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KT Chong (已封禁) 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 4:58
TikTok and WeChat download ban begins Sunday, full ban on Nov 12 (in the US)
If you have either TikTok and WeChat installed on your phone, the app will continue to work. However, both apps will be removed from Apple App Store and Google Play store. So, starting on Sunday, Americans will not be able to download TikTok or WeChat, and current users will no longer be able to update TikTok or WeChat in the future.

The FULL ban will begin on November 12: that is when TikTok and WeChat will STOP working on iPhone and Android. I use Android devices. Google has in the past removed apps that I HAD PAID FOR and were already installed on my Android devices... AND GOOGLE REMOVED MY APPS WITHOUT MY PERMISSION! Google did not give me a refund either. (F- you, Google.) Not sure if TikTok and WeChat will get the same treatment.

Sources:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/tech/tiktok-download-commerce/index.html

https://www.cnet.com/news/tiktok-wechat-downloads-will-be-barred-from-us-starting-sunday/

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-banning-all-tiktok-downloads-from-september-20-2020-9
最后由 KT Chong 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 5:40
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Quy 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 10:51 
引用自 KT Chong
The FULL ban will begin on November 12: that is when TikTok and WeChat will STOP working on
finally they doing it , i've seen too much underage 18+ community get brainwashed by tiktok and goes mental health issue , this should've been done long time ago.
Azza ☠ 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 10:55 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
引用自 Azza ☠

You have no idea the rabbit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaC57tcci0

The Social Dilemma shows you watch is already happening on the American side, they just became paranoid if they are already doing it, perhaps others might be too.

When an app is free, it's no longer a product, but rather you are that product. Advertising collects personal data for targeting. Yet it's gone beyond that now, to shape human behaviours and create movements. Positive or negative doesn't matter.

Tiktok users can create movements, huge movements. Like they did to the Trump rally. Hense why he wants to get rid of it.

Why you think China has a firewall to shape information flows. It's the same deal.
........ and you have no idea what you're talking about. The US government and the communications industry have been in bed together for decades upon decades. If you are an IT security expert you would know that..but..

So your little fantastic idea about using a VPN to use the app is laughable and stop believing everything you see on YouTube.


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Rolls eyes. You can use a VPN to still use the app, if you don't believe me, then that's on you. I could care less, since you don't even want to use the app and just need to protect your kings idea of blocking things and ignoring the real problems.
C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 10:59 
引用自 Azza ☠
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
........ and you have no idea what you're talking about. The US government and the communications industry have been in bed together for decades upon decades. If you are an IT security expert you would know that..but..

So your little fantastic idea about using a VPN to use the app is laughable and stop believing everything you see on YouTube.


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Rolls eyes. You can use a VPN to still use the app, if you don't believe me, then that's on you. I could care less, since you don't even want to use the app and just need to protect your kings idea of blocking things and ignoring the real problems.
You have no idea how government policies work, much less the US. Read what I said. The US government knows everything about the communications industry. A VPN is part of that communications industry. I'll repeat what I said, they have been in bed together since the 1950s. I'll let that sink in while you connect the dots. The funny thing is you're sitting here claiming to be an IT security expert and you really think that a VPN is going to stop the government from knowing what you're doing....lol.
Azza ☠ 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 11:31 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
引用自 Azza ☠

Rolls eyes. You can use a VPN to still use the app, if you don't believe me, then that's on you. I could care less, since you don't even want to use the app and just need to protect your kings idea of blocking things and ignoring the real problems.
You have no idea how government policies work, much less the US. Read what I said. The US government knows everything about the communications industry. A VPN is part of that communications industry. I'll repeat what I said, they have been in bed together since the 1950s. I'll let that sink in while you connect the dots. The funny thing is you're sitting here claiming to be an IT security expert and you really think that a VPN is going to stop the government from knowing what you're doing....lol.

I get what you mean now, but you seem to assume all VPNs are American based companies too. It would be more logical to be at the ISP (Internet Service Provider) level if they really wanted to enforce it.

Ideally, Tiktok will still be able for the US citizens, specially if they already have the app installed and don't need to change country stores.

The US Government or ISP can see you using a VPN, but seriously you think they will enforce it that hard on a bunch of teens just looking for their social platform they are already pretty much hooked upon using on a daily basis?

You are either going have to deal with millions bypassing the ban, because they can and will. Or offer a better replacement. If you don't believe that, then clearly you haven't been a teenager before in your life.
C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2020 年 9 月 18 日 下午 11:35 
引用自 davidb11
Azza, did you not see the fact that TikTok is no longer going to be banned because it's been bought out by an American company?
Your complaints are null and void because of that.

Stop worrying.
I seriously doubt that he's an IT security expert, anyway.
Quy 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 12:38 
Not to mention, what you describe is not an issue that TikTok is causing - TikTok is merely a platform, a catalyst, a place of facilitation.
TikTok is just an app not a platform that what i know but what it cause were making milion of people being brainless underage worldwide(china itself already been brainwashed by communism so it doesn't count) , here my example how it spread like a disease when (person1) love to use tiktok and he want his friend(person2) to use tiktok , his friend(person2) could not say no because (person2) has emotional and empathy and want to make a friend or still kinda shy to social.
----------- i'm not very well at explaining psychology in public , but yeah take my half example or not , here my last reply , only through violence can fix the problem , if you cannot see the problem your opinions doesn't matter.
最后由 Quy 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 12:53
Radene 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 12:40 
引用自 KT Chong
引用自 TWPanda77
Wechat very important for me but I guess I need find other way to have communications if ban extends for UK accounts.

