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Natural Love 2021 年 9 月 25 日 下午 7:38
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Going vegan
Anyone here thought about to become a vegan?Or do you think meat will never leave your plate.There are plenty of reason to become one but there are also a lot of downsides
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Holografix 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 5:46 
引用自 Plaid
引用自 Holografix
i never posted that being vegan is guilt free. i'm not a vegan, i'm vegetarian. And vegan/vegetarian is ultimately better for the environment than eating meat.

Claiming that the fruit/vegetable industry is worse than the meat industry is a lie.

I'm not a representative for any of those industries, so I can't answer them anyway even if in some pretend world those questions WEREN'T bait questions.
This is why labels are so important so we can make informed decisions about the food we buy.
Of course, I can't control whether a company falsely markets their products but, aside from only eating the stuff I grow or visiting a local farm, it's the best we have.

I look for non-GMO, organic, soy free, palm oil free. Companies that are pretty much green.
The chocolate I buy doesn't destroy the rainforest, the chips I buy support the Seed Savers Exchange, etc.

Of course, nobody should be buying the Nabisco right now - they treat their workers like trash.
exactly. thank you.
AdahnGorion 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 5:48 
引用自 Holografix
引用自 Darkie
You know that my argument is based on science with the nutrients and the rise of humankind.

Veganism stems from religion.. it is religious in its origin nature, its based on belief and purification.

Again.. beliefs are fine.. My argument here was. Do as you want, but don´t claim moral high ground.
DARKIE? Y ARE YOU DISINGENUOUS?

Veganism is a religion? You're a scientist? You don't want others to claim moral high ground?

DARKIE!!! YOU ARE TRIPPING.

I said it was religious in its origin (many things are) I never said it was a religion. there is a difference after all.
Science is belief as well.. belief in the most logical answer (that does not mean its truth ofc) hence that I strive to find solution that seems "most logical"

Crocodile can be right when he says we should eat less meat, I actually agree with that. I just also think we should not import nuts, rice and carrots from across the globe.. because that is just as bad.
Gus the Crocodile 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:05 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
What's the difference between the "eternal truths" you pride yourself on not having, and this kind of silly unscientific proclamation? We don't need meat to "sustain our intelligence". I'm sure this is related to your common observation about evolutionary development, but evolution isn't a meat-powered bar in a videogame that we need to keep topped up.
You know that my argument is based on science with the nutrients and the rise of humankind. You can google it or look up our old locked vegan thread (any of them)
Like when movies say "based on a true story", the fact that one idea has scientific merit doesn't mean every weird extrapolation you decide to make that's related to that idea also has merit. The claim that "we need meat to sustain our intelligence long term" is not scientific, it is nonsense.

引用自 Darkie
Vegans lack vital nutrients unless they suppliment up
If you arbitrarily define some forms of nutrition as a "supplement", then "they lack vital nutrients unless they supplement up" can be made true of you or anyone else. This is marketing, not science.

We eat meat in big chunks because it's straightforward to produce it that way. But with something like B12 which is produced by bacteria, how do you suggest people package it other than adding it to other foods (like fortified milks) or pressing it into a small shape like a pill?

Getting over the idea that some parts of the diet are magically not parts of the diet based on their shape would be a good idea. Digestion is digestion.
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ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:11 
引用自 🌈Cloud Boy🌈
If you are going vegan, at least eat eggs for the protein. Egg is good, it's neither meat nor fish. Also eat plenty of vegetables and fruits along with milk / milk products, rice and breads. Okay.

that wouldn't be vegan.

and eggs are not good, the egg industry is horrific and the poor hens are made to lay eggs unnaturally high compared to the amount they would lay in the wild, so much so in fact that the calcium that forms the eggs shell depletes the bone mass of the poor chicken, its not uncommon for hens to crippled in their filthy cages while the profiteers still demand eggs from them until their dying breath.

You want protein, go to pulses like lentils and beans, far superior and healthy and don't torture a poor hen throughout its life.

as for milk, also cruel and not healthy or worth the torture inflicted on the poor cow. You need not take the growth formula intended for a baby cow to grow to feed yourself while that poor baby cow has its throat slit before it even learns how to walk.
Holografix 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:55 
引用自 🌈Cloud Boy🌈
If you are going vegan, at least eat eggs for the protein. Egg is good, it's neither meat nor fish. Also eat plenty of vegetables and fruits along with milk / milk products, rice and breads. Okay.

that wouldn't be vegan.

and eggs are not good, the egg industry is horrific and the poor hens are made to lay eggs unnaturally high compared to the amount they would lay in the wild, so much so in fact that the calcium that forms the eggs shell depletes the bone mass of the poor chicken, its not uncommon for hens to crippled in their filthy cages while the profiteers still demand eggs from them until their dying breath.

