所有讨论 > Steam 论坛 > Off Topic > 主题详情
MADanger 2020 年 11 月 24 日 下午 6:28
Let's get rid of the ESRB
The ESRB is a racket non-profit. It charges developers hefty fees to review games and assign a rating. THIS COST IS PASSED ONTO CONSUMERS.

Very few people care about these ratings. Parents buy M rated games for their kids all the time. And in the era of online retailers, any kid with a debit or gift card can order an M rated game and have it delivered to the house.

A whopping 2/3 of parents don't care whatsoever what a game rating is.

https://kotaku.com/two-thirds-of-parents-admit-they-dont-bother-checking-v-5901395

https://www.techspot.com/news/75509-most-parents-dont-pay-attention-game-age-rating.html
最后由 MADanger 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 8:42
引用自 crgzero:
I never cared what my kids played, I feel I taught them well enough to understand that videogames aren't reality, AND I didn't let the electronics raise them either.
< >
正在显示第 31 - 45 条,共 75 条留言
MADanger 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 8:47 
引用自 Nabster
So some parents don't care about esrb, but what about the parents who do care? I for one care about those l these ratings and make decision based on it.

Your kid (especially if in middle school and beyond) is already playing those games. They either ordered the game themselves, play it at a friends house, etc. Your kid cannot be stopped for enjoying whatever content they want. Your kid will also resent you from being unable to play the games all their friends are playing, which will only cause friction with your relationship with them. The best COA is to teach your kid that games are fantasy, not to be mimicked, and raise them with good values. Then you don't have to worry about the games they play.

Controlling the content is not a good strat to win hearts or minds. All it does is make the forbiddent even more attractive. And with so many venues for them to get the content you deem unacceptable, what purpose is there in caring about the rating?
最后由 MADanger 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 8:49
MADanger 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 8:51 
引用自 tiny Elvis
BTW, that avatar expires on January 20th. Better start looking for a new one. :steamhappy:

Nope, gonna keep this one!
MADanger 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 8:51 
引用自 tiny Elvis
[
Your kid is also going to resent you for not letting them drink, smoke, stay out all night, skip school etc etc etc.

Those present real harms. Playing video games, reading books, watching movies does not.
最后由 MADanger 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 8:52
it's love 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:01 
引用自 Tender Cornhole
2/3 of parents (66%) don't care either. I updated my OP with the links.

So since the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY (66%) of parents don't care what rating a game has, why do we have the ESRB again? Why do companies like Target, Walmart, etc. hold developers hostage to getting a rating?

All smoke and mirrors: "See, we did something!"

It serves no purpose for the majority of game buyers.
66% isn't an overwhelming majority, not that the accuracy of the data is trustworthy in the first place. First thing it's kotaku, second it's a news outlet and they manipulate data however it fits them as they have no need to cite their sources, so I can't even check out these so called surveys for myself. Same thing goes for the second article.
crgzero 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:10 
引用自 Crazed Rabbit
引用自 Tender Cornhole
2/3 of parents (66%) don't care either. I updated my OP with the links.

So since the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY (66%) of parents don't care what rating a game has, why do we have the ESRB again? Why do companies like Target, Walmart, etc. hold developers hostage to getting a rating?

All smoke and mirrors: "See, we did something!"

It serves no purpose for the majority of game buyers.
66% isn't an overwhelming majority, not that the accuracy of the data is trustworthy in the first place. First thing it's kotaku, second it's a news outlet and they manipulate data however it fits them as they have no need to cite their sources, so I can't even check out these so called surveys for myself. Same thing goes for the second article.
One could say you'll try to discredit any source you don't agree with, just as anyone else might try to discredit any source that you will agree with.

https://the-artifice.com/video-game-content-ratings-anyone-care-anymore/
MADanger 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:26 
The article admits most don't care about the ratings.
MADanger 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:28 
引用自 Crazed Rabbit
66% isn't an overwhelming majority, not that the accuracy of the data is trustworthy in the first place. First thing it's kotaku, second it's a news outlet and they manipulate data however it fits them as they have no need to cite their sources, so I can't even check out these so called surveys for myself. Same thing goes for the second article.

66% is a strong majority. Overwhelmingly 66% beats 33%. Also, there are THOUSANDS of articles echoing the same fact: Most parents don't care about the rating and get the game for Timmy anyway.
it's love 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:33 
引用自 crgzero
引用自 Crazed Rabbit
66% isn't an overwhelming majority, not that the accuracy of the data is trustworthy in the first place. First thing it's kotaku, second it's a news outlet and they manipulate data however it fits them as they have no need to cite their sources, so I can't even check out these so called surveys for myself. Same thing goes for the second article.
One could say you'll try to discredit any source you don't agree with, just as anyone else might try to discredit any source that you will agree with.

https://the-artifice.com/video-game-content-ratings-anyone-care-anymore/
You should attempt to discredit every source. Only if you cannot find a way to discredit it is it a reliable source. Journalism is about the clicks, they have no obligation to tell the truth, their only obligation is to garner the maximum amount of attention. Why do you blindly believe it when you cannot see what they are referencing for yourself?

