Are miners killing PC gaming?

[nya[dc]]

I'm going to be in the market for a new GPU soon and I cannot believe what is happening, either GPU's are completely sold out or they cost in excess of 200% of their MSRP from the manufactuer.

With all this crypto currency nonsense going on I am seriously considering not upgrading my system, I'm in the position of not being able to buy what I want because people are abusing technology for non-related profiteering.

How do you guys feel about all of this?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

｢C❤A｣ Pocahawtness님이 먼저 게시:

Makes me really angry. But the fault here is the GPU manufacturers. They have known about this for some time, and know it is damaging their primary market, but they have failed to do anything about it. They need to manufacture two types of GPU. One that can only be used for gaming and one that can only be used for mining. I do wonder if this is the reason the "next generation" of cards is a bit late ~ that they are working on some sort of solution. I don't know. But there is no sign of mining becoming less popular. I have been waiting for some time to get a new graphics card, but they are just impossibly expensive right now. Too expensive. I will not upgrade until the prices come down.

Look up Nvidia P106, P104, and P102-100.

The issue is they can't keep up with the supply, and demand, without worrying about the possible of a market crash, since crypto currency can be very volatile, as it's never going to be stable as any currency in the world. EVGA, and etc, worry if they over order from Nvidia, they will be stuck holding the bag full of GPUs to which they have to sell at a lost, some retailer don't want to be in the same boat, if they over order as well. Because if the market ever crashes, GPUs will be flooding the used market, and manufacturers/retailers will have to compete with the 2nd hand market. Then there the fact of memory shortage, and prices for them will continue to keep going up as it seems, which will affect GPUs, RAM's, SSD, and etc for pricing as well.

Plus the mining cards might be hard to resell, since they don't have any display ports, and only useful to miners, or other kind of mathematical application. But if market ever crashes, they will most likely take a major hit for resell value.

[baconborn]

This crypto ponzi scheme is going to implode soon. There'll be cheap GPU's for all when the morons who bought into this scam have to sell everything.

[knighttime]

i have a question if people just boycotted companies that make gpu cards and simply did not buy gpu cards until there prices became reasonable again with there prices would that bring the gpu card prices back to normal again or make things worse? this might be the solution

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

knighttime님이 먼저 게시:

i have a question if people just boycotted companies that make gpu cards and simply did not buy gpu cards until there prices became reasonable again with there prices would that bring the gpu card prices back to normal or make things worse? this might be the solution

It will be worse... Because manufacturers are not the ones jacking the prices up... It's some of retailers, and most of resellers that are jacking the prices.

[anthonyjquigley]

Hi guys, sorry i didn't reply, i actually didn't know i had gotten answers. There's some interesting comments, can i ask you guys your opinion on when (if ever) Video cards will come back down to being even CLOSE to their msrp? I mean, It's disgusting whats happening.

For instance, the Radeon RX 580, msrp is only 250usd. And it's already been out only a couple of weeks less than a YEAR!. And how much is the average one now? Even though the tech is a year old? On average it's about 450usd. 200 dollars more than it was when it was brand new technology... Thats actually Vomit inducing, i just pity anybody who was stuck without a new PC build but had no graphics card, and had to pay like 500 bucks or more for a 250 dollar card, more than a year after it was released...

Because the main problem with like, an RX 580, for 450 -500 dollar a year after it was released is, there's a new game called "Kingdom Come: Deliverance". And i've been testing it out with different settings, and i can only play it on 1080p with half medium, half high settings... for 500 dollars, i should be able to not only put everything on max, but i should be able to in futre, download user or dev created higher resolution texture packs and "Better graphics and models" mods... But thats out the window now... 500 dollars for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Brick...

Anyone else have any opinions on this stuff? Do you think we should go and Fly our Skateboards and BMX's into the nVidia and AMD buildings?

[anthonyjquigley]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

knighttime님이 먼저 게시:

i have a question if people just boycotted companies that make gpu cards and simply did not buy gpu cards until there prices became reasonable again with there prices would that bring the gpu card prices back to normal or make things worse? this might be the solution

It will be worse... Because manufacturers are not the ones jacking the prices up... It's some of retailers, and most of resellers that are jacking the prices.

Yeah that's true brother, The manufacturer's are still selling cards to the outlets and distributers for whatever price they originally agreed upon, and not only that, I've heard they'd been paying ALOT less for the cards in the last few months, simply because they've had ALOT more time on this current group of cards to speed up and optimize the manufacturings processes. So they're paying presumable 130 - 150 per card for the RX 580, which has an MSRP of 250, so they're already making 100 on each one, but because the demand is so high (or was), they were selling them for DOUBLE, meaning they were making someties 350 dollars profit or more on a 130 dollar cost price card... We should actually boycott the distributers and resellers.
What they're doing is disgusting, and it's yet ANOTHER reason that Capitalism is a disgusting mess. It should just be called "Rape and Profiteering at the expense of the end user".

