Going vegan

[Natural Love]

Anyone here thought about to become a vegan?Or do you think meat will never leave your plate.There are plenty of reason to become one but there are also a lot of downsides

[Azza ☠]

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Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

My dog is a vegetarian by choice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9efKwFfeZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXYL9OUaKs

My dog enjoys white rice, mixed with small cubed carrots, yet given the option will clearly go for meat over it.

💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕님이 먼저 게시:

I've been vegan most of my life.

Benefits outweigh any downsides. You get better health and a clearer mind.

The only downside I can think of is having less options in food and supplementing B12

Once you start to realise what you were actually eating and what horrors go into production of that "food" you start to no longer see food but rotting body parts from a corpse that should not be on your plate.

Meat and dairy are also linked to all sorts of nasty health issues, not to mention the whole needless murder and exploit of intelligent animals that can think and feel.

You also don't need to go the whole length of being a full vegan, can be a dietary vegan where you focus on the health benefits of a vegan diet.

The amount of vegan replacements for meat now is amazing compared to a few years ago. I never ate meat so I had nothing to miss but for those that want to try vegan its very easy to do so now.

My little cousin is vegan, as he loves pets and has a ton of them. He stays skinny but overall healthy, with some supplements B12 and Iron.

Animals are animals though and will eat each other. Humans are just another animal.

We can split meat into four types: white, red, processed, and fish

Fish and white meat are roundly considered fairly healthful, so long not deep fried, processed, etc. People eat far too much bad meats, it goes from one extreme to the other.

Should humans be eatting more vegetables? Yes, 2/3 of the plate. However a mix is best, unless you have correct supplements to make up for it.

Whatever we do, we should avoid this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivyZRaYOf_8

The mistreatment of animals, stacking cages, poor hygiene, etc. That's how we ended up with the Covid-19 virus, Swine Flu, etc.

[Zeno]

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IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

After having tried many many things, researched a lot and done my fair share of experiments. I came to the conclusion that Vegan is not natural at all. Vegetarian is a lot more natural than being Vegan and being a " rare meat eater " is even more natural, means eating meat like once a month or once every two months of even more rare (high quality meats only).

But going full Vegan is scientifically proven, not healthy and can even become very dangerous, especially if you are not using any additional supplements and a pill which I need supplements for, is not the natural and normal way to go.

But hey, everyone is free to do whatever he likes in this regard. Sadly some people force this on their little children and cause heavy damage on them.

oh come on, did you even read the posts on the thread?
Your post is full of misinformation and value judgements.

He asked, I answered. No misinformation and value judgements here as everyone has different values and there is also a bunch of different information on this topic.

Either agree with it or don't. I am fine with both.

[Holografix]

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Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

oh come on, did you even read the posts on the thread?
Your post is full of misinformation and value judgements.

He asked, I answered. No misinformation and value judgements here as everyone has different values and there is also a bunch of different information on this topic.

Either agree with it or don't. I am fine with both.

How can anyone agree or disagree on misinformation? You obviously didn't read half the posts on the thread.

[Zeno]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

He asked, I answered. No misinformation and value judgements here as everyone has different values and there is also a bunch of different information on this topic.

Either agree with it or don't. I am fine with both.

How can anyone agree or disagree on misinformation? You obviously didn't read half the posts on the thread.

I did read some of the posts. But I also read studies and talked to doctors about a plain Vegan diet without supplements. Which is not natural and unhealthy, hence Vegans need " unnaturally " produces supplements in form of powder or pills as they for example lack B12 very often as well as Iron. Although you can get this in through vegetables as well, most can't manage to eat as many.

Science says, eating meat very very very rarely and in small amounts next to a balanced vegetable and fruit based diet, as well as legumes, is the healthiest way to go.

If you want to call this misinformation, alright then, I assume you have already made your decision on being against everything I have said, instead of doing some research on the statements I have made.