About the article you link, first of all it was released in 2014, 6 years ago. That's a huge timeframe for data to change, and the article itself references what I assume to be some sort of article, that was published in the year 2000. They reference data that was 14 years old at the time. Please explain to me how journalism is not a joke.
最后由 it's love 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:35
Cydramech 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:34 
I don't agree with many ESRB ratings (ex., San Andreas should never have received an M-rating since the infamous hot coffee content was illegally accessed), but the ESRB does exactly what it is intended to: helping to keep the U.S. government at bay from regulating video games.

Everything else is pointless. The ESRB should even handle ratings as little as possible, not expand them.
最后由 Cydramech 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:44
crgzero 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:40 
引用自 Crazed Rabbit
引用自 crgzero
One could say you'll try to discredit any source you don't agree with, just as anyone else might try to discredit any source that you will agree with.

https://the-artifice.com/video-game-content-ratings-anyone-care-anymore/
You should attempt to discredit every source. Only if you cannot find a way to discredit it is it a reliable source. Journalism is about the clicks, they have no obligation to tell the truth, their only obligation is to garner the maximum amount of attention. Why do you blindly believe it when you cannot see what they are referencing for yourself?

About the article you link, first of all it was released in 2014, 6 years ago. That's a huge timeframe for data to change, and the article itself references what I assume to be some sort of article, that was published in the year 2000. They reference data that was 14 years old at the time. Please explain to me how journalism is not a joke.
Discredit a source based on facts is one thing, doing so just because you don't agree with it and have a stick up your ass is totally different.

The link I posted was just the first one out of 100s. I could've linked every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ one of them, but inevitably some halfwit who doesn't agree will say the same ♥♥♥♥ over and over again.
🦜Cloud Boy🦜 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:40 
ESRB is very useful to filter out the adult contents from the under aged kids.
Stoic 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:46 
Some people still use it, enough for them to keep it
/. 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:50 
I mean, it's mostly fine. I personally never gave a crap about ESRB ratings, but some helicopter parents have a massive hard-on for making sure their precious little angels are never exposed to anything fun or interesting.

I'd rather have the current system in place to prevent people whining even further about the content in games. At least if there's a problem, we can say "well the game was rated M, you were warned about the content", versus if there was no system in place, people would be pooping themselves with fury about some stuff.

For example Conker's Bad Fur Day has loads of foul language and mature content in general, but it looks like a kid game, for the most part, with the cartoonish animals and artistic style. If someone bought the game for their kids based on the cartooony nature of it, without any rating in place, they'd be surprised when their kid learns every bad word in the book and start saying them all the time.
it's love 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:54 
引用自 crgzero
引用自 Crazed Rabbit
You should attempt to discredit every source. Only if you cannot find a way to discredit it is it a reliable source. Journalism is about the clicks, they have no obligation to tell the truth, their only obligation is to garner the maximum amount of attention. Why do you blindly believe it when you cannot see what they are referencing for yourself?

About the article you link, first of all it was released in 2014, 6 years ago. That's a huge timeframe for data to change, and the article itself references what I assume to be some sort of article, that was published in the year 2000. They reference data that was 14 years old at the time. Please explain to me how journalism is not a joke.
Discredit a source based on facts is one thing, doing so just because you don't agree with it and have a stick up your ass is totally different.

The link I posted was just the first one out of 100s. I could've linked every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ one of them, but inevitably some halfwit who doesn't agree will say the same ♥♥♥♥ over and over again.
I have no stakes in this. I would love to see an actually reliable source that goes one way or the other, I wouldn't be mad if what you were saying WAS correct, as then I have actually learned something, but so far no one has actually provided a credible source for it. I just want the truth. I don't think your goals are the same, as per your words you "posted the first one out of 100s". Instead of doing research to come to a conclusion, you come to a conclusion and do research to convince yourself of it.
最后由 it's love 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 9:55
AWAWA Liz 2020 年 11 月 25 日 上午 10:14 
引用自 🌈Cloud Boy🌈
ESRB is very useful to filter out the adult contents from the under aged kids.
All it ever does is suggest to parents that maybe little Billy shouldn't be playing Stealy Wheely Automobiley.

It can't exactly stop them from making a purchase if little Billy cries enough at the local Gamestop.
< >
正在显示第 31 - 45 条,共 75 条留言
每页显示数: 1530 50

所有讨论 > Steam 论坛 > Off Topic > 主题详情
发帖日期: 2020 年 11 月 24 日 下午 6:28
回复数: 74