What defines a persons sexual identity?

[Pizmo]

Hopefully the mods dont lock this. I think this could be an interesting discussion if we can keep it adult and civil. But anyway here goes.

What defines a person's sexual identity? Is it only a matter of which sexual organs you prefer? Or does masculinity and femininity play a role?

Example: I wouldn't be attracted to a masculine female. Even though she would have the right sexual organs for me. I would find it a turn off if she had really short hair, was always wearing flannel shirts and blue jeans, drinks beer, watches football, and drives a lifted pick up.

My wife is very feminine and that is one of the things that attracts me to her. I like that she paints her nails, watches chick flicks, and drives a cute little car.

So now to the heart of the matter. If a person identifies as homosexual, what does that mean? Are they gay only because they are attracted to people with the same organs as themselves? Or are they attracted to masculinaty and femininity? What attracts a gay man to another man that looks and acts feminine? What attracts a woman to another woman that looks and acts masculine?

Keep it clean and civil people

[Tux]

only people with brain disorders not know what their sexual identity is.

everyone knows which direction they go

[Daxank]

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Hopefully the mods dont lock this. I think this could be an interesting discussion if we can keep it adult and civil. But anyway here goes.

What defines a person's sexually identity? Is only a matter of which sexual organs you prefer? Or does masculinity and femininity play a role?

Example: I wouldn't be attracted to a masculine female. Even though she would have the right sexual organs for me. I would find it a turn off if she had really short hair, was always wearing flannel shirts and blue jeans, drinks beer, watches football, and drives a lifted pick up.

My wife is very feminine and that is one of the things that attracts me to her. I like that she paints her nails, watches chick flicks, and drives a cute little car.

So now to the heart of the matter. If a person identifies as homosexual, what does that mean? Are they gay only because they are attracted to people with the same organs as themselves? Or are they attracted to masculinaty and femininity? What attracts a gay man to another man that looks and acts feminine? What attracts a woman to another woman that looks and acts masculine?

Keep it clean and civil people

Well you're talking about sexuality and sexual preferences.
A straight guy may like fat women and never be attracted to thin women.
This is a pretty simple topic. Your sexuality defines what gender you're attracted by. Sexual preferences define what specific traits you are attracted by.

[Hank Hell]

Women want to be with a masculine figure because it helps them realise their full feminine self confidently. I would guess it's the same way with gays and lesbians so they act like either the masculine or feminine half. A woman doesn't want a man who is a pushover because it makes her to compensate and be more masculine in certain situations. A man does not want a "manly" woman because he doesn't get to be protective over her and feel masculine.

[Pizmo]

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Hopefully the mods dont lock this. I think this could be an interesting discussion if we can keep it adult and civil. But anyway here goes.

What defines a person's sexually identity? Is only a matter of which sexual organs you prefer? Or does masculinity and femininity play a role?

Example: I wouldn't be attracted to a masculine female. Even though she would have the right sexual organs for me. I would find it a turn off if she had really short hair, was always wearing flannel shirts and blue jeans, drinks beer, watches football, and drives a lifted pick up.

My wife is very feminine and that is one of the things that attracts me to her. I like that she paints her nails, watches chick flicks, and drives a cute little car.

So now to the heart of the matter. If a person identifies as homosexual, what does that mean? Are they gay only because they are attracted to people with the same organs as themselves? Or are they attracted to masculinaty and femininity? What attracts a gay man to another man that looks and acts feminine? What attracts a woman to another woman that looks and acts masculine?

Keep it clean and civil people

Well you're talking about sexuality and sexual preferences.
A straight guy may like fat women and never be attracted to thin women.
This is a pretty simple topic. Your sexuality defines what gender you're attracted by. Sexual preferences define what specific traits you are attracted by. :VSnake:

So genitals alone define a person's sexual orientation?

A lesbian that is with another lesbian that looks and acts like a man is only a lesbian becuase her partner doesn't have a penis?

[Daxank]

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Well you're talking about sexuality and sexual preferences.
A straight guy may like fat women and never be attracted to thin women.
This is a pretty simple topic. Your sexuality defines what gender you're attracted by. Sexual preferences define what specific traits you are attracted by.

So genitals alone define a person's sexual orientation?

A lesbian that is with another lesbian that looks and acts like a man is only a lesbian becuase her partner doesn't have a penis?

No, she's lesbian because she's not attracted by the other gender.
The look doesn't make the gender, what's between your legs does.
The look affects only your preferences

[Pizmo]

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Women want to be with a masculine figure because it helps them realise their full feminine self confidently. I would guess it's the same way with gays and lesbians so they act like either the masculine or feminine half. A woman doesn't want a man who is a pushover because it makes her to compensate and be more masculine in certain situations. A man does not want a "manly" woman because he doesn't get to be protective over her and feel masculine.

So your saying that masculinaty is attracted to femininity and vice versa?

If this is true then why bother being gay? Why would a woman choose a masculine female over a masculine male?

Why does a straight guy only choose feminine females? Why not masculine females, or feminine males?

