Going vegan

[Natural Love]

Anyone here thought about to become a vegan?Or do you think meat will never leave your plate.There are plenty of reason to become one but there are also a lot of downsides

[Ganger]

Another point I would like to bring up...

Do people really believe some of these youtube, sport and hollywood stars who claim to be vegan ?

Or do you suspect they secretly eat animal products behind the scenes ? I do suspect some do myself, just my two cents.

[marci 🎮]

Ganger eredeti hozzászólása:

Another point I would like to bring up...

Do people really believe some of these youtube, sport and hollywood stars who claim to be vegan ?

Or do you suspect they secretly eat animal products behind the scenes ? I do suspect some do myself, just my two cents.

Oh, definitely! It's just the current 'next thing' for a lot of people.

[Radene]

💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕 eredeti hozzászólása:

Seldon eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm no doctor, nor a nutrition specialist, however, I find it very interesting that most (well accomplished) ultra runners are vegetarians or vegans. And they all claim to have better performances without meat.

Does this mean that the everyday Joe should go vegan? Absolutely not. But there is definitely a connection between performing well in certain sports, like long distance running (on a professional and on a hobby level as well) and not eating any meat.

I am more fit than any one of my friends that eat meat, I can run a full marathon and they can't.

I can't run a ful marathon either, but I think that has more to do with the fact that I don't train for long-distance running... Or see any reason to.

[marci 🎮]

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Seldon eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm no doctor, nor a nutrition specialist, however, I find it very interesting that most (well accomplished) ultra runners are vegetarians or vegans. And they all claim to have better performances without meat.

Does this mean that the everyday Joe should go vegan? Absolutely not. But there is definitely a connection between performing well in certain sports, like long distance running (on a professional and on a hobby level as well) and not eating any meat.

I am more fit than any one of my friends that eat meat, I can run a full marathon and they can't.

Very nice! Carrots and beans really help us somehow run further lol

((wholesome profile btw))

[saranacX]

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Seldon eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm no doctor, nor a nutrition specialist, however, I find it very interesting that most (well accomplished) ultra runners are vegetarians or vegans. And they all claim to have better performances without meat.

Does this mean that the everyday Joe should go vegan? Absolutely not. But there is definitely a connection between performing well in certain sports, like long distance running (on a professional and on a hobby level as well) and not eating any meat.

I am more fit than any one of my friends that eat meat, I can run a full marathon and they can't.

That's a lot of hopping.

[AdahnGorion]

💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕 eredeti hozzászólása:

Seldon eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm no doctor, nor a nutrition specialist, however, I find it very interesting that most (well accomplished) ultra runners are vegetarians or vegans. And they all claim to have better performances without meat.

Does this mean that the everyday Joe should go vegan? Absolutely not. But there is definitely a connection between performing well in certain sports, like long distance running (on a professional and on a hobby level as well) and not eating any meat.

I am more fit than any one of my friends that eat meat, I can run a full marathon and they can't.

That is called a strawman Amy.

You could also have said.

I am shorter than most of my friends that eat meat or I have blue yes, my meat eater friends have brown..

It is a inavlid argument (all is) because you don´t specific your own definion on "fit" and the lifestyle of your "friends"


It is like... People with higher education are more intelligent. I have a higher education than Amy and Amy is a vegan, thus Vegan´s are not as intelligent.. kinda strawman..... its silly.

You should really repond to my old post, because that could debate some more overall factors and not just subjective bias and self experience only.

Darkie eredeti hozzászólása:

💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕 eredeti hozzászólása:

I dunno vegetables are not that expensive, its the pre packaged vegan food that suffers from "vegan tax"

cook your own food from fresh raw ingredients and its not expensive at all

A local and eco/bio cucumber here is 1.5 euro. Calories per 100 grams (45)
A (tiny/medium sized) local and eco/bio cauliflower is 2 euro here. (25 cal per 100g)
1 kg carrots (local and eco/bio) is 2 euro as well here. (41 cal per 100 gram)

Obviously, you would have to eat other things (bulgur, rice, pasta, whatever you favour, some like beans as well) to make a proper cal based diet.. the thing is.. rice/pasta/etc is not that good, even potato has issues, even more so if you train.. (yes I know there are other options)

But if you go for local/eco/bio products, then you are limited and can´t just buy everything, even if you are not, it is still expenssive..

Local/eco (this also means the animals are living in huge spaces and in general have good enviroment/good natural diets) is like

Chicken breast 400 gram = 5-6 euro - 165 cal per 100 gram)
If it was non eco/local, then it would be like 3 euro.

We could add fish or even beef if you wanted (I personally eat mostly white meat and only very rarely eat beef and other red meats)


My point here is, that to gain the same nutrients and a good variety, it is a lot more expenssive to be full vegan and even more so if you want to be local/vegan (If you know how humans that grow rice banana carrots, etc in 3rd world countries and non eco/bio suffer... you would never buy any of them)

The amount of pesticides used for veggies are extreme and kills mother earth.. (it is crazy)
This is not an defence of meat or attack of vegans.. My point is... there is no real "cruelty free" or "perfect saintly" diet... most humans struggle for survival and don´t even have access to clean water, a roasted rat would be a feast for them.


Actually, Rat.. now that we talk about that, would be a rather good snack (if it was breed for it and controlled) because it has hgih amounts of calories and they produce many off spring and don´t have to eat much.

1 serving of a rat (300 grams) would go around 600 or more calories and would also give many vital nutrients.. it would also be much more healthy than proccess foods (ie meat, like proccess chicken)


Allright.. that was a sidestep.. anyway.. my point is.. most people can´t afford to be vagan and most that do it for religious reasons (they are the majority of vegans) often cheat and stil leat lacto products and even fish when needed.


