Is Being a Pescetarian Hypocritical?

[Jinn-Gon Qui]

This came to my mind just recently. While I always say that "you are what you eat" and that we should all gather our food naturally, by hunting and farming it; or have someone for us to NATURALLY do so than the industrial meat-grinders, I also don't have a problem with hunting as someone who may technically still be labeled under "vegetarianism". I like hunting (but I don't meat) and I like fishing.

Morally, I feel bad about "land" animals and that's part of the reason I stopped eating meat, including birds. But I never cared about birds and don't have a problem with hunting or killing them (for others at least because I still do so naturally than purchasing them off the market), or fish for this specific matter, if I go out on a boat to literally fish out my food. I don't have the same feeling for "sea" animals as I have for "land" animals, and yet I always liked fish; stating it's the best of both worlds.

That still raises the question, however. I'm not preaching this in ideological standards, and decided this by nutritional purposes, but am I a hypocrite for caring about "land" animals, yet don't have a problem with hunting ANY animal whatsoever, while being a fish-eater?

[Jinn-Gon Qui]

İlk olarak Holografix tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Jinn-Gon Qui tarafından gönderildi:

Well, you learn something new everyday.

I wasn't actually aware that such lifestyle was exactly labeled under vegetarianism, but I think you see why I'm of the opinion about the eggs thing. Sure it was a stretch, but I believe it's still a fair analogy.

A stretch, sure. Fair, nah.

Btw:
https://vegetarian-nation.com/resources/common-questions/types-levels-vegetarian/
Pescatarian (Pescetarian)

While technically not a type of vegetarian, these individuals do restrict their meat consumption to fish and seafood only. Pescatarians do not consume red meat, white meat or fowl. This is considered a “semi-vegetarian” or “flexitarian” diet.

Agreed.

[Gus the Crocodile]

That’s very weird. Animal flesh is animal flesh. Makes about as much sense to me to call someone who eats beef and lamb but no fish a “semi-vegetarian”.

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

İlk olarak Holografix tarafından gönderildi:

It's fine and dandy to have a moral stance about cruelty to animals, but tbh going full vegetarian is really healthy for you. You really don't need the meat for nutrition, so the only thing that has you tied up in moral knots is your 'taste' and 'desire' for meat flavor.

vegan is even healthier, eggs and dairy are not healthy at all.

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

İlk olarak Doctor Go-Go tarafından gönderildi:

I don't feel great about eating other animals and I don't enjoy killing them, but I know cattle, chickens and fish are oblivious, nearly brain dead. It's not as if they're being deprived of something, they live a meaningless existence. They're not aware.
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They are very aware, they are not as stupid as some people think. Have you ever seen how a mother dairy cow acts when her baby is taken away and murdered just so humans can take the baby cows milk for profit? The mother cow acts just the same as a human mother that had her baby stolen would.

[Jinn-Gon Qui]

İlk olarak cyberluddite tarafından gönderildi:

Eat whatever you enjoy, but make sure you use everything you hunt even if the animal is for someone else. That's not just me saying this, this is basically every pre-Industrial culture that's ever existed saying this.

And no, not hypocritical at all. This is a question that indicates a wise hunter in training.

EXACTLY! That's exactly my point!

I wouldn't care if my own family would be meat eaters, as long as it's gained from nature itself and not the factory.

[White Knight]

Well, OP, I'd say that your food choices are yours, and it isn't anyone's business.

Posting it publicly, and displaying your personal labels, makes it ideological. Posting it in a forum where you know it will be noticed by vegans and breatharians, etc... even more so.

I've known a lot of vegetarians and vegans over the years. Many of them apply qualifiers like "ictho" or "ovo", and foolishness like that to their labels. Most of them make "exceptions" from time to time, like turkey at holiday dinners, or just a bit of bacon... because, bacon is tasty.

Hypocrisy is the norm, it is expected, and you will certainly be judged by your "enlightened" friends for it.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is thoughtful about what they consume is already ahead of the curve. I can respect your thoughtful choices while condemning all attempts to coerce or control the choices of others.

Any movement that puts you at odds with your neighbours, is likely misguided. As long as people are divided and at odds with each other, no one will have the time to address the truly important issues.

[pants]

İlk olarak Doctor Go-Go tarafından gönderildi:

We need to eat, I feel satisfied and functional when I eat some beef, fish, eggs or chicken, NOT when I eat any other supposed source of protein and potassium.

I don't feel great about eating other animals and I don't enjoy killing them, but I know cattle, chickens and fish are oblivious, nearly brain dead. It's not as if they're being deprived of something, they live a meaningless existence. They're not aware.

It does piss me off though when people mistreat animals. They die so others may live, so be appreciative and respectful. Don't torment them.

Cattle, chickens, and fish sure aren't the brightest in all creation, but they are by no means oblivious or brain dead.

Except for when it's a cow you want to move out of your way. But from their perspective we're just really annoying and loud terrain. Or hell, even meat. And they aren't into that! That's weird! Ugh! It's the bipedal meat creature again! WHY ARE THEY SO ANNOYING maybe if I pretend I can't hear it it will go away

[Holografix]

İlk olarak 💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Holografix tarafından gönderildi:

It's fine and dandy to have a moral stance about cruelty to animals, but tbh going full vegetarian is really healthy for you. You really don't need the meat for nutrition, so the only thing that has you tied up in moral knots is your 'taste' and 'desire' for meat flavor.

vegan is even healthier, eggs and dairy are not healthy at all.

that's fair. but being vegan takes a lot of effort and work. i'd need to research ingredients, read packaging labels, change all my recipes, etc... I don't eat that many eggs tbh, so it's not too unhealthy.

