Respawn hardware banning cheaters.

[Moose]

I like this, more developers should implement it imo. Although several games would probably lose a large chunk of their player base.

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Well, it'll just breed more common use of spoofing.

Use to be IP bans, then ppl easily figured that out
Then MAC bans, then ppl figured that out

Then multiple different hardware pieces from 1 rig bans by Blizzard for OW and then people started spoofing hardware serial numbers. Even if you have a piece of hardware banned, it just takes spoofing it to bypass.

The most effective way to remove cheaters from a free to play game honestly is add a paywall, its the sad truth. Yeah they can still spoof MAC, IP, Hardware and avoid bans but if you add the paywall FIRST then reveal the banning method it really impacts cheaters.

I dont know, it'll remove some but realistically devs are running out of cleaver ways to ban cheaters

[Mikasa Ackerman]

hardware bans often hit the wrong person , some might cheat on a throwaway account on a public pc to make that pc unable to play anymore , same with siblings, if i was banned because of a little brother i wouldnt accept that , especially if its my pc and the little idiot was playing on it without me allowing it

what then , should i have to build a new pc ?

imo the way steam does it is alright , do it out of nowhere so a cheater loses valueable items and has to make a new account and buy a game again if he wants to play again

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

hardware bans often hit the wrong person , some might cheat on a throwaway account on a public pc to make that pc unable to play anymore , same with siblings, if i was banned because of a little brother i wouldnt accept that , especially if its my pc and the little idiot was playing on it without me allowing it

what then , should i have to build a new pc ?

imo the way steam does it is alright , do it out of nowhere so a cheater loses valueable items and has to make a new account and buy a game again if he wants to play again

I wouldn't use the word 'often'
If someone is cheating on your computer or a family computer the owner is responsible.
I'd say its a very small window of people that wrongfully get impacted from hardware bans.

As for how Steam handles it they don't handle it very well.... and items aren't valuable.... they are extra unimportant cosmetics. VERY few people with high end items end up cheating anyway. To say its a good way would mean that every single cheater would have to value items. Steam handles it actually pretty poorly because for TF2 for example, they just have to make a throwaway alt account and they can even use the same email..... If it gets banned it doesnt matter if its on the same IP/MAC/Hardware Serial/Email PC it just matters the account.... actually VAC is heavily regarded as a joke in detecting cheaters. Thats why human Overwatch sprung up.

[Moose]

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

hardware bans often hit the wrong person , some might cheat on a throwaway account on a public pc to make that pc unable to play anymore , same with siblings, if i was banned because of a little brother i wouldnt accept that , especially if its my pc and the little idiot was playing on it without me allowing it

what then , should i have to build a new pc ?

imo the way steam does it is alright , do it out of nowhere so a cheater loses valueable items and has to make a new account and buy a game again if he wants to play again

I see your point it could be a nasty way of trolling someone. For a lot of the genuine cheaters that get caught out by it, it would certainly sting though.

[Mikasa Ackerman]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

hardware bans often hit the wrong person , some might cheat on a throwaway account on a public pc to make that pc unable to play anymore , same with siblings, if i was banned because of a little brother i wouldnt accept that , especially if its my pc and the little idiot was playing on it without me allowing it

what then , should i have to build a new pc ?

imo the way steam does it is alright , do it out of nowhere so a cheater loses valueable items and has to make a new account and buy a game again if he wants to play again

I wouldn't use the word 'often'
If someone is cheating on your computer or a family computer the owner is responsible.
I'd say its a very small window of people that wrongfully get impacted from hardware bans.

As for how Steam handles it they don't handle it very well.... and items aren't valuable.... they are extra unimportant cosmetics. VERY few people with high end items end up cheat. To say its a good way would mean that every single cheater would have to value items. Steam handles it actually pretty poorly because for TF2 for example, they just have to make a throwaway alt account and they can even use the same email..... If it gets banned it doesnt matter if its on the same IP/MAC/Hardware Serial/Email PC it just matters the account.... actually VAC is heavily regarded as a joke in detecting cheaters. Thats why human Overwatch sprung up.

not really , very often more than 1 person uses 1 pc , its common to not give a child its own pc but just make an extra user account on one you already have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr06EQ3F_6E
there are people who get burned by vac waves because they cheated on their main accounts

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

I wouldn't use the word 'often'
If someone is cheating on your computer or a family computer the owner is responsible.
I'd say its a very small window of people that wrongfully get impacted from hardware bans.

