Can a ballistic helmet or vest used here on earth stop a plasma or laser whatever is that light projectile used in star wars?(This disscusion is not linked with any games related to star wars from steam)

[Plant]

Dont forget vest can use kevlar, ceramic, steel, titanium or even plates combine all these materials.

I think titanium, ceramic and steel can stop light projectile.

Ps. I saw now 1 week ago there was created a special plate who absorb kinetic energy from projectile so the user wont be hurt or even killed.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Woof.

Dragon scale was supposed offer kinetic as well as penetration. But like most of the companies bs, it barely ranks as level 3 class rifle resistant body armor.

Not to say it was crap. Chris Kyle has a set he received as a gift from his inlaws. A I trust that man knows a few things about putting holes in stuff.

I know I personally wouldn't.

[2DEEP2MUCH]

Yes but no.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

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Adrian U eredeti hozzászólása:

What plot are you dreaming i just wanted to ask for tehnology not plot.

We don't have such technology, so we can't test it.

You can always try with the plasma cutter.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Holy balls.

This is why I get in trouble when I don't play nice with people.

Dragon Scale failed. The armor failed every ratings test except the salt water. The army outright banned it's use, and the Marines said that they would rather people use fleet standard body armor.

I said it was cool stuff. But I also wouldn't trust my ass in it.

second off plasma can exist in a variety of temperatures not just its 1700 degrees. You do realize there's things like plasma in your television or monitor. There's cold plasma, which is incredibly useful in leukemia research and treatment.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Blaster

And stirred the guns in Star wars called blasters fire plasma. They are not laser guns

[idkyetok]

Maybe that shiny plastic reflects, like phasma does uber shiny metal armor

[L1qu1dator]

davidb11 eredeti hozzászólása:

ALso, Star Wars bolters fire lasers, which don't fully act like lasers. Plasma would look completely different.

No Einstein, you would not see a bolt of light (that laser is) coming at you, let alone deflect or dodge it... No matter how strong in the Force one could be...

[abcd]

I remembered a bit more about dragonskin's problems. It's basically plasticized diamond that's sprayed onto metal discs, so when it sat around in the foam carrier cases the plastic in the foam entered a chemical exchange with the plastic in the coating and leeched it off. Salty air might have been involved.

The cost-prohibitive nature of the armor was the cost of resdesigning the standard military transport case to use a different lining, just for what amounted to spray-on body armor. Wasn't even worth continued testing.

Found this out reading an article that a sort of military-oriented magazine put out, which was trying to figure out what humanity's chances were in the case of an alien invasion or technologically advanced moonpeople or whatever. Basically the thread's exact question came up.

They interviewed a military body armor expert, and the basic answer was that we do have the technology, theoretically, to design body armor that will perform similarly against thermal threats the way it does against penetrative kinetic rounds right now. Mostly through different compositions of ceramics, metals, other minutia of materials science. We just have an industry heavily adopted to dealing with our most-prevalent threats, namely bullets and shrapnel.

The basic problem presented by directed energy weapons, plasma in particular, is that the variable nature of the technology can make switching between thermal, kinetic, penetrative, or a mix of all three threats as simple as turning a dial on the weapon. From the economic, industrial side of military technology that's extremely problematic. We can design body armor effective against any or all of those threats, but fielding a comprehensive mix all at once is pretty much weight-prohibitive and there's no way to compare switching armor plates to turning a dial.

They went on a bit to talk about industrial adaptation to military technological development, how laser-moon-people might not have good guidance systems, the prevalence of chemical fuels on earth relative to other observed stellar bodies, and how aliens could thus be vulnerable to a macross missile massacre their plasma tech would have likely lead to them skipping the development of counter-measures for.

They finished by talking about how the most-likely revolution in body armor would involve biotech of some kind. Armor's major design goal throughout history has been to stop you from dying, rather than to make you outright invulnerable. And in terms of achieving that goal, we've made the most progress and have the most viable prospects ahead of us in the area of biotech.

Also we do have particle streamers, directed energy beam weapons, effective lasers, and other 'science fiction-y' weapons. We just don't have any way to store or transport the energy necessary to power them in a way that can make viable, cost-effective weapons systems out of them. They are extremely effective as static defenses though. Israel had a large chemical laser that successfully neutralized 97% of incoming mixed artillery, and Tesla was trying to sell stationary particle cannon installations to congress towards the start of ww2.

Our current paradigm of bullets, bombs, and missiles is generally more cost-effective though, and the US has only ever faced like one land invasion so developing the infrastructure was deemed a frivolous expenditure. Israel's economically and politically dependent on US arms contracts, energy is very expensive for them, and the political establishment basically runs on perpetuating offensive conflicts with their neighbors and the laser was not a mobile installation so they shut the project down for being 'too expensive.' Shortly after 1979 when the last test-fire of satellite beam cannons was conducted it was determined that the global technological arms race was heading a different direction entirely.