And no, I am not going to share dozens of links on here now to prove my point, if you really want to know. Research yourself or accept my word as is.

Cheers.

[Holografix]

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

How can anyone agree or disagree on misinformation? You obviously didn't read half the posts on the thread.

I did read some of the posts. But I also read studies and talked to doctors about a plain Vegan diet without supplements. Which is not natural and unhealthy, hence Vegans need " unnaturally " produces supplements in form of powder or pills as they for example lack B12 very often as well as Iron. Although you can get this in through vegetables as well, most can't manage to eat as many.

Science says, eating meat very very very rarely and in small amounts next to a balanced vegetable and fruit based diet, as well as legumes, is the healthiest way to go.

If you want to call this misinformation, alright then, I assume you have already made your decision on being against everything I have said, instead of doing some research on the statements I have made.

And no, I am not going to share dozens of links on here now to prove my point, if you really want to know. Research yourself or accept my word as is.

Cheers.

Well you obviously didn't read my post which was about the total bs of people so concerned about the supposedly 'un-naturalness' or 'un-healthiness' of a vegan diet yet who otherwise are not reaching their full nutritional potential in their current diet. Are you seriously going to admit that your current diet, whatever it is, is supplying you with the total maximum amount of vitamins and minerals set by the utopia of human nutritional standards?

If you drink any kind of soda, or eat any kind of processed food like crisps or whatever, you are so far beyond normal health standards that even commenting about vegan diet makes you an automatic hypocrite.

Good day.

[Zeno]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

I did read some of the posts. But I also read studies and talked to doctors about a plain Vegan diet without supplements. Which is not natural and unhealthy, hence Vegans need " unnaturally " produces supplements in form of powder or pills as they for example lack B12 very often as well as Iron. Although you can get this in through vegetables as well, most can't manage to eat as many.

Science says, eating meat very very very rarely and in small amounts next to a balanced vegetable and fruit based diet, as well as legumes, is the healthiest way to go.

If you want to call this misinformation, alright then, I assume you have already made your decision on being against everything I have said, instead of doing some research on the statements I have made.

And no, I am not going to share dozens of links on here now to prove my point, if you really want to know. Research yourself or accept my word as is.

Cheers.

Well you obviously didn't read my post which was about the total bs of people so concerned about the supposedly 'un-naturalness' or 'un-healthiness' of a vegan diet yet who otherwise are not reaching their full nutritional potential in their current diet. Are you seriously going to admit that your current diet, whatever it is, is supplying you with the total maximum amount of vitamins and minerals set by the utopia of human nutritional standards?

If you drink any kind of soda, or eat any kind of processed food like crisps or whatever, you are so far beyond normal health standards that even commenting about vegan diet makes you an automatic hypocrite.

Good day.

Considering I do not drink soda, nor eat processed foods and especially no crisps, I can proudly say that my diet is as natural as it gets and according to my blood results the vitamins and mineral levels in my blood are 100% good and not lacking behind.

And being Vegan is definitely a lot more healthy than being a fast food junkie or someone who eats unhealthy, of course ! But it is not the ideal diet and can easily done wrong ,especially without supplements, which would cause permanent damage as various scientific studies have proven.

If you like it, go for it. I won't. I am somewhat of a 70% Vegetarian as I eat meat (mostly raw) only once every 3 months and fish (only steamed or raw as sashimi) once a month. I still eat eggs on a weekly basis and cheese maybe once in two weeks (in tiny amounts). Other than that my diet consists of various types of lentils, beans, all vegetables, fruits, nuts, porridge, seeds and so on and on. Bread I eat in small amounts and only the dark kind of bread we have over here in Germany (I bake it myself).

There is many healthy people in my country who live like this.

But thanks for assuming I live like a fast food junkie just for disagreeing with an all vegan diet. I guess this already proves that you are not open nor tolerant to other views on this topic than your own.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Unnatural:
Growing bacteria, collecting their products and filtering out cyonocobalamin, putting it in a pill and swallowing it.