As for how Steam handles it they don't handle it very well.... and items aren't valuable.... they are extra unimportant cosmetics. VERY few people with high end items end up cheat. To say its a good way would mean that every single cheater would have to value items. Steam handles it actually pretty poorly because for TF2 for example, they just have to make a throwaway alt account and they can even use the same email..... If it gets banned it doesnt matter if its on the same IP/MAC/Hardware Serial/Email PC it just matters the account.... actually VAC is heavily regarded as a joke in detecting cheaters. Thats why human Overwatch sprung up.

not really , very often more than 1 person uses 1 pc , its common to not give a child its own pc but just make an extra user account on one you already have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr06EQ3F_6E
there are people who get burned by vac waves because they cheated on their main accounts

What I am saying is the owner of the computer is responsible for ALL activity on the computer, regardless of it being a 'family' computer. If you have a cheater in your family, it sounds like a personal issue than an issue of it affecting the wrong people. There is no wiggle room... someone cheated on the computer. It doesn't deserve to forgiven unless it was remoted into from an outside source. So to say it affected the wrong people is not really true. It hit the person who cheated then it did its job, regardless if a few innocent people use that same rig.

As for people getting burned by VAC who had items, I said its a VERY select few people. Out of the entire playerbase of people who play games that use VAC very few of them sporting inventories worth over $100 got burned. Yeah sometimes they snag a very big account but realistically that is a one out of five thousand kind of situation in overall cheaters.

And VAC, they once in awhile update it and people will get caught in a massive ban wave but that is always extremely spaced out.

[Mikasa Ackerman]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

not really , very often more than 1 person uses 1 pc , its common to not give a child its own pc but just make an extra user account on one you already have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr06EQ3F_6E
there are people who get burned by vac waves because they cheated on their main accounts

What I am saying is the owner of the computer is responsible for ALL activity on the computer, regardless of it being a 'family' computer. If you have a cheater in your family, it sounds like a personal issue than an issue of it affecting the wrong people. There is no wiggle room... someone cheated on the computer. It doesn't deserve to forgiven unless it was remoted into from an outside source.

As for people getting burned by VAC, I said its a VERY select few people. Out of the entire playerbase of people who play games that use VAC very few of them sporting inventories worth over $100 got burned. Yeah sometimes they snag a very big account but realistically that is a one out of five thousand kind of situation in overall cheaters.

And VAC, they once in awhile update it and people will get caught in a massive ban wave but that is always extremely spaced out.

what if the owner doesnt play games at all , and its just the kid that plays them and cheats , what if owner later wants to play something on the pc , not knowing the account has a hardware ban , also another example , what if you buy a pc at a store and return it after you got the pc banned, the store will have an expensive pc you cant use for gaming because a troll banned it

its basically like being shot by the polie for living in the same skyscrapper as the guy they were actually hunting , would that be fair ? its hard to say "the owner is responsible for everything ,thats true for accounts but not hardware , sure its your own fault for using your account on a public pc , but if you simply share the pc with someone like a sibling , good friend or whatever, you shouldnt be punished for something another person does

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

What I am saying is the owner of the computer is responsible for ALL activity on the computer, regardless of it being a 'family' computer. If you have a cheater in your family, it sounds like a personal issue than an issue of it affecting the wrong people. There is no wiggle room... someone cheated on the computer. It doesn't deserve to forgiven unless it was remoted into from an outside source.

As for people getting burned by VAC, I said its a VERY select few people. Out of the entire playerbase of people who play games that use VAC very few of them sporting inventories worth over $100 got burned. Yeah sometimes they snag a very big account but realistically that is a one out of five thousand kind of situation in overall cheaters.