[Daxank]

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Women want to be with a masculine figure because it helps them realise their full feminine self confidently. I would guess it's the same way with gays and lesbians so they act like either the masculine or feminine half. A woman doesn't want a man who is a pushover because it makes her to compensate and be more masculine in certain situations. A man does not want a "manly" woman because he doesn't get to be protective over her and feel masculine.

So your saying that masculinaty is attracted to femininity and vice versa?

If this is true then why bother being gay? Why would a woman choose a masculine female over a masculine male?

Because it's not a choice.
Same goes for pedophiles. Why choose to love children when it's illegal, everyone will hate you and you'll live in misery for the rest of your life? Because it wasn't their choice I know some people don't agree with me on that part of the topic, so that's why it's in spoiler

[The nameless Gamer]

If you're talking about sexual attraction, pheromones are the ultimate deciding factor. We may find some things pretty or arousing, but actual attraction is pretty much about hormones.

In case of heterosexuals, the pheromones of the same sex avert them. Their organism reacts repulsively to them: slightly increased body temperature, light nausea, a distinct sense of discomfort.

[Names Matter Not]

No one chooses what he/she is attracted to, but it would be nice if we could...

[Tux]

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Women want to be with a masculine figure because it helps them realise their full feminine self confidently. I would guess it's the same way with gays and lesbians so they act like either the masculine or feminine half. A woman doesn't want a man who is a pushover because it makes her to compensate and be more masculine in certain situations. A man does not want a "manly" woman because he doesn't get to be protective over her and feel masculine.

So your saying that masculinaty is attracted to femininity and vice versa?

If this is true then why bother being gay? Why would a woman choose a masculine female over a masculine male?

Why does a straight guy only choose feminine females? Why not masculine females, or feminine males?

no that is idiotic.

sexual attraction is much more base then that

[Wetto]

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Genitals, chromosones

Agreed. Whatever your are born with determines your gender. If you want to be homosexual, I don't care as long as those people don't affect my day to day life. I.e. Protests for gay pride blocking streets or something.

[Corbin Bleu]

I sexually identify as a child

[rojimboo]

I think it's quite a fascinating question.

There is clearly some evolutionary advantage to having gay people, compared to not having them. Which is why there has been this persistent, low-level population of them, possibly since the beginning of our species. Different scientists are trying to explain it in different ways currently, all they can agree on, that it's an evolutionary advantage.

But you are asking somewhat more about sexuality and sexual preferences, rather than anything else.

I think it was already found that men with more feminine traits attract women more. Empathy, social intelligence, kindness, altruism. All probably good indicators for a good parent for your child.

For men, it was more physical traits that seemed more attractive in women. Large child-bearing hips, etc.

Also, a surprisingly many men seem to have homosexual sex in their lifetimes, despite living a straight marriage and family. This is also something to consider. They seem to be at least bisexual, or is it just that society has deemed them so unacceptable that they are in fact homosexual, and hide it? Nobody knows for sure.

Is homosexuality nurture or nature? It seems like a bit of both. There cannot be a strictly genetical component, otherwise gay people would have died out very quickly. Yet there is some evidence of genetic traits, so it's not nurture entirely. Despite that incredibly often the youngest of many brothers ends up being gay.

I think Pride week is coming up, so it's interesting to explore these things, though I'm sure this will eventually devolve into 'you liberal fascist gay-lover' crap in OT.

Whatever the truth, we are lucky to have them.

[Pizmo]

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So your saying that masculinaty is attracted to femininity and vice versa?

If this is true then why bother being gay? Why would a woman choose a masculine female over a masculine male?

Why does a straight guy only choose feminine females? Why not masculine females, or feminine males?

no that is idiotic.

sexual attraction is much more base then that

Is it?

My wife is a beautiful girly girl. I'm very attracted to her. But if she were to cut her hair and dress like a man. I would find myself unattached to her. Its still same girl with same face and same body. The only thing that would change would be the cosmetics. So am I attracted to her becuase she's female, or becuase she's feminine?

On the other hand if my wife were to cut off her breasts and grow a penis while still remaining feminine in nature. I would also find myself unattracted to her.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Yikes. What a landmine topic. I would like to reply, and stay as respectful as possible, so please bear with me.

A lot of people seem to confuse gender with identity. Even as humans we are actually not strictly male or female at birth. Even at the cellular level we can deviate wildly. Which is why the arguments over genetics are mostly crap straw man arguments. Yet you can't say genetic is the primary factor. A lot of it likely comes from personal growth and environment. Yet we can't definitively point the finger at that either. The truth is, people are attracted to what they are attracted to. That is all their is to it. It is natural, it's fine, and honestly, I wish a lot of my life was as easy to figure out.

Gender identity is a whole other ball of wax. Some people simply feel out of place in the body they are in. Ain't ♥♥♥♥ wrong with that. We all feel that way at some point or another, They just happen to feel it a little more acutely than some of us. Most of us never even get close to knowing what it feels like to go through life daily thinking even your own body is a traitor.

Whatever makes you happy is the right choice. Let all the judgemental ♥♥♥♥♥ of the world sit and spin. You be the happiest you that you can. I got a right hook for the rest.

Sorry if I spoke out of turn.