Natural:
Corralling animals into steel pens, drugging them to induce pregnancy to fit a schedule, taking their calves, sucking their milk out through tubes, heat-treating it and drinking it.

Clear as mud.

[Zeno]

Gus the Crocodile님이 먼저 게시:

Unnatural:
Growing bacteria, collecting their products and filtering out cyonocobalamin, putting it in a pill and swallowing it.

Natural:
Corralling animals into steel pens, drugging them to induce pregnancy to fit a schedule, taking their calves, sucking their milk out through tubes, heat-treating it and drinking it.

Clear as mud.

*Natural: Eating non processed foods and meats from good bio sources where animals are not drugged to induce pregnancy, where calves are not taken and where milk is gathered by hand milking and not heat treated.

Not everything is polarized. But if you only want to find the negative then you will. Where I live you can choose what to buy and where to buy it. I thought this was a thing in most of the world by now.

[Holografix]

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Well you obviously didn't read my post which was about the total bs of people so concerned about the supposedly 'un-naturalness' or 'un-healthiness' of a vegan diet yet who otherwise are not reaching their full nutritional potential in their current diet. Are you seriously going to admit that your current diet, whatever it is, is supplying you with the total maximum amount of vitamins and minerals set by the utopia of human nutritional standards?

If you drink any kind of soda, or eat any kind of processed food like crisps or whatever, you are so far beyond normal health standards that even commenting about vegan diet makes you an automatic hypocrite.

Good day.

Considering I do not drink soda, nor eat processed foods and especially no crisps, I can proudly say that my diet is as natural as it gets and according to my blood results the vitamins and mineral levels in my blood are 100% good and not lacking behind.

And being Vegan is definitely a lot more healthy than being a fast food junkie or someone who eats unhealthy, of course ! But it is not the ideal diet and can easily done wrong ,especially without supplements, which would cause permanent damage as various scientific studies have proven.

If you like it, go for it. I won't. I am somewhat of a 70% Vegetarian as I eat meat (mostly raw) only once every 3 months and fish (only steamed or raw as sashimi) once a month. I still eat eggs on a weekly basis and cheese maybe once in two weeks (in tiny amounts). Other than that my diet consists of various types of lentils, beans, all vegetables, fruits, nuts, porridge, seeds and so on and on. Bread I eat in small amounts and only the dark kind of bread we have over here in Germany (I bake it myself).

There is many healthy people in my country who live like this.

But thanks for assuming I live like a fast food junkie just for disagreeing with an all vegan diet. I guess this already proves that you are not open nor tolerant to other views on this topic than your own.

I'm a vegetarian who occasionally posts 'screaming at the sky' rants on Steam off-topic. If you find yourself caught in the wake of my arguments, don't take it personally but instead focus on the subtly and strangeness of it's construction. I do it for the people that appreciate niche aesthetics.

Good day.

[Kaylia MoonRaven]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

Considering I do not drink soda, nor eat processed foods and especially no crisps, I can proudly say that my diet is as natural as it gets and according to my blood results the vitamins and mineral levels in my blood are 100% good and not lacking behind.

And being Vegan is definitely a lot more healthy than being a fast food junkie or someone who eats unhealthy, of course ! But it is not the ideal diet and can easily done wrong ,especially without supplements, which would cause permanent damage as various scientific studies have proven.

If you like it, go for it. I won't. I am somewhat of a 70% Vegetarian as I eat meat (mostly raw) only once every 3 months and fish (only steamed or raw as sashimi) once a month. I still eat eggs on a weekly basis and cheese maybe once in two weeks (in tiny amounts). Other than that my diet consists of various types of lentils, beans, all vegetables, fruits, nuts, porridge, seeds and so on and on. Bread I eat in small amounts and only the dark kind of bread we have over here in Germany (I bake it myself).

