy：

And what's the verdict of custody for the case exactly? If it's the cheating mother, then who knows what can kind of life the kid would have, I'd wager a terrible life. Same thing goes the other way if the non-biological guardian turned out to be a horrible person.

But, buttom line is that court rulings like this will only drive the percentage of the unmarried population high because of dumb court decisions. Mark my word.

Answer me this. How would you feel if you were in that same position yourself? You wouldn't sound so apathetic right now, would you?

The details are about paying maintenance to the child. custody arrangments are not disclosed in the article. and don't put a curse on the child's life just because the legal case leaves a sour taste in your mouth. And no court decision EVER stopped people from engaging in all sorts of sexual behaviors. People do anything for a taste...men & women alike.

As for your question: i'm not apathetic. i'm glad the court could see past all the melodrama of the man&woman and focus on the child's welfare. the child was born in 2014, so s/he is only 6 years old!!

I have the compromise. Let him kick her face a few times so she at least walks away humiliated with some scars and he feels some satisfaction, she could pay the dental bill. that would be fair. She could pay the dental bill.

What about all of their rights? If the court cares so much about the child's welfare then they take care of it. It's easy for them to play hero when their decision doesn't impact them, it's someone else.

As for getting a divorce over an affair? I don't know, if the women is attractive I assume she's promiscuous, especially if she's a flirt.

You see those really attractive flirty women with those guys that think his log ride is the only she's taken and going on. Riiiiightttt ... *rolls eyes* Okay.

[Holografix]

引用自 AGuy：

引用自 Holografix：

The details are about paying maintenance to the child. custody arrangments are not disclosed in the article. and don't put a curse on the child's life just because the legal case leaves a sour taste in your mouth. And no court decision EVER stopped people from engaging in all sorts of sexual behaviors. People do anything for a taste...men & women alike.

As for your question: i'm not apathetic. i'm glad the court could see past all the melodrama of the man&woman and focus on the child's welfare. the child was born in 2014, so s/he is only 6 years old!!

It's not the only factor at play here. False accusations could also play a part in the rise of avoiding
the formation of deep bonds since you never know who is trustworthy and who isn't.

Those trust issues are probably part of the reasoning of why the court ordered the child maintenance. At least for now, the child can TRUST & DEPEND on the court ordered maintenance given that the parents' motives and intentions are probably like shifting sands.