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...but I'd like to know why so many people think that others on the forums are being condescending to them, within like... the first post they make, even if it has relevant & helpful information. 
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Looks like bait but I'll bite (well, nibble really) since this is entertaining.
As much as I'd like to lead you on in this regard, it would be unwise to allow a 3rd party to dictate my character representation, therefore, I regret to inform you that A ≠ B
Okay, find something like that in my own (this account's) post history to support your claim then.
Good luck & I eagerly await your evidenced assessment!
Perhaps I can learn something from it, but I doubt you'll find anything because I am very critical of others & I expect them to do the same with me, therefore, I would not be pretending to be a cult-leader that requires being blindly embraced (not really my style of humor either
...at least not if I'm not going to end the post with "now all I need is your credit card number."
(But I wouldn't post that either since a certain site's ban of VoiceoverPete is a good example of how that joke will turn out))
If you are referring to the contents of this current topic, it would only be in-line with the subject matter of the topic (on-topic), however, nowhere in here did I say "all people who post here are like X".
I can even evidence my own claim with some links...
Yours is not the only post I've seen where someone is saying this [the word condescending] (&, in fact, your assessment in that other topic is much more accurate than many of the other places that I have seen this word being used):
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/2974027717616951643/#c2974027717617042091
This one in-particular, caught my attention:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3006676913257705106/#c3006676913257723264
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/2974027717619311156/#c2974027717619375016
& we can find plenty more examples in topics that I probably have not read yet:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469934084&include_deleted=1&q=condescending&p=2
I mean... this -IS- the "Off Topic" forum.
What would you suggest as a topic title / prompt that would be less "spammy" and why haven't you posted it yet?
*lol* That is greatly amusing. I... THINK... the developers would probably know a little bit more. ...but "expert". *lol*
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You say "even if it has relevant & helpful information", as if "being condescending" and "presenting relevant & helpful information" are at odds with each other. But they're not. Condescension doesn't mean not contributing anything useful, it's about talking down to people, insinuating that they're lesser somehow. It's entirely normal for people who are being condescending to do so while presenting relevant information, precisely because it helps them 'show off' their (in their eyes) superior knowledge or ability.
Indeed. It's true that I don't have to prove anything. Because nothing would be good enough anyway. You're right about that and you just made my life easier. For that, my thanks.
Individuals like you, however, they seem capable in the art of circular arguments. That's why nothing would be good.
By the way, pretty much every post of yours reeks of a "higher" sort of thinking, almost philosophical or biblical. While not in the exact same way, it's not so different than the posts of your "alter-ego".
It's actually not that uncommon to see you turning threads into some sort of your own plaything, and it seems that you're just pretending about exchanging meaningful thoughts and learning. And that's condescending.
Lmao, I'm joking with that last statement, pay no heed.
And, besides sharing most of the same behaviour, both of you are also friends.
Who would suspect a thing when it's so obvious? Pretty clever.
Not to mention the fact that your desire to speak about the subject just after it happened... That raises some eyebrows. The timing was just TOO perfect.
I don't really need to suggest - or create, for that matter - anything after I criticize. "Do better" is an illusion created by people who got irritated by something. There's no such thing.
I also don't mean any sort of disrespect by my words, no matter how they look. I just find the whole thing entertaining. Not so different from you. Why else would you respond to my post? You made that pretty clear, up above.
To sum it up. The effort you made to turn a simple vent into a thoughtful discussion and the connections above, between two users, are just pretty damn funny. Lmao.
That's fair, though, I like learning, so personally, I probably wouldn't mind if there were more people like that in my life.
If they're helpful & correct, that's the most important part to me.
It would be on-topic to be condescending here so I'm not going to take offense if anyone is towards me within this topic.
...though, one should still be careful when doing so with others because the forum rules still apply. Also, there's a difference between condescending and a number of worse things that are actually truly hostile.
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That just really makes me wonder what you consider to be "not spam" in the "Off Topic" forum because by the sounds of what you're saying... all of it qualifies as spam (which to a degree, I'm partially inclined to agree with. Moderation, does however, make judgements of their own when posts in "Off Topic" are off topic from the topic / prompt that they've been posted within.)
It just "seems" that way (ie. an assumption) or do you have anything to back that up with?
If I -actually- said something that was incorrect, then embarrassing as it may be to confront that, I would like to know what it is that I was verifiably incorrect about so that I can figure out where I went wrong & endeavor to improve myself.
Personally, I think my behavior is quite far removed from his & we actually disagree on many subjects but diversity of thought is something I value in my social connections.
Well, I suppose users:"David Young", "Overkill", & "Kaylia" are also his alts then - but that would certainly make these exchanges quite odd:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/2798376550594542277/?ctp=8#c2798376550600791831
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/1747892655519571711/?ctp=7#c1747892655521637923
Speaking of which, using "well, you're friends" as a point of evidence could quickly be used to argue that we're all just one big entity quarreling with itself. (An interesting philosophical discussion to be had but not really the axiom you're operating your line of reasoning from.)
...but perhaps there's some other, additional, point to that line of reasoning that makes you draw that conclusion. Something / some quality about the accounts perhaps?
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Join us... Cas...
;)
But I get where you're coming from about improving. Ain't no room for that because nothing is incorrect. Running mental circles to prove that you're smart is a good tactic, afterall. And, even if you were incorrect about something, it's no shame. You should understand that.
As for spam, it should be obvious. Pointless messages. The majority here, in this very thread, are not that way, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, not even your OP (it still looks that way, however, despite the non-intentional [quite doubtful but I'll let it go] make-up) and this discussion.
