Is it right or wrong to celebrate the 4th of July?

[porjspn]

Sorry if there is already a topic like this, my computer crashed well at the time of publishing.

It's just out of curiosity!
Hello, first I would like to clarify that English is not my native language, so I am directly using Google translator and after Grammarly to fix my mistakes.

Let's say that in the following hypothetical scenario it happens:
To non-Americans (people from the United States of America), what would you think if the president of your country celebrated the 4th of July, which is independence day in the united states?

Celebrate in his decorated house, with typical decorations of American Independence Day.

A party, however small, with friends in a pandemic season, with miniatures of the American flag drawn on the table, probably in some corner where no photos were taken, there was a flag hanging on the wall.

And, who knows? at some point until I sang a part of the American anthem.

And a question to Americans, what would you think or even feel if President Donald Trump did that with, say, the day of independence from Italy or France? or any other country that seems to suit that example for you.
(Remembering that for the example it does not have to be a country that has good or excellent relationships, just any country that is not very involved.)

[Radene]

引用自 Cuttlefish：

What? If the Golden Showers guy celebrated some foreign independence day? Yeah he would, it'd be whatever Russia celebrates.

Funnily enough, Russia celebrates its independence from the Soviet Union.

[King Narwhal]

引用自 The Father ☯：

引用自 Starbug：

China. They forced the USA to retreat from both Korea and Vietnam. Like an old Kung Fu master chasing off some young whippersnapper.. You might have had the guns but they most certainly had the numbers.

Since then the USA and its allies have resoundedly focused on fighting much smaller fishes. The military industrial complex does need these low intensity conflicts to keep armament towns in the rustbelt pumping out wmd's.

That's because we were forced to fight a limited warfare campaign by politicians who didn't care about the cost of American lives. If we were allowed to fight the war how it should of been fought we'd control Vietnam

IIRC, part of the problem with Vietnam, besides the fact we were sticking our noses where they didn't belong and shouldn't have been involved in the first place., was that it wasn't technically a war and as such we couldn't invade the enemy, only try to help defend our allies.

Defending your allies in foreign/unknown territory against guerrilla warfare doesn't really work, and we should've realized this considering that was kind of the biggest page in our playbook for the war that gave us the 4th as a holiday in the first place.

The nutjobs in charge wanted a war against the dirty, nasty communist swine or whatever, but didn't want to face an all-out war after everything else that had happened recently, and so they tried to save face by making it technically not a war and failed spectacularly.

[Starbug]

引用自 The Father ☯：

引用自 Starbug：

China. They forced the USA to retreat from both Korea and Vietnam. Like an old Kung Fu master chasing off some young whippersnapper.. You might have had the guns but they most certainly had the numbers.

Since then the USA and its allies have resoundedly focused on fighting much smaller fishes. The military industrial complex does need these low intensity conflicts to keep armament towns in the rustbelt pumping out wmd's.

That's because we were forced to fight a limited warfare campaign by politicians who didn't care about the cost of American lives. If we were allowed to fight the war how it should of been fought we'd control Vietnam

Controlling foreign countries? Why would you want to do that? I mean you wouldn't like it if Russia controlled your country or your president like a haunted marionette.

Nixon wanted to use nukes in nam as far as I know. Maybe that's what you meant by fighting a war how is it should have been fought.

[Mecha Carny]

We're not American and this country isn't the United States of America. I'd be rather disgruntled.

[Starbug]

引用自 Cuttlefish：

it's not clinging onto some snotty European cliche.

What have you got against Europeans? We gave you television, radio, penicillin, the telephone, homosexuality, JS Bach and the Beatles. Aside from Hitler, it's been mostly all positive stuff.

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

引用自 Starbug：

引用自 The Father ☯：

That's because we were forced to fight a limited warfare campaign by politicians who didn't care about the cost of American lives. If we were allowed to fight the war how it should of been fought we'd control Vietnam

Controlling foreign countries? Why would you want to do that? I mean you wouldn't like it if Russia controlled your country or your president like a haunted marionette.

Nixon wanted to use nukes in nam as far as I know. Maybe that's what you meant by fighting a war how is it should have been fought.

I think America should fight smarter not harder. You're right no reason to control Vietnam for any long period goals, but I think if we go to war against a country instead of spending money to build their nation afterwards or accept ANY refugees from their country we should control the nation long enough to extract the price and a bit more for the war. Vietnam has some nice resources.

[Radene]

引用自 The Father ☯：

引用自 Starbug：

Controlling foreign countries? Why would you want to do that? I mean you wouldn't like it if Russia controlled your country or your president like a haunted marionette.

Nixon wanted to use nukes in nam as far as I know. Maybe that's what you meant by fighting a war how is it should have been fought.

I think America should fight smarter not harder. You're right no reason to control Vietnam for any long period goals, but I think if we go to war against a country instead of spending money to build their nation afterwards or accept ANY refugees from their country we should control the nation long enough to extract the price and a bit more for the war. Vietnam has some nice resources.

Anything to grow even fatter and weaker, eh?

[Radene]

引用自 Cuttlefish：

I bet our Golden Showers guy celebrates Russia Day, June 12. Him and rootin-tootin Putin, Sergey Lavrov and Sergey Kislyak all had a bubble bath together.

Can't fault people for enjoying a bubble bath. Those things are relaxing.

[Masque]

I love weekends on OT.

:)

[Saarath]

It is what it is.

[Masque]

And it ain't what it ain't.

[Saarath]

引用自 N-95 Masque of Clavicus Vile：

And it ain't what it ain't.

For if it was not what it was it would not be what it is.

[Hyer Womba]

i like america so i celebrate 4th of july

[Saarath]

I wish I was an American, I want bask in all that freedom.

[Masque]

引用自 K3-27：

I wish I was an American, I want bask in all that freedom.

Oh, we're basking, alright. Well and good. Good and hard. I don't know how much more of this basking I can take, really.

Glad I don't live in a city. All this freedom is getting people beat to death.