I am in favour of local/bio products more so than siding with either carnivore or vegan styled diets.. (most do eat omnivoric ofc) but my point is... I think sustainability and how we treat our world (also plants !!! ) is important.


Again. me eating my local based bio chicken, is less of an bad impact on the enviroment, than someone buying non local or none bio vegan products or just raw veggies for that matter (if they have to come from across the globe, the emmision is crazy and the pestisides are crazy)



Now... in a perfect world, we would just grow sea weed and farm mealworms and then mash that into a cube, that we would all eat daily... but is that really what most people want? and would it change whom we are? not just physically, but also emotionally ?..


Anyway... I don´t think there is any eternal truths, but I personally do think, that most people in the world just eat what they can get their hands on... we are almost 8 billion people on eat...

100 years ago, we were not even 2 billion people..................



I can tell you what our biggest issue is, but that would be too political for steam.. (I am still surprised this thread is even up)


Anyway.. people can eat whatever they want in our current free world.. nobody should claim eternal truth.. I still see some claim that plants and tree´s can´t feel anything and then they post science (science is more divided on this, than one should think) but go 100 years back and many animals we consider having emotions etc today, was just "empty" husk living to give us food on the table... science advance.. maybe the next thing will be that plants feel pain (they do register being cut etc)



Last closing statement.

Everything that lives seems to feeds on something to survive. Energy seems (we can never be 100% certain about anything) to be the main factor in everything in our entire universe.. there is a reason why our main priority is food and water (energy) without this, we perish.

[Ganger]

Seldon eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh, definitely! It's just the current 'next thing' for a lot of people.

I have always suspected some of them are fakers jumping on the vegan bandwagon.

One vegan influencer 'Yovana Mendoza' was caught out eating fish while all along selling her vegan diet. She claim medical reasons why she started eating meat again but didn't inform the vegan community but still pedalling her vegan way of life. Only once she was caught did she come clean.

After being caught, https://www.boredpanda.com/vegan-influencer-caught-eating-fish-video-reactions-yovana-mendoza-ayres/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

[Esoteric]

Ganger eredeti hozzászólása:

Another point I would like to bring up...

Do people really believe some of these youtube, sport and hollywood stars who claim to be vegan ?

Or do you suspect they secretly eat animal products behind the scenes ? I do suspect some do myself, just my two cents.

A lot of celebrities claim to be Vegan and while some are sincere a lot are probably just claiming to be for attention.

[Ganger]

PS... because of this thread, I been checking out articles in regards to vegans and vegetarians and now my facebook is full of vegan stuff

[Chris]

Its very hard and expensive but its pretty healthy according to man articles.I respect people for doing that

[Dracoco OwO]

Seldon eredeti hozzászólása:

Dracoco OwO eredeti hozzászólása:

They take supplements, so that's irrelevant.

That's a false argument on so many levels.

Are you insinuating it has no effect or that it isn't a common practice?

[Holografix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J420Pw-y3lw
KRS-One made this song in 1990 about the grossness of the meat industry.

Lyrics:
Beef what a relief
When will this poisonous product cease?
This is another public service announcement
You can believe it or you can doubt it
Let us begin now with the cow
The way it gets to your plate and how
The cow doesn't grow fast enough for man
So through his greed he makes a faster plan
He has drugs to make the cow grow quicker
Through the stress the cow gets sicker
Twenty one different drugs are pumped
Into the cow in one big lump
So just before it dies, it cries
In the slaughterhouse full of germs and flies
Off with the head, they pack it, drain it, and cart it
And there it is, in your local supermarket
Red and bloody, a corpse, neatly packed
And you wonder about heart attacks?
Come on now man let's be for real
You are what you eat is the way I feel
But, the Food and Drug Administration
Will tell you meat is the perfect combination
See cows live under fear and stress
Trying to think what's gonna happen next
Fear and stress can become a part of you
In your cells and blood, this is true
So when the cow is killed, believe it
You preserve those cells, you freeze it
Thaw it out with the blood and season it
Then you sit down and begin eatin it
In your body, it's structure becomes your structure
All the fear and stress of another
Any drug is addictive by any name
Even drugs in meat, they are the same
The FDA has America strung out
On drugs in beef no doubt
So if you think that what I say is a bunch of crock
Tell yourself you're gonna try and stop
Eatin meat and you'll see you can't compete
It's the number one drug on the street
Not crack, cause that was made for just black
But brown beef, for all American teeth
Life brings life and death brings death
Keep on eatin the dead and what's left
Absolute disease and negative
Read the book 'How to Eat to Live'
By Elijah Muhammad, it's a brown paperback
For anybody, either white or black
See how many cows must be pumped up fatter
How many rats gotta fall in the batter
How many chickens that eat ♥♥♥♥ you eat
How much high blood pressure you get from pig feet
See you'll consume, the FDA could care less
They'll sell you donkey meat and say it's
FRESH! For nineteen-ninety, you SUCKERS

[Esoteric]

I do sometimes feel sorry for animals but I just love meat too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much to give it up.

[Dracoco OwO]

Sephult eredeti hozzászólása:

I do sometimes feel sorry for animals but I just love meat too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much to give it up.

Yeah same, that wouldn't be fair for plants either.

[Holografix]

Dracoco OwO eredeti hozzászólása:

Sephult eredeti hozzászólása:

I do sometimes feel sorry for animals but I just love meat too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much to give it up.

Yeah same, that wouldn't be fair for plants either.

push that logic all the way to the end. IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THE HUMANS EITHER, TO EAT ALL THAT HORRIBLE UNHEALTHY MEAT.

*this post was to show how ridiculous the empathy argument is, if taken to it's logical outcome. "SAVE THE PLANTS, EAT MEAT" is not a serious argument.