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Chowski - ✞ Jesus Saves ✞ の投稿を引用：

God is incapable of commiting murder,

I guess the parts where he wiped off the most of humans, or told the jews to murder some folks cause they happened to cross their path skipped your attention...

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L1qu1dator の投稿を引用：

Chowski - ✞ Jesus Saves ✞ の投稿を引用：

God is incapable of commiting murder,

I guess the parts where he wiped off the most of humans, or told the jews to murder some folks cause they happened to cross their path skipped your attention...

If you read further I put the definition of murder. Here is what even google says: "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another". Could you be specific on who and what please, in terms of the jews, which I believe you are talking about Israel.

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Chowski - ✞ Jesus Saves ✞ の投稿を引用：

I wanted to mostly point out that science traces our roots to a specific ancestor, not multiple. I mentioned some stuff before, and some stuff to krumping. Feel free to link other sources with science to prove your point. I ask sincerely, 2 questions. 1. Did you look at proof from all sides before deciding to be an atheist, or is there another reason for what you believe?
2. Do you believe that we basically have dominion over all the earth? (Like we own it almost, we are on top of the food chain)

This is about how you are arguing your point wrong, not about what *I believe. The scientific articles you sent me didn't really say that we all are from one ancestor, one was extremely brief and the other essentially talked about the first person who had DNA we could call "human", not someone everyone descended from. Maybe there is some scientific information about all of us coming from a single ancestor or or pair of ancestors, but what you sent didn't say that. If you are going to claim that science says something then you need to have researched what science says. If you are going to argue without claiming things about the other sides beliefs that is fine, but when you are misinformed it makes your side look worse.

*If you must know I'm agnostic. I don't think there's a way to prove whether a higher order exists or not and if it does then there's no way to know which belief system (if any) has it right. Even if one of them somehow was right in the beginning their records (including the bible) have been translated and re-translated so many times that even if they were correct at one point they aren't now. Again though, I'm not trying to argue that you are wrong, just that the methods you are using to try and convert people are ineffective. If you don't want me to keep telling you things that could very well help you in conversions then I'll stop.

Maybe I read the articles wrong but through what I've read males are patrineally linked to the "Y Chromosome Adam", as per google patrineal means: relating to or based on relationship to the father or descent through the male line, so we descend from that ancestor. I would say most scientists mention "Most recent common ancestor". Yes, we are matrineally(of or based on kinship with the mother or the female line) linked to Eve. So, we do come from them, that is true. I should have separated my belief from the part at first. Yes, some people do say that they weren't the only ones alive/weren't in the same, not sure about the evidence though, but still interesting to say the least. I'm an imperfect human being, always learning, I will never be able to be perfect, or say the perfect thing, text is also a poor medium.

I thought you were an atheist based off what you were saying, apologize for the assumption. Conversing would be much easier in a PM or voice chat, as I said before creation bears existence to a Creator, just like a painting bears existence of a painter. As for textual criticism, well that is a whole topic that can be widely discussed, which is not limited to religious texts, and the bible has a lot of manuscripts, although I'd need to look more into textual criticism, I believe it has been faithfully translated, of course, we don't have the originals, which is why textual criticism is needed. Jesus supernaturally changed my life, and it was not from someone talking to me about science, we need faith to believe in what we believe, whether that be no god, a God, multiple gods, etc . I know a neo-nazi and a secular human atheist who are now Christian, whether you believe that is up to you. As I mentioned before, someone may hear the gospel and believe, while some come to faith like Lee Strobel from doing a lot of research, who is a part of "Case for Christ". It's not the same for everyone. I will read your next response, although may not give a big response, I believe we will just agree to disagree, so I thank you for the conversation, and you have a good week. I think I will look more into science at least eventually and textual criticism, but will leave you with this: "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you" (Matthew 7:7).

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Chowski - ✞ Jesus Saves ✞ の投稿を引用：

I brought the Y chromosome thing up for about coming from 1 male, 1 woman, which is interesting to say the least, at least when most people believe in the theory of evolution, which would likely not point to us having all coming from one person. Not sure if you believe in that of not. If you could link the other ancestor stuff that would be helpful.

Literally on the first result from Google talking about the Mitochondrial Eve, "matrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans", "they need not have lived at the same time".
And for that matter, both the Mytochondrial Eve and the Y-Chromosomal Adam can change over time, as lineages die out. It's not likely, but it's not impossible for one of us to possibly become the next most recent common ancestor.

I will admit, though, I thought you were talking about the Y chromosome.
I took those quotes in particular from Wikipedia, which I'm not sure I can link given that this account is limited, but I looked through a few more soruces just to double-check.

Earth free floating in space is true, what God created was good, He is perfect, just, and Holy. You can see remnants of how glorious His creation is, how creation bounds together,

Not really. The universe is quite a sight, but it's still really chaotic. There are many pieces of "order" in the form of orbits and all, but they're still erratically scattered. It's some order within a sea of chaos, and it only happens because matter tends to equilibrium.

but we decide to disobey, regardless of what Adam and Eve did,

Do newborns decide to disobey God?
You can't say "oh, they must've done something" and call it a day. The fact is, the idea of the original sin condems all of humanity for actions they didn't do.

and I do believe we would disobey anyways if we were there, showing how we do it today. Satan deceived eve, and she took the bait.