[Fat Cat Ritz]

Luckily I got my 1080ti when it was cheaper. Now its almost $300 more. But I can't be mad... I also mine a bit but I'm not making much anymore from it. I bet the prices will drop soon.

[anthonyjquigley]

Fat Cat Ritz님이 먼저 게시:

Luckily I got my 1080ti when it was cheaper. Now its almost $300 more. But I can't be mad... I also mine a bit but I'm not making much anymore from it. I bet the prices will drop soon.

Do you only have 1 of them? like one card total? how much did you pay for the card?

[Fat Cat Ritz]

anthonyjquigley님이 먼저 게시:

Fat Cat Ritz님이 먼저 게시:

Luckily I got my 1080ti when it was cheaper. Now its almost $300 more. But I can't be mad... I also mine a bit but I'm not making much anymore from it. I bet the prices will drop soon.

Do you only have 1 of them? like one card total? how much did you pay for the card?

Yeah I was only able to pick one up for about $850. A bit higher price in Korea at that time. I looked on Amazon a month ago and the 1080ti was at $1,200.

[anthonyjquigley]

Fat Cat Ritz님이 먼저 게시:

anthonyjquigley님이 먼저 게시:

Do you only have 1 of them? like one card total? how much did you pay for the card?

Yeah I was only able to pick one up for about $850. A bit higher price in Korea at that time. I looked on Amazon a month ago and the 1080ti was at $1,200.

Ah man, it's absolutely fine if you're mining with your own card! that's something anyone might do you know? it's just i don't agree with the guy's buying 15 of them at 1000 dollars each, when they won't even use it for gaming etc. It's nVidia and AD's fault. To be honest, the way they've treated their loyal customers over the last year, when they release their new line of cards, they should drop 50-100 dollars of the msrp of this current line of cards for the first week or so. To make it up to us

[anthonyjquigley]

Mattmoo님이 먼저 게시:

It's a damn shame, because if not for that I would be a lot more of a pc guy than I am.]

Wish there was a way to stop the market suffering all because of bitcoin ming.

Don't worry man, it's just my luck, i used to be a BIG PC builder back in the early 2000's,, when the Athlon Thunderbird CPU's were about i think it was a an AMD 1300+ CPU with the "Axia" chip stepping, meaning i you could join the 2 bridges by just drawing a line between them with a pencil so the lead made the contact, and you could overclock the CPU from 1.3GHz to 1.55GHz on air! That was sick back then. Some people managed to get the chip up to 1.8Ghz, i also had an Abit KT7A (i think) Motherboard, an a Geforce 2 GTS lol.

And wanna know how ♥♥♥♥ my luck is? In the maybe 12 - 15 years since then that i stopped doing it, havn't bough a machine up until now. the fockin EXACT time out of ALL of those years, i decided to get back into it, THIS nonsense decides to happen with the Graphics card market.... Tell me that ain't unlucky!!! lol

[Fostin4]

Yes they are killing PC gaming. Now all you are left with buying is a 2 year old low end video card like a gtx 1050ti whose price is inflated like hell.

[Partial Noobity]

I was able to get a use GTX 1060 ftw+ for $300 not to bad... just checked... going for $420 on Newegg right now :(

The pc gaming industry is deffenetly herting from this...

On the up side if you were lucky enuff to get your hands on a good pc card the Oculus rift and Vive are way cheaper now ;)

[Partial Noobity]

anthonyjquigley님이 먼저 게시:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

It will be worse... Because manufacturers are not the ones jacking the prices up... It's some of retailers, and most of resellers that are jacking the prices.

Yeah that's true brother, The manufacturer's are still selling cards to the outlets and distributers for whatever price they originally agreed upon, and not only that, I've heard they'd been paying ALOT less for the cards in the last few months, simply because they've had ALOT more time on this current group of cards to speed up and optimize the manufacturings processes. So they're paying presumable 130 - 150 per card for the RX 580, which has an MSRP of 250, so they're already making 100 on each one, but because the demand is so high (or was), they were selling them for DOUBLE, meaning they were making someties 350 dollars profit or more on a 130 dollar cost price card... We should actually boycott the distributers and resellers.
What they're doing is disgusting, and it's yet ANOTHER reason that Capitalism is a disgusting mess. It should just be called "Rape and Profiteering at the expense of the end user".

i am so glad you said that!!!! that makes so much sence but you can't realy only blame the distributors ether. they want to make a proffet too. the true problem dose go back to the bit coine minners. i cant wait for that to crash and burn...

[Jonathan Sensei]

They're just making it a more expensive hobby for people who don't mine. I don't really care about it - let them mine - I can afford a new video-card or other pc parts if needed.