You want protein, go to pulses like lentils and beans, far superior and healthy and don't torture a poor hen throughout its life.

as for milk, also cruel and not healthy or worth the torture inflicted on the poor cow. You need not take the growth formula intended for a baby cow to grow to feed yourself while that poor baby cow has its throat slit before it even learns how to walk.
jeez bun, dark much?
Mr Jt (Gog is king) 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:08 
I noticed there is an actual big bio/nature trend especially in the cosmetic industrie with less chemicals etc and same goes for food.There are more bio/vegan products than ever before….interesting to see such a trend
AdahnGorion 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:13 
引用自 Jt
I noticed there is an actual big bio/nature trend especially in the cosmetic industrie with less chemicals etc and same goes for food.There are more bio/vegan products than ever before….interesting to see such a trend

It has been here for ages.
We had bio/eco product 20 years ago as well ie (with that label) but tbh.. even before that, you could easily buy locally.

You can´t compare vegan products to bio/eco.. since vegan products can be filled with chemicals and whatnot.. bio/eco does not.

(ofc obviously, vegan product can be bio as well !! just to be clear about that, just like many other things.. even my soap is bio/eco)
最后由 AdahnGorion 编辑于; 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:14
Mr Jt (Gog is king) 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:15 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 Jt
I noticed there is an actual big bio/nature trend especially in the cosmetic industrie with less chemicals etc and same goes for food.There are more bio/vegan products than ever before….interesting to see such a trend

It has been here for ages.
We had bio/eco product 20 years ago as well ie (with that label) but tbh.. even before that, you could easily buy locally.

You can´t compare vegan products to bio/eco.. since vegan products can be filled with chemicals and whatnot.. bio/eco does not.

Yeah but it’s much bigger than usual
AdahnGorion 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:21 
引用自 Jt
引用自 Darkie

It has been here for ages.
We had bio/eco product 20 years ago as well ie (with that label) but tbh.. even before that, you could easily buy locally.

You can´t compare vegan products to bio/eco.. since vegan products can be filled with chemicals and whatnot.. bio/eco does not.

Yeah but it’s much bigger than usual

In the stores I buy stuff (for over 10 years now) most products are local and bio/eco
Ganger 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:07 
引用自 Darkie
But if you are arguing that meat alone is a huge reason enviromental issues ie. our clima change.. then it is just wrong..

It's to easy to blame world issues on something someone disagrees with, in this case vegans try to make the case that eating meat is causing climate change while ignoring the true facts solely to fit their own agenda.
ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 11:50 
引用自 Holografix

that wouldn't be vegan.

and eggs are not good, the egg industry is horrific and the poor hens are made to lay eggs unnaturally high compared to the amount they would lay in the wild, so much so in fact that the calcium that forms the eggs shell depletes the bone mass of the poor chicken, its not uncommon for hens to crippled in their filthy cages while the profiteers still demand eggs from them until their dying breath.

You want protein, go to pulses like lentils and beans, far superior and healthy and don't torture a poor hen throughout its life.

as for milk, also cruel and not healthy or worth the torture inflicted on the poor cow. You need not take the growth formula intended for a baby cow to grow to feed yourself while that poor baby cow has its throat slit before it even learns how to walk.
jeez bun, dark much?

its just reality.
Mr Jt (Gog is king) 2021 年 10 月 1 日 上午 2:27 
引用自 Ganger
引用自 Darkie
But if you are arguing that meat alone is a huge reason enviromental issues ie. our clima change.. then it is just wrong..

It's to easy to blame world issues on something someone disagrees with, in this case vegans try to make the case that eating meat is causing climate change while ignoring the true facts solely to fit their own agenda.

Well im not a vegan but it’s definetly a good thing to save animal lives
Radene 2021 年 10 月 1 日 上午 2:29 
引用自 Jt
引用自 Ganger

It's to easy to blame world issues on something someone disagrees with, in this case vegans try to make the case that eating meat is causing climate change while ignoring the true facts solely to fit their own agenda.

Well im not a vegan but it’s definetly a good thing to save animal lives

All animal lives, or only the cute ones?
Ganger 2021 年 10 月 1 日 上午 4:45 
引用自 Jt

Well im not a vegan but it’s definetly a good thing to save animal lives

It's not saving the animals most people care for, it's mostly the welfare of these livestock we care for. On most normal farms, cows, sheep and other animals roam free (to a degree). The farmer looks after their welfare and upbringing to the point of slaughter.

It's these massive warehouse places that raise animals solely for slaughter and were animals are held in horrid conditions. I have seen videos of these places and it's truly shocking.

Another question I want to raise, who is profiting from veganism, questions need asking are these people who are making the money at the top also vegan or is it just a way for them to make money of the backs of vegans.
Xuild 2021 年 10 月 1 日 上午 5:14 
引用自 Radene
引用自 Jt

Well im not a vegan but it’s definetly a good thing to save animal lives

All animal lives, or only the cute ones?
my choice of animals that deserve to live are only the ones that are for humanity, dogs, cats and things eaten for meat


my idea for getting meat is waiting until the cow dies on a farm then eating it so you don't torture it and it lives a happy life!
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