There's a problem with that. Prior from eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, they didn't know what "good" and "evil" was. They were created incapable of moral judgement. What did God do instead of giving them the ability to judge? He told them the fruit would kill them. However, the fruit did not kill them, it only gave them the ability to do moral judgements. Some say their death wasn't a literal death, but rather them being banished from Eden, but that only means that God himself was the one who "killed" them, not the fruit. If anything, God's words were even more of a lie than Satan's.

no one is promised another day, the greatest demonstration of love was giving His only begotten Son to die for us on the cross.

Oh yeah, sacrificing "his only son" to save us from the sin that could've been avoided if he hadn't thrown a hissy fit when Adam and Eve disobeyed him, unable to know it was wrong to do so because they didn't know what "wrong" was. The sin that could've been avoided if only God hadn't created us, or this imperfect universe for that matter, for reasons that contradict the idea of a perfect being no matter what reason you give.

We choose to murder, lie, steal, I am pretty sure the CCP is choosing to commit actual genocide on the Uyghurs.

Chinese people are ok, but I agree that ♥♥♥♥ the CCP. Those dictatorial ♥♥♥♥♥ don't know how to be authorities.

We have free will, would you want a robot for a kid?
I don't think all of life is suffering, we can enjoy a family, friends, entertainment sports, and community, not sure if you are from the west but we enjoy a much higher standard of living then others around the world.

I didn't mean to imply all of life is suffering. However, compared to a perfect life, compared to existence in a perfect world, there's a lot of suffering here, whether you live in a first world country or a third world country.

Looking at the law of probabilities, I'd say that belief in God is more logical, just like if you saw a painting, you wouldn't say "No one made that!".

Of course, because I know of billions of intelligent beings who could've possibly created the painting, there's an actual author who the painting is attributed to, who has a biography that's consistent with history at the time. And while the universe is a lot bigger and more complex than any painting to ever be made, I can't find intelligent lifeforms outside the universe– we don't even know if there's an outside the universe –, there are multiple potential authors proffessed by a multitude of people, each presenting not a biography of the author, but a history of humanity, the world and the universe, all of them are vague and command me to believe their version of the author exists, and none of them coincede with more recent observations done with rigorous methods.
So no, there's not much room for comparison here.

Fred Hoyle calculated that obtaining life from a random beginning, is "10^40,000, an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup.”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/621166-life-cannot-have-had-a-random-beginning-the-trouble
This is from a guy who is not a Christian

For starters, life isn't really random. We aren't born with a random set of genes. The genes we have are genes that come from our parents. The most randomness there is in life is the possibility of a mutation, which does happen and in a lot of cells. Thing is, compared to the amount of cells in our bodies, dysfunctional cells that die young are few and quickly replaced by healthy cells. There are cases where mutation harms the body, such as cancers, but those can be dealt with, and in most cases they don't happen so often or survive for so long that life becomes inviable.

There was "randomness", however, in the first lifeforms. And yes, the possibility of life appearing randomly is minuscule. However, a minuscule chance doesn't mean it's straight up impossible. And when you take into account the size of the universe, the size of molecules in comparison, and how much atoms combine to form molecules, and these combine together to form different things, it's not as unlikely that somewhere in this enormous universe, life could develop on its own.





With that out of the say, I'd propose we agree to disagree, before the mods take our heads. You can make your rebuttal, or you can walk away without a word. As for me, I'm gonna let go of this argument.

Alright, thank you for the chat, have a good week, I'm glad we agree on the CCP. God bless :)

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L1qu1dator の投稿を引用：

I guess the parts where he wiped off the most of humans, or told the jews to murder some folks cause they happened to cross their path skipped your attention...

If you read further I put the definition of murder. Here is what even google says: "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another". Could you be specific on who and what please, in terms of the jews, which I believe you are talking about Israel.

I'm sorry definitions don't include imaginary friends...

P.S.
I meant how your imaginary friend told israelites to murder canaanites, women and children included...

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I'd start reading the NIV of Matthew 7:5 and go from there... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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L1qu1dator の投稿を引用：

Chowski - ✞ Jesus Saves ✞ の投稿を引用：

If you read further I put the definition of murder. Here is what even google says: "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another". Could you be specific on who and what please, in terms of the jews, which I believe you are talking about Israel.

I'm sorry definitions don't include imaginary friends... :EsheUnimpressed:

P.S.
I meant how your imaginary friend told israelites to murder canaanites, women and children included...

If He's "imaginary", why even bother objecting and responding? God is just, the Giver of life gives life and it's His to take, if you read further in Deuteronomy you will see a part of the answer: "Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God” Deut 20:18.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

Not sure if you are atheist/agnostic or believe in something else, but where do you think morality comes from?

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Chowski - ✞ Jesus Saves ✞ の投稿を引用：

L1qu1dator の投稿を引用：

I'm sorry definitions don't include imaginary friends... :EsheUnimpressed:

P.S.
I meant how your imaginary friend told israelites to murder canaanites, women and children included...

If He's "imaginary", why even bother objecting and responding? God is just, the Giver of life gives life and it's His to take, if you read further in Deuteronomy you will see a part of the answer: "Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God” Deut 20:18.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

Not sure if you are atheist/agnostic or believe in something else, but where do you think morality comes from?

Morality comes from who you are as a person and how you view the world, and is defined differently for everyone.