Telegram.

It's new but gaining popularity. Made by two Russians who are hiding in Europe and refuse to cooperate with the USA -- i.e., the NSA or CIA. You want an app that is beyond the reach of the US government.

I REFUSE to install and use Facebook's WhatsApp, which demanded to scan my phone and my contacts. F- you CIA asset Zuckerberg!

... wanna bet the US will find some reason to ban Telegram too?

Telegram isn't "new". Been around for years.
76561198315424152 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 2:36 
What are these apps used for?
🦜Cloud Boy🦜 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 2:49 
india also banned TikTok, WeChat, PubG mobile long ago. NO one should fund China communists. Because eventually they will use that money against western democratic countries.

Do not empower communists.
76561198315424152 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 3:01 
Maybe u shouldnt put a stamp on billions if people and pretend like u know anything haha. Trying to act superior and like u know the future cause of"democracy" and "western"😂 like western countries arent hiding any skeletons. where are u from then.
Azza ☠ 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 9:28 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
引用自 davidb11
Azza, did you not see the fact that TikTok is no longer going to be banned because it's been bought out by an American company?
Your complaints are null and void because of that.

Stop worrying.
I seriously doubt that he's an IT security expert, anyway.

If you really want to know...

From the security and privacy side of things.

The evidence against WeChat is seriously lacking. The evidence against TikTok had some things I even looked into, such as monitoring of the clipboard content, however it was not uploading or using that content, but rather an anti-spamming feature check they later removed when complained about. It was checking for copy/paste of repeating spam, which appears fishy from a privacy/security point of view, but after checking and monitor data packets it's not of concern specially now they don't even do it anymore. I've monitored the app in a honeypot server and seen the data packets sent/received, it's not that hard to figure out what it's actually doing.

The privacy and security of both of those apps are at much less risk than those of Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft and even the Oracle Corp.

It's like suggesting Kaspersky Internet Security, since it was from Russia, affected US security. Which was a lie before in the past as well. Again that was something I looked into. Yet I would trust that product, more than some American based ones.

You see this isn't really about your privacy. As for security concerns, I've already deal with Kaspersky and TikTok, yet I don't see any problems with using those apps. Those are just the apps picked out of a bunch as pawns. Blocking those apps would never stop a real hacker or personal data collection anyways. It's more lose than gain.

This is merely a copy of what China is already doing with the great wall of China and the great firewall. Trump is recreating it for America. It's a love/hate relationship. Becoming what they focus upon, yet you are brainwashed into hating the completely same thing from the other side.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 9:39
Xautos 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 9:40 
It wasn't a secret or anything, the BBC reported on it a few weeks back that the POTUS had been pushing to ban the Chinese social networking sites due Chinese involvement in the USA on a political level.

It was only a matter of time before it would happen.

There is still the question of selling the Tiktok side in America to another group in the USA so it can probably be rebranded and put on the market as a trophy.
Azza ☠ 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 9:42 
引用自 davidb11
You need to actually look up the history of Kaspersky sir. :P

Kaspersky detected the NSA (US Government Spying) trojan virus created to infect certain hard drives and spy upon them. It managed to get NSA code uploaded to it's cloud service as it was being detected as spyware.

That caused the US Government to assume the company was stealing their data and caused them to boycott it, shift blame and slander it to the ground.

I'm very aware of what actually happens vs what the media tells you.

This is the closest information: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/11/kaspersky-yes-we-obtained-nsa-secrets-no-we-didnt-help-steal-them/
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 19 日 上午 9:43
Azza ☠ 2020 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:02 
Trump is looking at banning Fortnite next or the entire Epic games from American kids.

Told you it was just the start of censorship. Tencent owns a 40% stake in Epic Games, so he wants to use that as an excuse for it being Chinese spyware and not safe for Americans to use.

Talk about hidden agenda, but that goes into politics we can't talk about here and I don't wish to either...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-MMZX27nUo

ps: In other news, Samsung appears to be actual spyware, with the Samsung Magician 6.2.0 app snooping IP Address and scanning SSD content so much it's causing it to crash out via a block of the Microsoft Windows 10 security layer. Go read some other privacy agreements and then you might question using many others in comparison.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:07
KT Chong (已封禁) 2020 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:07 
I think WeChat operates its own online payment system, which is fairly popular in China and parts of East Asia. That means WeChat users could pay into WeChat's online payment system for online currencies, and then they would use their money on WeChat money to pay for goods and services. So, people in the US who have paid into the WeChat online payment system are seriously SCREWED. Those people are typically Chinese-ethnics who have friends or relatives in China, or people who wanted to use a Chinese online payment system to buy stuff from/in China, because nowadays in China everyone uses some forms of online payment system instead of real currencies.

TikTok still has a chance to save itself in the US by selling to Oracle, (and it is obvious that Trump is ONLY going to allow TikTok to sell to his good friend, supporter and Oracle CEO, Larry Ellison.)

However, WeChat is GONE for good. WeChat is effectively DEAD in the US. Some Chinese in the US filed an injunction appeal to block the Trump ban, (likely people who had paid into the WeChat online payment system,) but the federal district court has refused to consider the case. WeChat ain't coming back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkuV0A4t2T4
最后由 KT Chong 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:24
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