There is many healthy people in my country who live like this.

But thanks for assuming I live like a fast food junkie just for disagreeing with an all vegan diet. I guess this already proves that you are not open nor tolerant to other views on this topic than your own.

I do it for the people

Good day.

so not for urself.. since when did u end up as someone elses toy Holo..

[Gus the Crocodile]

I wasn’t saying there was anything wrong with heat treating milk - killing the pathogens in the body fluids of another creature before you drink them is entirely sensible. But it is processing, nonetheless. That’s okay.

[Your_White_Knight]

I'll just leave this here....

https://youtu.be/sUd4L1oSXoE

[Zeno]

Gus the Crocodile님이 먼저 게시:

I wasn’t saying there was anything wrong with heat treating milk - killing the pathogens in the body fluids of another creature before you drink them is entirely sensible. But it is processing, nonetheless. That’s okay.

Processing does not automatically mean things are not natural anymore though. I mean cutting the fat of my steak, putting pepper, herbs and some salt on it and then grilling it over a grill is a process as well, just done by yourself (mostly).

Your comparison was completely unfair and manipulative considering you have NOT considered natural and biologically friendly options of buying and eating animal products such as milk or meat, instead you have choose the mass production, mass factory line of animal products.

You weren't even looking for some option.

[Gus the Crocodile]

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

Processing does not automatically mean things are not natural anymore though.

I mean just a moment ago you said "Natural: eating non processed foods ... ". Though perhaps you meant it in a "that's one thing that's definitely natural, not the only way to be natural" way. No worries in that case.

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

you have NOT considered natural and biologically friendly options of buying and eating animal products such as milk or meat

I don't consider "natural" to be a well defined term, so I don't use it to categorise things. I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean. Is something natural if it's not artificial, not man-made? If that's how we're using the term, then that slab of meat at the supermarket is unnatural regardless of the conditions on the farm. Is something unnatural if it's not how ancient humans lived? Then all modern agriculture is unnatural, even at relatively small scales.

I don't think there's a good way to reconcile a useful meaning in this context from the concept of "natural". Either human beings and their actions are part of nature or they aren't. (I tend toward the former, since I consider nature to be, well, the universe, and human beings clearly exist)

And I don't consider there to be a "friendly" (I'm not sure what "biologically friendly" means) way to hit an animal with a boltgun and slit its throat when I could simply eat plants instead.

It's not that I haven't considered these terms and options. It's that I have considered them and come to different conclusions than you did.

[Zeno]

Gus the Crocodile님이 먼저 게시:

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

Processing does not automatically mean things are not natural anymore though.

I mean just a moment ago you said "Natural: eating non processed foods ... ". Though perhaps you meant it in a "that's one thing that's definitely natural, not the only way to be natural" way. No worries in that case.

IvarBoneless123님이 먼저 게시:

you have NOT considered natural and biologically friendly options of buying and eating animal products such as milk or meat

I don't consider "natural" to be a well defined term, so I don't use it to categorise things. I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean. Is something natural if it's not artificial, not man-made? If that's how we're using the term, then that slab of meat at the supermarket is unnatural regardless of the conditions on the farm. Is something unnatural if it's not how ancient humans lived? Then all modern agriculture is unnatural, even at relatively small scales.

I don't think there's a good way to reconcile a useful meaning in this context from the concept of "natural". Either human beings and their actions are part of nature or they aren't. (I tend toward the former, since I consider nature to be, well, the universe, and human beings clearly exist)

And I don't consider there to be a "friendly" (I'm not sure what "biologically friendly" means) way to hit an animal with a boltgun and slit its throat when I could simply eat plants instead.

It's not that I haven't considered these terms and options. It's that I have considered them and come to different conclusions than you did.

Cool points but I don't really want to go in to a deep discussion here. All I can say is, I am very very healthy, happy and my body is very defined. Diet has never been a problem for me since I live like I live now.

Cheers.