Condescending

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

I know this is a pretty condescending topic ...but I'd like to know why so many people think that others on the forums are being condescending to them, within like... the first post they make, even if it has relevant & helpful information.

Seems like a bit of an assumption to me but it's a really frequent one I see people throwing around (which is non-relevant to almost all topic-prompts & therefore spam) and it seems pretty rude & non-constructive to me ...condescending even.

So, first off... can we like... just chill out & relax a little more, guys?

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Secondly, why are so many people so eager to see hate & take offense, especially to see thoughtful & informative responses this way?

Like... how many of you actually think that the people here wake up in the morning & think "Hmmm... I think I'll be condescending to someone on the Steam Community Forums today!" ...or aren't even trying to contribute SOMETHING to a topic when they post something relevant to the discussion?
(I know you all know how to read! ...now whether you're bothering to or not is sometimes up for debate.)

...and why?

[iceman1980]

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Condescending ...and why?

I feel you may have mistaken the context of criticism, disagreement & challenge for the sense of it being inauthentically condescending or hateful.

Reading your OP I feel you may have misguided yourself with an optical bias in the sense where you're viewing something by a subjective point of view like how you mention posts not being constructive enough or coming off as too blunt or direct "rude", not everything answered must come with an overexplained argument, sometimes the simplicity of nothing but a few choice words are enough to fully detail the necessary expression of a disagreement.

My beliefs in having such a view are especially reinforced when you're the one here creating a scene telling everyone to "chill out & relax" because everyone in your eyes are "eager to hate", perhaps you should shouldn't overanalyse the non-verbal context of a message and rather instead make a reflection & inspect yourself inwards for a change.

People on the forums are dysfunctional human beings. With a lot of psychological baggage they don't manage.

["AK-47's, for everyone!"]

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People on the forums are dysfunctional human beings. With a lot of psychological baggage they don't manage.

Eh, you'd see it everywhere. Some people just have an inferiority complex.

[UX1∴73C]

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Condescending ...and why?

I feel you may have mistaken the context of criticism, disagreement & challenge for the sense of it being inauthentically condescending or hateful.

Reading your OP I feel you may have misguided yourself with an optical bias in the sense where you're viewing something by a subjective point of view like how you mention posts not being constructive enough or coming off as too blunt or direct "rude", not everything answered must come with an overexplained argument, sometimes the simplicity of nothing but a few choice words are enough to fully detail the necessary expression of a disagreement.

My beliefs in having such a view are especially reinforced when you're the one here creating a scene telling everyone to "chill out & relax" because everyone in your eyes are "eager to hate", perhaps you should shouldn't overanalyse the non-verbal context of a message and rather instead make a reflection & inspect yourself inwards for a change.

People on the forums are dysfunctional human beings. With a lot of psychological baggage they don't manage.

In order to be cured, the mind has to want to get better. Most individuals are either content or ignorant to their "disorders" and will demonstrate it when communicating to others on this gaming message board. However one wishes to conduct themselves around said individuals matters, since it could further their destructive activities.

[iceman1980]

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People on the forums are dysfunctional human beings. With a lot of psychological baggage they don't manage.

Eh, you'd see it everywhere. Some people just have an inferiority complex.

My rule, I don't give a stuff what people think of me on here. Real life is where it matters, not this s***hole with s***y people.

["AK-47's, for everyone!"]

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My rule, I don't give a stuff what people think of me on here.

That's the unspoken rule of the internet. 😉

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In order to be cured, the mind has to want to get better. Most individuals are either content or ignorant to their "disorders" and will demonstrate it when communicating to others on this gaming message board. However one wishes to conduct themselves around said individuals matters, since it could further their destructive activities.

Based comment dude.

[UX1∴73C]

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Eh, you'd see it everywhere. Some people just have an inferiority complex.

My rule, I don't give a stuff what people think of me on here. Real life is where it matters, not this s***hole with s***y people.

Remember, behind every screen is a person who is communicating to you their ideals, values, and beliefs. So, when someone is clearly affected by you, they will exhibit emotions by the way the wording they use to express themselves in return.

[UX1∴73C]

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My rule, I don't give a stuff what people think of me on here.

That's the unspoken rule of the internet. 😉

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In order to be cured, the mind has to want to get better. Most individuals are either content or ignorant to their "disorders" and will demonstrate it when communicating to others on this gaming message board. However one wishes to conduct themselves around said individuals matters, since it could further their destructive activities.

Based comment dude.

Yes, it is important to be established with how you think and communicate such thoughts. Thank you for noticing, good sir.

[iceman1980]

There is a deliberate reason for using impersonal language and minimising first person pronouns. Using cold and detached language ensures individuals are not capable of determining much about a personality.