[Mavrah]

İlk olarak Jinn-Gon Qui tarafından gönderildi:

That raises another question. Isn't eating egg technically a murder, or in a sense meat?

No. The eggs you get from the store are unfertilized. You're not killing anything by eating eggs. It's just how the chickens menstruate. So get yourself some actual food before your organs start failing.

İlk olarak cyberluddite tarafından gönderildi:

Eat whatever you enjoy, but make sure you use everything you hunt even if the animal is for someone else. That's not just me saying this, this is basically every pre-Industrial culture that's ever existed saying this.

Kill for food, not for fun. Like any normal being on this planet.

İlk olarak 💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕 tarafından gönderildi:

vegan is even healthier, eggs and dairy are not healthy at all.

Go home, PETA, you're delusional.

İlk olarak 💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕 tarafından gönderildi:

Have you ever seen how a mother dairy cow acts when her baby is taken away and murdered just so humans can take the baby cows milk for profit?

No.
I worked on a dairy farm one summer, and saw those calves were very well cared for. Livestock are valuable and are treated as such by farmers and ranchers who aren't trying to push some liberal agenda.

[Plaid]

I'm not reading all this but I can say perhaps we are more concerned with the well-being of mammals over fishies or tweeters, being mammals ourselves.
But I'm probably totally wrong because someone smarter than me will come along and say so.

[Holografix]

İlk olarak Plaid tarafından gönderildi:

I'm not reading all this but I can say perhaps we are more concerned with the well-being of mammals over fishies or tweeters, being mammals ourselves.
But I'm probably totally wrong because someone smarter than me will come along and say so.

Viruses don't give af about mammals. Yet, we willingly participate in spreading their well-being over ours, all in the name of 'free-will.'

No animal is that stupid, except the animal called 'human.'

[Plaid]

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İlk olarak Plaid tarafından gönderildi:

I'm not reading all this but I can say perhaps we are more concerned with the well-being of mammals over fishies or tweeters, being mammals ourselves.
But I'm probably totally wrong because someone smarter than me will come along and say so.

Viruses don't give af about mammals. Yet, we willingly participate in spreading their well-being over ours, all in the name of 'free-will.'

No animal is that stupid, except the animal called 'human.'

[Ceci n'est pas un nom]

İlk olarak Mavrah tarafından gönderildi:

The eggs you get from the store are unfertilized. You're not killing anything by eating eggs.

Yes, the eggs are unfertilized. However, the second part of what you say is not correct.
The male chicks are killed, so if you buy eggs you are supporting this. And of course the egg-laying hens end up in the slaughterhouse, if they didn't already die before that, from the immense suffering they are put through.

I was vegetarian for a long time before becoming vegan. Thought I was doing the right thing.
How incredibly wrong I was!

What's an hour of one day to watch these videos?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4

Another format:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLommU3UtS0


To some remarks here:
It has been proven fish feel pain. Many die a slow death.

What about suffocation?
I never understood that. How we don't think twice when fish suffocate but if it happens to a loved one, we are devastated they had to die that way.
People are so disconnected.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Nj1-YZDlc

Besides:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfZ4vCx3pF4

[Plaid]

İlk olarak cyberluddite tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Ceci n'est pas un nom tarafından gönderildi:

Yes, the eggs are unfertilized. However, the second part of what you say is not correct.
The male chicks are killed, so if you buy eggs you are supporting this. And of course the egg-laying hens end up in the slaughterhouse, if they didn't already die before that, from the immense suffering they are put through.

Yet vegans won't support traditional farming methods, most likely because groups like PETA are financially supported by the corporate and organic farming industries that vegans constantly rant against. Vegans won't support legislation permitting urban farms and home gardens, because that creates competition against Big Ag who also financially supports groups like PETA.

What vegans will do, and quite happily do on a daily basis, is tell people to follow a strict dietary regimen without properly diagnosing them first. This is called "practicing medicine without a valid license", and it's a felony for a reason. Oddly enough, vegans are quick to claim innocence when their advice kills someone.

If you're contributing to the problem, you are the problem.

I was vegetarian for a long time before becoming vegan. Thought I was doing the right thing.
How incredibly wrong I was!

That's an understatement, you went all-in on the Dorito Effect and haven't questioned why you need vitamin supplements for a dietary regimen that supposedly doesn't need vitamin supplements.

But somehow, we're the ones disconnected from reality.

I don't know what you are talking about. I went vegan for a while and was growing my own vegetables in my back yard.
I'm very much against Big Agriculture and buy seeds locally or, at the very least, non GMO/Monsanto.

Internet people are wierd

[Plaid]

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İlk olarak Plaid tarafından gönderildi:

I don't know what you are talking about. I went vegan for a while and was growing my own vegetables in my back yard.
I'm very much against Big Agriculture and buy seeds locally or, at the very least, non GMO/Monsanto.

Monsanto doesn't exist, Bayer got rid of the name after buying the company in 2017.

Slap whatever name on it, the technology exists and is being used.
It is only stronger now and the merger should have been stopped.