Why do people hate on Ubisoft and Epic?

[Azuwi]

You rant and blame you have to make a account on their software to be able to play games, but you don't hate that you have to make a account on Steam to play a Steam game.

If a wheel is being released do you hate it isn't only useable on Toyota or that can you use it on Nissan and Subaru aswell?

Same if a game is released, should it only be playable on Steam or can it be played on Ubisoft and Epic aswell?

So what's the big fuzz about having an other account or you have to make another account or use another platform to play that game?! I hate reading negative reviews because you have to use "blabla client" to play the game. Cause you don't rant you have to use Steam to play a game.

It literally takes 5 minutes to create an account and download a client. It's a CLIENT, not a game.

Also nothing wrong with Ubisoft, Epic, or EA for that matter. They just trying to make money (like we all do) and doing their thing.

Ubisoft have made some nice and fun games, with good graphics, strategy etc. (Anno series)
EA have made Sims, Battlefield and more (amazing war game)
Epic have Fortnite (been succesful now it sucks) and a bunch of other "Epic-only" games plus they have a free game every week, it's great for those people who are poor and can't afford to buy games. (last week it was GTA V Deluxe Edition now it's Sid Meier's Civilization VI)
Blizzard have it's own client too, don't see so much about Blizzard though.

If your prefered game is on Epic and not on Steam, don't hate Epic, then hate the game publisher/maker for choosing to sell it's game on Epic. (and not Steam)

I personally never had any issues with any of the above, so i don't understand the negative fuss about it.

If you are gonna say the support sucks, yes, but it sucks on all big companies like this. Steam support sucks. EA support sucks. Ubisoft support sucks. Epic support sucks. Blizzard support sucks. There is no difference. The only good support is the "black sheep" small companies.

[JG | Luxe]

I don't mind Ubisoft. I don't specifically use their launcher, I buy the games on Steam and when I launch Ubisoft games, Uplay launches minimized without me having to do anything.

I dislike the fact that they didn't give us Division 2 or Breakpoint.

Epic on the other hand, yuck.... Although I do have an account and I do have the launcher installed, primarily because I got a free copy of Control with the purchase of my RTX 2080 and had to redeem it there so now I just get the free weekly games.

[Manny]

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

Bluez n 2z eredeti hozzászólása:

While I dislike exclusive content Epic have done quite a few things that I like and support;

- Taking less of a cut on games sold compared to Valve's 30%
- Fee games
- Unreal Engine is now royalty-free until a game makes $1 million
- Epic now has it's own publishing label and will help developers publish and market their games

Let me explain why you like them for terrible reasons

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

That cut is something that BIG STORES can afford to lower, say goodbye to more possible competition!

I disagree. Even though Epic take a much lower cut, Steam is still growing and getting bigger and GOG.com seems to be doing well. For those developers that want more money per game sold than the Epic Game Store is a option, options are good. I’m not saying Epic are doing all of this from the kindness of their heart, as the main focus is users and profit, but to gain users and profit they need to compete with Steam and taking developers away by offering a bigger cut to developers and paying them for exclusive rights is one way to do that. I disagree with exclusive content.

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

Those free games aren't free, they sell your informations. When will people learn that free = you're the product[quote/]

They cost me nothing, so they are free to me.

[\quote]Unreal engine being royalty free until the game makes a million means every other indie engine will inevitably die sooner or later, yay less choices, less competition! Hurray![quote/]

This is nothing new, if someone offers a better service or a better initiative to use a product and other companies/products can’t compete than they may go out of business. There are still plenty of game engines, most of them are owned by developers and only used in their games.

Epic's publishing label is there so they have a good reason to have exclusivity to their platform, they will of course keep doing the timed exclusivities but they will inevitably force people to use their launcher because they have actual permanent exclusives[quote/]

Epic’s publishing label whether they created it for exclusivity or not doesn’t matter to me. What matters is developers have the option of proposing their game idea to Epic along with many other publishers and those developers can pick who they think will best suit their game. For me personally, more options have always been a good thing.

[\quote]Everything you like about Epic is not in the people's favor. It's literally in Epic's favor.[quote/]

I don’t know about people, but it benefits me for reasons I’ve given above like games that cost me nothing, more choice, more profit for developers, another option for developers if they want to join a publishing label. Even making games Epic Store exclusives for a year (or whatever) has benefits for developers as it guarantees some type of extra income for the developers - if Epic pay to have said game on their store. With that said though, I do disagree with exclusive content though.

Edit: not sure how I messed up the quotes this bad, but I’m on my phone and cba to change it. Sorry if it’s difficult to read.

[JG | Luxe]

Gabriel eredeti hozzászólása:

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

Wrong

I see, but again, That decision was made by the DARQ developer.

Yup, It was indeed a choice by the developer. I remember following the progress on Reddit while he was still working on it. I've been meaning to purchase it to support him for his decision.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/18/darq-developer-reveals-why-he-turned-down-an-epic-exclusivity-deal

[Daxank]

Gabriel eredeti hozzászólása:

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

Wrong

I see, but again, That decision was made by the DARQ developer.

No, their decision was "We want to sell on Epic and Steam"
Epic said "Exclusivity or no deal" basically.
The exclusivity deal isn't a choice, it's an obligation if you want to release on the Epic Game store if you're an indie dev

[Ganger]

Xautos eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't care for the Chinese version of Steam and as far as i know Valve isn't owned by any Chinese companies.