And VAC, they once in awhile update it and people will get caught in a massive ban wave but that is always extremely spaced out.

what if the owner doesnt play games at all , and its just the kid that plays them and cheats , what if owner later wants to play something on the pc , not knowing the account has a hardware ban , also another example , what if you buy a pc at a store and return it after you got the pc banned, the store will have an expensive pc you cant use for gaming because a troll banned it

its basically like being shot by the polie for living in the same skyscrapper as the guy they were actually hunting , would that be fair ? its hard to say "the owner is responsible for everything ,thats true for accounts but not hardware , sure its your own fault for using your account on a public pc , but if you simply share the pc with someone like a sibling , good friend or whatever, you shouldnt be punished for something another person does

Again, the person who owns the computer is responsible for ALLLLLLLL activity.
The same rules are for your Steam account. What if someone in your family was cheating on YOUR account and it was banned? Who is at fault? The person who did cheat? Or the person who let a family member cheat on their account? Both of them, and thats the reality of it. The person who owns the computer is responsible, even if they dont even play the game. If one of the users got banned and ruined it for everyone on the machine then sadly its a personal issue at that point. This has been like this for an incredibly long time now. Well as for your example, not many people buy refurbished computers for gaming. If you bought one, loaded it up, found out there was a ban on it, you can contact the store and return it within usually 15 days of purchase OR you can provide proof of purchase from the retailer with the support of the game and they most likely would lift the ban considering you'd have proof from the retailer of your recent purchase.

You are really reaching here.... even more so with examples that don't remotely fit the situation. Thats like saying if you owned a firearm, someone stole it, you didnt report it stolen, and it was used in a murder. The owner actually CAN get in trouble too legally. Even for not having it properly stored.

Anyway, the reality of it is VERY and I mean VERRRRRY few people use a 'family' computer for gaming. To ban an extra user or two that was innocent to get rid of a cheater that was impacting numerous other player is completely justified.

[Mikasa Ackerman]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

what if the owner doesnt play games at all , and its just the kid that plays them and cheats , what if owner later wants to play something on the pc , not knowing the account has a hardware ban , also another example , what if you buy a pc at a store and return it after you got the pc banned, the store will have an expensive pc you cant use for gaming because a troll banned it

its basically like being shot by the polie for living in the same skyscrapper as the guy they were actually hunting , would that be fair ? its hard to say "the owner is responsible for everything ,thats true for accounts but not hardware , sure its your own fault for using your account on a public pc , but if you simply share the pc with someone like a sibling , good friend or whatever, you shouldnt be punished for something another person does

Again, the person who owns the computer is responsible for ALLLLLLLL activity.
The same rules are for your Steam account. What if someone in your family was cheating on YOUR account and it was banned? Who is at fault? The person who did cheat? Or the person who let a family member cheat on their account? Both of them, and thats the reality of it. The person who owns the computer is responsible, even if they dont even play the game. If one of the users got banned and ruined it for everyone on the machine then sadly its a personal issue at that point. This has been like this for an incredibly long time now. Well as for your example, not many people buy refurbished computers for gaming. If you bought one, loaded it up, found out there was a ban on it, you can contact the store and return it within usually 15 days of purchase OR you can provide proof of purchase from the retailer with the support of the game and they most likely would lift the ban considering you'd have proof from the retailer of your recent purchase.

You are really reaching here.... even more so with examples that don't remotely fit the situation. Thats like saying if you owned a firearm, someone stole it, you didnt report it stolen, and it was used in a murder. The owner actually CAN get in trouble too legally. Even for not having it properly stored.

Anyway, the reality of it is VERY and I mean VERRRRRY few people use a 'family' computer for gaming. To ban an extra user or two that was innocent to get rid of a cheater that was impacting numerous other player is completely justified.

i will stop argueing with you , you just dont get it
if someone access my account and cheats , it is my responsibility because i either used a weak password , or straight up gave the password away , but the pc itself no ( only to some degreee, if you use a public pc with cheats installed its also your responsibility) but if someone cheats on their profile on their account , its none of my business why would it be ? if the cheats werent active when i played on my account , why should my hardware get a ban because of someone else cheating , plus on the minecraft server i once played on ,we had two siblings sharing a pc, so even if one cheated , why would we ban the other for just having the same pc ?

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Again, the person who owns the computer is responsible for ALLLLLLLL activity.
The same rules are for your Steam account. What if someone in your family was cheating on YOUR account and it was banned? Who is at fault? The person who did cheat? Or the person who let a family member cheat on their account? Both of them, and thats the reality of it. The person who owns the computer is responsible, even if they dont even play the game. If one of the users got banned and ruined it for everyone on the machine then sadly its a personal issue at that point. This has been like this for an incredibly long time now. Well as for your example, not many people buy refurbished computers for gaming. If you bought one, loaded it up, found out there was a ban on it, you can contact the store and return it within usually 15 days of purchase OR you can provide proof of purchase from the retailer with the support of the game and they most likely would lift the ban considering you'd have proof from the retailer of your recent purchase.