[UX1∴73C]

Being detached from your emotions allows for the insurance that there is no hint of bias in the way that one communicates, yes.

Also, it is becoming quite hard to communicate on these forums when quotes begin coming undone.

[Dom]

People misunderstand things. And if someone makes the wrong interpretation about you on the internet, so be it. It really isn't your fault unless this is your intention. Besides, we're talking about strangers anyway, not friends or family members. They could always ask you to specify/clarify things in a more constructive manner but choose not to. Sure, misunderstandings happen and sometimes you can wonder what you could do better to avoid them.

But very likely the ones who make these misunderstandings and take offense don't even engage in very deep conversations because in that case, these probably wouldn't even happen. And another thing, internet is a very hostile place sometimes so anything you say, even something as innocent as "meow", can be seen as offensive.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

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... Sure, misunderstandings happen and sometimes you can wonder what you could do better to avoid them.
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This is typically what I strive to do - though, with at least half of my interactions (probably much greater amounts than that) with the forums being reading old topics & not inputting any commentary or response (sometimes because they're locked), sometimes I simply seek to better understand the perspectives & choices of others.

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Eh, you'd see it everywhere. Some people just have an inferiority complex.

My rule, I don't give a stuff what people think of me on here. Real life is where it matters, not this s***hole with s***y people.

You are very fortunate for your real life to be a better experience.

I think people mistake my forum experience for being worse, or more oversensitive than it actually is as they read this inquisition about a single, but repeating, anomaly that I've noticed.

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... telling everyone to "chill out & relax" because everyone in your eyes are "eager to hate", ...
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Well, did I say "everyone"? OP hasn't been edited since I created it, ...it doesn't say everyone.

Also, there's a difference between being hateful, & seeing others as hateful (then taking offense), - the latter of which is referenced in the OP, ...not the former.

Anyways, from what I've read, when Steam Support typically weighs in on a disagreement, they typically encourage people to be "more friendly & have fun", which I don't see anything wrong with - hence the "chill out & relax", which also was a suitable platitude to go with the small emoji-art scene that I included. I suppose you may feel it comes across as patronizing, though, - which is fair. :P

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Remember, behind every screen is a person who is communicating to you their ideals, values, and beliefs. So, when someone is clearly affected by you, they will exhibit emotions by the way the wording they use to express themselves in return.

On the note of support. I think this is one of the things that they tend to emphasize (there's real people here), ...except when it comes to themselves. *lol*

I think it's a little naive or over-simplistic to just take the stance of:
"Everyone on Steam is just here to have fun",
...but, despite my initial assessment, it does have a ring of truth to it as that's kind of the point of the platform, + people generally aren't looking to have a bad time (though, the ways they attempt to avoid such may end up producing the opposite result).

I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of this topic - plus a little bit of (imo, needless) judgement, which was fully to be expected with subject matter such as this, though.

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... perhaps you should shouldn't overanalyse the non-verbal context of a message and rather instead make a reflection & inspect yourself inwards for a change before telling others about how "self-righteous & hateful" they are.

Anyways, sometimes it's as simple as this:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3006676913257705106/#c3006676913257723264
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/2974027717619311156/#c2974027717619375016
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469934084&include_deleted=1&q=condescending&p=2


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[JobeGardener]

In this day and age, being brave means being a crybaby.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

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In this day and age, being brave means being a crybaby.

That sounds like it suits real life more than the forums but I certainly appreciate the response.

That also raises the question for me... how is anyone supposed to find or make any connections, in the real world, with anyone above average or who just isn't boring - when the people who appear to be strong are actually weak & unstable?

I pray that surely this isn't always the case, but so far, in my experience, it has been. I know they're human, but I'm talking about confident people who are fake[rs] - as I suspect you were referencing, as well.


...that's just an aside, related point (my response, at least), to the topic subject, though.


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[Frostylicious]

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I know this is a pretty condescending topic :coconutlaugh: ...but I'd like to know why so many people think that others on the forums are being condescending to them, within like... the first post they make, even if it has relevant & helpful information.

Tbh I haven’t really noticed this in these forums. But if it does happen, you can easily misinterpret a post to be condescending because it’s the internet - no emotion or tone of voice can be detected through text. It’s just like how you can’t detect sarcasm over the internet, unless the poster was being very obvious about it.

[Gus the Crocodile]

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That also raises the question for me... how is anyone supposed to find or make any connections, in the real world, with anyone above average or who just isn't boring - when the people who appear to be strong are actually weak & unstable?

By getting over this preoccupation with “strength”, realising that we all have weaknesses and vulnerabilities, and expressing solidarity with each other.