But your mad at epic for being owned by a chinese company but ignore the fact that valve is doing unethical business practices with china. So in your view valve is alright bowing it's head towards china but epic isn't. I don't follow the logic in this.

[Jonathan Sensei]

I have no idea. People used to have good arguments against them, but now it's all a noisy blur that's screaming collective hate-wagon to me. As for myself? I don't like the new ToS with Ubisoft so I just deleted my account with them. As for Epic games? They still don't have anything I want so I ignore them. I'm saving my hate for more important things.

[Daxank]

Jonathan eredeti hozzászólása:

I have no idea. People used to have good arguments against them, but now it's all a noisy blur that's screaming collective hate-wagon to me. As for myself? I don't like the new ToS with Ubisoft so I just deleted my account with them. As for Epic games? They still don't have anything I want so I ignore them. I'm saving my hate for more important things.

You're saying this in a thread full of arguments against them

[Ganger]

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

No, their decision was "We want to sell on Epic and Steam"
Epic said "Exclusivity or no deal" basically.
The exclusivity deal isn't a choice, it's an obligation if you want to release on the Epic Game store if you're an indie dev

It's down to the developer and publisher who decides were to sell their games. They could to sell only on steam (if epic said this). It's not like they got a gun to their heads.

[Jonathan Sensei]

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

Jonathan eredeti hozzászólása:

I have no idea. People used to have good arguments against them, but now it's all a noisy blur that's screaming collective hate-wagon to me. As for myself? I don't like the new ToS with Ubisoft so I just deleted my account with them. As for Epic games? They still don't have anything I want so I ignore them. I'm saving my hate for more important things.

You're saying this in a thread full of arguments against them

I can't help it the majority of them are nonsensical, biased hate. If you don't like a service don't use it.

[Daxank]

Ganger eredeti hozzászólása:

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

No, their decision was "We want to sell on Epic and Steam"
Epic said "Exclusivity or no deal" basically.
The exclusivity deal isn't a choice, it's an obligation if you want to release on the Epic Game store if you're an indie dev

It's down to the developer and publisher who decides were to sell their games. They could to sell only on steam (if epic said this). It's not like they got a gun to their heads.

How is it a choice when you literally are being told "ONLY ME or ♥♥♥♥ off" ?
It'd be a choice if you could release on Epic, Steam or both.
If you want to release on Epic they literally strip away your choice.

[Ganger]

Daxank eredeti hozzászólása:

How is it a choice when you literally are being told "ONLY ME or ♥♥♥♥ off" ?
It'd be a choice if you could release on Epic, Steam or both.
If you want to release on Epic they literally strip away your choice.

The choice is down to the dev/pub in all cases.... useless passing blame onto epic when clearly the dev/pub makes the choice.

The devs can choose steam and forget about epic altogehter. If the fanbase is strong on steam then they don't need epic games store to sell their games.

But we all know, money talks in this matter and they choose epic's money over steam.

[WhiteKitt]

its annoying. Just like with movie streaming. I dont wanne sub netflix and amazon prime

and i dont wanne use 4 launchers. Im using Steam, Origin and Uplay and some games ( bethesda ) is website DL

I would have only used epic for free games but i missed the last 2 games due to lazyness

The exclusive title thingy is just a greedy move and some decide not to support that

why not let ppl decide what to use? I dont see the harm. Also its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ move to push stuff ( epic launcher ) like that.

People have a right to be pissed about that.

[linis]

To the OP, for me Steam goes all the way back to Half-Life 2, so they have that going for them. Beyond Steam, it's just one more client that I have to install and create a unique account for, in some cases requiring an internet connection to use said games.

EPIC could have all the "Game of the Year" games available for free on their platform and I still wouldn't install their client. It's just one too many.

[Ganger]

fbx supermovielist.com eredeti hozzászólása:

The exclusive title thingy is just a greedy move and some decide not to support that

why not let ppl decide what to use? I dont see the harm. Also its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ move to push stuff ( epic launcher ) like that.

People have a right to be pissed about that.

It's not a simple as letting people decide, if a company pays you good money to release on their service then they sure don't want you too release elsewhere.

Plus exclusives rights also bring in paying customers to their service. We see this with netflix, amazon prime, sky tv etc, same with gaming services.

On consoles why would sony make an game to release on the xbox as well (wouldn't make good business sense to do so), they make games and pay devs to release games only on the PS4, in order to sell more PS4's and sell more subs and contend which in turn nets them more money.

[Daxank]

Ganger eredeti hozzászólása:

fbx supermovielist.com eredeti hozzászólása:

The exclusive title thingy is just a greedy move and some decide not to support that

why not let ppl decide what to use? I dont see the harm. Also its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ move to push stuff ( epic launcher ) like that.

People have a right to be pissed about that.

It's not a simple as letting people decide, if a company pays you good money to release on their service then they sure don't want you too release elsewhere.

Plus exclusives rights also bring in paying customers to their service. We see this with netflix, amazon prime, sky tv etc, same with gaming services.

On consoles why would sony make an game to release on the xbox as well (wouldn't make good business sense to do so), they make games and pay devs to release games only on the PS4, in order to sell more PS4's and sell more subs and contend which in turn nets them more money.

There's a difference between MAKING YOUR PRODUCTS and making them exclusive to your platform VS BUYING EXCLUSIVITY RIGHTS to products you didn't even help create.
Netflix makes their own stuff