According to LoTR and Tolkien Goblins and Orcs are the same

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Been reading the books and came upon the part where the company was chasing after the Sarumans orcs who stole the hobbits. The orcs were destroyed and burned by the men of Rohan and when Aragorn and Co. came upon the burial site, it says and I quote "Upon a stake in the middle was set a great goblin head; upon its shattered helm a white badge could still be seen"

He is referring to the mark of Saruman the Uruk Hai (High Orcs) wore as their insignia.

So Tolkien uses goblin as a way to describe orcs meaning ugly or as a synonym to the word orc.

I find this pretty cool because later on people started splitting up Orcs and Goblins into 2 different types of creatures. Goblins are usually small but Orcs are larger.

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stuff with histories that are almost Biblical in detail, with languages and genealogies to dig into.

I haven't read anything by Tolkien, mainly because I felt the LOTR movies were boring as dirt, but George RR Martin was heavily influenced by Tolkien and his song of ice and fire books are almost Biblical in detail. Have you read them?

Apparently he's also finally writing again, since covid-19 has everything on lockdown, so we might actually see the real ending to his story! (Since game of thrones season 8 was a slap in the face and certainly not what GRRM has in mind considering the show changed a lot and even removed substantial characters, not to mention how rushed the final season felt)

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I'd read Martin, but his books contain too much -- censored word -- like every other chapter someone is forcibly ****ed, like it's a seriously creepy fetish of his. I think that's what the two R's in his name stand for. George ***e ***e Martin. Strange that he gets a pass for this fetish by the usual suspects that would crucify anyone else with such an obvious fixation.

I stopped reading Stephen King for the same reason. Like, dude, write a story without giving us graphic underage or nonconsensual relations once, for a change.

Tolkein didn't need that. I don't either. Now, or as a kid.

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stuff with histories that are almost Biblical in detail, with languages and genealogies to dig into.

I haven't read anything by Tolkien, mainly because I felt the LOTR movies were boring as dirt, but George RR Martin was heavily influenced by Tolkien and his song of ice and fire books are almost Biblical in detail. Have you read them?

Apparently he's also finally writing again, since covid-19 has everything on lockdown, so we might actually see the real ending to his story! (Since game of thrones season 8 was a slap in the face and certainly not what GRRM has in mind considering the show changed a lot and even removed substantial characters, not to mention how rushed the final season felt)

The Song of Ice and Fire was heavily influenced on the Henriad.

As for Tolkien, he was a professor of linguistics and philology and he invented the languages first and came up with stories and histories of the peoples who spoke them after, instead of the other way around. That's a proper way to do a conlang and mythos.

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I'd read Martin, but his books contain too much -- censored word -- like every other chapter someone is forcibly ****ed, like it's a seriously creepy fetish of his. I think that's what the two R's in his name stand for. George ***e ***e Martin. Strange that he gets a pass for this fetish by the usual suspects that would crucify anyone else with such an obvious fixation.

I stopped reading Stephen King for the same reason. Like, dude, write a story without giving us graphic underage or nonconsensual relations once, for a change.

Tolkein didn't need that. I don't either. Now, or as a kid.

It isn't a "fetish" thing, the universe his books take place in is a hybrid of realistic middle ages and fantasy, and people in the middle ages were bad touching pretty often.

As for Stephen King, he might just be weird.
...Or it could be the insane amount of cocaine he was doing.

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I'd read Martin, but his books contain too much -- censored word -- like every other chapter someone is forcibly ****ed, like it's a seriously creepy fetish of his. I think that's what the two R's in his name stand for. George ***e ***e Martin. Strange that he gets a pass for this fetish by the usual suspects that would crucify anyone else with such an obvious fixation.

I stopped reading Stephen King for the same reason. Like, dude, write a story without giving us graphic underage or nonconsensual relations once, for a change.

Tolkein didn't need that. I don't either. Now, or as a kid.

It's definitely not every other chapter, far from it, but to each their own... And actually, the show Game of Thrones included R--- scenes that weren't even in the books. I'd say the showrunners are worse, and the ones with the fixation. GRRM is just exploring different psyches, and different aspects of the darker part of reality in his fiction, seems to me. His work has dark characters that aren't just black-and-white evil bad guys, which seems the case with Tolkien.

I haven't read Tolkien, that's just the impression the movies gave me.

It may be uncomfortable to read, and I certainly don't "need" it, but the censored r-word is a part of the world, as disgusting as it is. It definitely is discomforting to read, but it does add a certain amount of realism to the world he's creating. And GRRM's work isn't high fantasy, it's low/dark fantasy with long-forgotten elements of high fantasy (the way he handles magic and artifacts, for example)

He also explores torture and other dark themes, I wouldn't call it a fixation so much as a part of the story to get to where he's going with it. Which is currently unclear considering his books aren't finished, but I have faith that the overall story will be one of the greatest of all time.

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Lord of the Rings is far and away the most influential of franchises on the modern world. When you think of "dwarf," you think of a short, stout, and heavy fellow that's as broad as a brick wall and lives underground, and generally they can work absolute wonders with metal and stone.