To close this up. You say in the OP that everybody should just chill out but your worry about what is spam and what is not is closing in. Another irony.
Look. The mods won't do a thing because they understand nobody broke a single rule, here. So you should just take your initial advice and, you know, chill. A discussion starts from a point, it evolves and flows. And a discussion should have a beggining, a follow up and an end. Everything is connected, despite looking like it's not.
i dont think all of them are condescending tho, but some can be
also partially can happen because sarcasm is quite easy to miss in written format
Thats a joke. Hard to tell right. Maybe that is why nobody worries about it, unless they are trying to be a part of some community within OT. Heads up, there isn't one.
It's a secret group, but shh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSBcbpJGWjA
Not at all. Frequent forum-user:"Radene" is absolutely correct when he repeatedly states that discussions / arguments should be about sharing ideas and hopefully gaining new ones in the process, rather than trying to "win" or change someone's mind.
However, if one has something to say, there should be some meaning or value to it, otherwise... why even bother?
(You kind of have to contribute something that you think has value to a discussion if you hope to get any such things in exchange.)
That does not mean that I wish to "enlighten" you or anyone else. As far as I'm concerned, you are free to remain as ignorant, or simply of a varied opinion / preference, as you want, so long as you are not harming anyone.
Doesn't really make much of a difference to me how you live your life.
That is kind of how it works when you make a claim; - it's fully to be expected that people will ask you to back up your claim rather than just accept it at face-value ...unless you'd rather people just ignore you (in which case, why even bother saying anything at all?)
If your claim has something to stand on, I'd like to see. I'm very interested in knowing the reasoning of my discussion partners, whether in private or public. Otherwise, it's baseless & not worth further discussion beyond mere dismissal.
Things can be similar without being the same (which is pretty ironic that this is coming up in this discussion now because that's a point I had that NtR disagreed with in a conversation that we had last week.)
ie. A ≠ B
You can find similarities between just about anything - it really doesn't make them the same thing. So whether your claim logical or not, doesn't mean that it's correct, especially considering all the other factors it may be ignoring.
There's a difference between the claims of "these things are probably a match" or "these things are highly similar" and "these things are definitively one & the same".
Yes; Radene posted something similar that I agree with a great deal:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3006676913250127131/?ctp=8#c3006676913253404672
...however, just because it should be okay to make mistakes or have imperfections, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to improve ourselves. It's something that even comes naturally - you play a game, you get a game over, you try again & get further; under the hood, you're improving, you changed some things about yourself, perhaps without even knowing. Perhaps someday I will live the life & be the person that I want to be, entirely, but until then, I wouldn't want to have it any other way [than learning & improving].
It is extremely unlikely that there will not be more things I'd like to learn about & skills I'd like to further develop, though ...at least within the course of my human life-time, if that happens to be the length of today's longest living humans, or even if we manage to extend our lives by another 200 years.
I get why you may have that impression but I'm not a moderator & I don't often report anything. So... it's not my problem, lol!
Only reason I even mentioned it in the OP is because it's my line of reasoning for things like this post:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3006676913257705106/#c3006676913257723264
Like... okay. Either he got what user:"hotsauce" meant or he didn't. If someone thinks that someone had some intention other than being helpful or having an actual conversation by sharing something then perhaps they should ask about, clarifying what it is that they don't understand, rather than being accusatory.
...which is the point of this topic, pondering about why people are in such a hurry to jump to that conclusion (or a similar enough one) frequently enough, instead of reading / thinking about the response they received & asking for clarification if they either didn't understand or didn't see anything useful about it.
There's a time & place for the term "condescending", I've even used it myself, but it has a very specific meaning & seems to be overused, likely even as an conclusion that someone has honestly formed in their assessment.
Personally, your usage of it in that other topic fits, fairly well because what one person sees as playful humor can come across to others as obviously disingenuous or insensitive (thus: condescending).
Overall, I think it's a subject that people generally place too much emphasis on. The only time I think ego-based subjects are worth interjecting into other subjects that are not about social conduct, is when the ego-based attribute is so prominent that it's getting in the way of having a meaningful conversation.
Now, I don't know if you wish to continue but this has been a pretty good conversation so far, in my opinion.
I might not be gaining any "enlightenment" from it (*lol*) but it's been a good exercise in writing.
(Which is pretty much the only reason I write on the forums as frequently as I do. ...aside from certain hubs like "Baba Is You" where mostly I just want to help others enjoy a great game.)
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The cause of this problem is both due to the lack of required body language present in normal social exchanges and the correct social etiquette applied to those situations. Many "gamers" lack this pretty broad requirement, because they mostly experience social interaction via the forum. You'll oftrn find those here to be socially inept outside of their closed loop forum posts. Mostly incapable of having a conversion with a normal human being.
Examples like your neighbours, or other people. The term for these people are shutins or otakus.
I feel you may have mistaken the context of criticism, disagreement & challenge for the sense of it being inauthentically condescending or hateful.
Reading your OP I feel you may have misguided yourself with an optical bias in the sense where you're viewing something by a subjective point of view like how you mention posts not being constructive enough or coming off as too assumedly blunt or direct "rude", not everything answered must come with an needlessly overexplained argument nor explanation, sometimes the simplicity of nothing but a few choice words are enough to fully detail the necessary expression of a disagreement.
My beliefs in you having such a view are especially reinforced when you're the one here creating a scene telling everyone to "chill out & relax" because everyone in your eyes are "eager to hate", perhaps you should shouldn't overanalyse the non-verbal context of a message and rather instead make a reflection & inspect yourself inwards for a change before telling others about how "self-righteous & hateful" they are.