Beyond that, Iraq almost saw the deployment of 'non-lethal' microwave weapons designed for crowd dispersal. Commanders refused to field them, mostly because they're very obviously terror-weapons with a high potential for a cruel death in that environment though they didn't publicly state as much.

[AdahnGorion]

no

[abcd]

I think the funniest and worst part of the military-industrial complex is just how much the military absolutely hates its guts going all the way back to Eisenhower when he coined the phrase. Especially since most of the hate towards it gets directed towards them.

[GetToTheTop]

Nah the plasma bolt of a blaster is about 360,000 degrees which is way higher than a kevlar vest's melting point of 500 degrees.

[abcd]

davidb11 eredeti hozzászólása:

iP eredeti hozzászólása:

I think the funniest and worst part of the military-industrial complex is just how much the military absolutely hates its guts going all the way back to Eisenhower when he coined the phrase. Especially since most of the hate towards it gets directed towards them.

Can you clarify that a bit. Who hates who's guts? The military hates it's own guts?

The military hates the military-industrial complex, as the end result is a bunch of unnecessary conflict.

If all they did was deliver food, build levies, and maybe shoot the occasional bad guy most professional soldiers would be perfectly well-off and happy. And most of the tactical ones would be happier if being shot was mostly harmless, I think.

[abcd]

True, it's not like it's a homogenous opinion. A lot of people do sign up just to shoot someone while getting paid, and don't really question the nature of why people are being shot.

I guess I see the military in a necessarily subservient position in the relationship though.

Even in the case of the Gulf of Ptomkin incident, for example, it was the nature of the political and industrial establishment which enabled the outbreak and continuation of the Vietnam war. Or Japan's descent into fascism, or Germany's for that matter, which was enabled by economic failures on the part of world powers.

Though that was maybe due to a certain kind of ambitious competitiveness endemic to the human spirit, so it's still a sticky wicket.

[GuRu Asaki]

I was also thinking...

We should start out testing, with the idea of using a Plasma Cutter,
as a form to start with, & work our way up from there to a Plasma Gun...

That is how I would make it work, someone else had the same idea...

Am I wrong? My understanding is that a Plasma Gun does not penetrate
the persons Skin, it just bruises, or burns a part of their skin with enough
force to push them backwards... It is possible the damaged skin would be
enough to injure the target in a way that they could possibly be stunned,
or further killed, I dunno...

You apply that to a form of Armor that we got in the real world?

Steel Armor, would more likely be burned through, because it's metal,
Kevlar is hard to say, it depends on how it's made... Titanium? Possibly
strong enough...

I would think the best way to handle a Plasma Gun, would be with the use
of an Armor consisting of ice cold water, no? Or some kind of synthetic Armor?

I am not really sure...

[abcd]

GuRu Asaki eredeti hozzászólása:

I was also thinking...

We should start out testing, with the idea of using a Plasma Cutter,
as a form to start with, & work our way up from there to a Plasma Gun...

That is how I would make it work, someone else had the same idea...

Am I wrong? My understanding is that a Plasma Gun does not penetrate
the persons Skin, it just bruises, or burns a part of their skin with enough
force to push them backwards... It is possible the damaged skin would be
enough to injure the target in a way that they could possibly be stunned,
or further killed, I dunno...

It depends on the ionic charge of the plasma in question, as well as what the plasma is made out of. Atmospheric plasma, like what you get in a plasma torch, is pretty harmless at lower energy levels.

A lightning bolt however, which is also an atmospheric plasma, is much more dangerous and can fry your cerebral cortex if it discharges enough into you. Normally though it just passes through, discharges into the ground, and hospitalizes you briefly with a really great chance of total recovery.

A lightning bolt of the proper charge, positive or negative, just incinerates you and turns you into a smoking pile of ash.

I can't remember if it's positive or negatively charged, but in-atmosphere one creates an opposite charge in front of it which reduces its impact energy over distance and tends to create concussive blasts, while the other adds the atmosphere's charge to the beam as it advances and is very destructive.

Neutral charges tend more towards a straight mix of penetration/kinetic energy, and are basically just a really hot bullet. Usually requires iron or another heavy magnetic metal as a medium, which makes it an obscenely expensive gun that might blow up and spray plasma all over you.

[GuRu Asaki]

Well if I were to guess, the Lightsaber also would be plasma based as well,
but unlike the plasma gun, the lightsaber however, would have a higher heat temp,
enough to cut through bodies like butter... o_@

I guess... So a lightsaber would have different properties then
the plasma gun... But since there is an energy source flowing from
the lightsaber, the jedi just uses their mind to control that energy source...

Possibly the Button on the Lightsaber, actually releases the Energy,
& the mind just pulls it out? I dunno...

So kinda like you press the button & hold it, while your mind
taps into it, & forms the lightsaber, I dunno...

Basically a Jedi is a Telepath, or something...