When you think of an elf, generally you'll think of a lithe, fair, and wiry fellow that's incredibly agile, in tune with nature, and they're almost always enchantingly beautiful in some way or another. Elves are also almost always incredibly long-lived, and are masters of any martial weaponry.

I would say that Orcs have changed the most, mainly due to things like Bethesda's lore in which Orcs are not necessarily bad things by nature. However, they're still ugly as sin, usually with great strength, and their arms and armor always look wicked or barbaric in a sense.

I really want to own the book trilogy of Lord of the Rings, because I swear I would read about King Theoden any day of the week. His story is, in my opinion, one of the most powerful in the entire book series. The paragraph Tolkien wrote about King Theoden charging into battle at Pelennor Fields? Utterly iconic. It's my favorite part of the whole series.

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I really want to own the book trilogy of Lord of the Rings,

Not a trilogy. It's one book, divided up into three volumes, each of which is divided into two sections, listed as Books 1-6. Plus, the Apendicies, of course.

Anyway, the leatherbound collector's edition or the illustrated editions are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/LORD-RINGS-Fellowship-Towers-Collectors/dp/B00M0NFYTC
Sadly, the Red Leather collector's edition seems to be out of print. I guess that means I'll never let my niece borrow it. Even though I used to read to her from The Silmarillion.

https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Tolkien-Illustrated-Hardcover/dp/B011T78PYU

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Not a trilogy. It's one book, divided up into three volumes, each of which is divided into two sections, listed as Books 1-6. Plus, the Apendicies, of course.

Anyway, the leatherbound collector's edition or the illustrated editions are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/LORD-RINGS-Fellowship-Towers-Collectors/dp/B00M0NFYTC
Sadly, the Red Leather collector's edition seems to be out of print. I guess that means I'll never let my niece borrow it. Even though I used to read to her from The Silmarillion.

https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Tolkien-Illustrated-Hardcover/dp/B011T78PYU

I do apologize but how can you say LoTR is a single book when author himself divided them all into 6 books. LoTR is 6 books ^

Technicalities. It's three books.

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Actually, In-Universe the Red Book of Westmarch also includes Bilbo's memoir There and Back Again and Translations From the Elvish, which he wrote while retired in Imladris, as well as a collection of Hobbit Poetry, including the Adventures of Tom Bombadil, and book of Hobbit geneology and a tome on Herblore contributed by Merry Brandybuck.

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Goblins are cool boys ever play WOW?

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I've got the $35 hardcover. LoTR is one book, in my house.

It was published as three volumes, two books each. And I bet there aren't ten people in the world who can name all six books. Heck, I can't name even one of the six, and I've read it since I was a young lad.

You could really call it seven books, if you wanted to include the appendix, which is, IMO, as important to the trilogy as the main body of text itself.

I'm a huge fan, but I haven't even read The Silmarillion, let alone the huge set of books that Christopher compiled. Someday.

highfivingbears is right, too. Nobody ever wrote a more influential body of work. Nor as fully developed, in it's own internal history. It should be known as literary Wonder of the World, up there with the Complete Works of Shakespeare.

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I've got the $35 hardcover. LoTR is one book, in my house.

It was published as three volumes, two books each. And I bet there aren't ten people in the world who can name all six books. Heck, I can't name even one of the six, and I've read it since I was a young lad.

You could really call it seven books, if you wanted to include the appendix, which is, IMO, as important to the trilogy as the main body of text itself.

I'm a huge fan, but I haven't even read The Silmarillion, let alone the huge set of books that Christopher compiled. Someday.

highfivingbears is right, too. Nobody ever wrote a more influential body of work. Nor as fully developed, in it's own internal history. It should be known as literary Wonder of the World, up there with the Complete Works of Shakespeare.

You def should read The Silmarillion and standalone Narn I Chin Hurin and Lay of Leithian.

For the History of Middle Earth series, only Unfinished Tales and Lost Road are required.

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I've got the $35 hardcover. LoTR is one book, in my house.

It was published as three volumes, two books each. And I bet there aren't ten people in the world who can name all six books. Heck, I can't name even one of the six, and I've read it since I was a young lad.

You could really call it seven books, if you wanted to include the appendix, which is, IMO, as important to the trilogy as the main body of text itself.

I'm a huge fan, but I haven't even read The Silmarillion, let alone the huge set of books that Christopher compiled. Someday.

highfivingbears is right, too. Nobody ever wrote a more influential body of work. Nor as fully developed, in it's own internal history. It should be known as literary Wonder of the World, up there with the Complete Works of Shakespeare.

You def should read The Silmarillion and standalone Narn I Chin Hurin and Lay of Leithian.

For the History of Middle Earth series, only Unfinished Tales and Lost Road are required.

The problem for me with The Silmarillion and other books in that similar vein is that they don't read like the LOTR trilogy. They read like a history book, and trust me, the two are very different.

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Someday I will, Hugsie. In my retirement, perhaps.

I would love to read all the Christopher Tolkein books he compiled, too.

It's just so daunting.

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And I'd amend "nobody" to "only Shakespeare" ever wrote a more influential body of work.