You are really reaching here.... even more so with examples that don't remotely fit the situation. Thats like saying if you owned a firearm, someone stole it, you didnt report it stolen, and it was used in a murder. The owner actually CAN get in trouble too legally. Even for not having it properly stored.

Anyway, the reality of it is VERY and I mean VERRRRRY few people use a 'family' computer for gaming. To ban an extra user or two that was innocent to get rid of a cheater that was impacting numerous other player is completely justified.

i will stop argueing with you , you just dont get it
if someone access my account and cheats , it is my responsibility because i either used a weak password , or straight up gave the password away , but the pc itself no ( only to some degreee, if you use a public pc with cheats installed its also your responsibility) but if someone cheats on their profile on their account , its none of my business why would it be ? if the cheats werent active when i played on my account , why should my hardware get a ban because of someone else cheating , plus on the minecraft server i once played on ,we had two siblings sharing a pc, so even if one cheated , why would we ban the other for just having the same pc ?

No I get it lol.
What I am saying is even Steam has these rules and ever single launcher has them as well. If someone cheats on the account weither its you or not you are responsible. The same goes for computers lol. I get it but you want to act like hardware bans hit A LOT of innocent people when the reality is they might hit less than a couple hundred over thousands.

Like I said, you ban random hardware of a pc that was using cheats. What are the odds there are more than 1 player on that PC for that game? VERY. VERY. VERY. low. And even if there is what are the odds there are more than TWO players on that pc for that game? Even lower. So banning 1 of those and MAYBE banning 1 or 2 innocent players is justified. You stopped 1 person affecting HUNDREDS of users and someone innocent got hit up for it too. Too bad, maybe tell your friend or family members they should cheat.

I'm done. It is very obvious you are young and you just want to argue that its unfair when it really isnt. Tell your siblings or other family members dont cheat.

Look at it this way. The family member cheating was ruining the experience of everyone else they encountered...... INCLUDING you.

Anyway, like I stated numerous times now family shared computers to play the same exact games is very rare these days and banning a cheater that hurt hundreds while also banning an innocent person in the process is MORE than balanced.

[Mikasa Ackerman]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

i will stop argueing with you , you just dont get it
if someone access my account and cheats , it is my responsibility because i either used a weak password , or straight up gave the password away , but the pc itself no ( only to some degreee, if you use a public pc with cheats installed its also your responsibility) but if someone cheats on their profile on their account , its none of my business why would it be ? if the cheats werent active when i played on my account , why should my hardware get a ban because of someone else cheating , plus on the minecraft server i once played on ,we had two siblings sharing a pc, so even if one cheated , why would we ban the other for just having the same pc ?

No I get it lol.
What I am saying is even Steam has these rules and ever single launcher has them as well. If someone cheats on the account weither its you or not you are responsible. The same goes for computers lol. I get it but you want to act like hardware bans hit A LOT of innocent people when the reality is they might hit less than a couple hundred over thousands.

Like I said, you ban random hardware of a pc that was using cheats. What are the odds there are more than 1 player on that PC for that game? VERY. VERY. VERY. low. And even if there is what are the odds there are more than TWO players on that pc for that game? Even lower. So banning 1 of those and MAYBE banning 1 or 2 innocent players is justified. You stopped 1 person affecting HUNDREDS of users and someone innocent got hit up for it too. Too bad, maybe tell your friend or family members they should cheat.

I'm done. It is very obvious you are young and you just want to argue that its unfair when it really isnt. Tell your siblings or other family members dont cheat.

Look at it this way. The family member cheating was ruining the experience of everyone else they encountered...... INCLUDING you.

Anyway, like I stated numerous times now family shared computers to play the same exact games is very rare these days and banning a cheater that hurt hundreds while also banning an innocent person in the process is MORE than balanced.

no , the same doesnt apply for computers , i can buy a computer, name my profile after me ,if someone else then cheats on that pc on their account , its not my fault , it is if i then also get banned on my account because i didnt clear the cheats but otherwise , its not my fault im not resonsible for my hardware unless theres cheats on it while i myself play

but you have proven to really dont get it so im unsubscribing

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

No I get it lol.
What I am saying is even Steam has these rules and ever single launcher has them as well. If someone cheats on the account weither its you or not you are responsible. The same goes for computers lol. I get it but you want to act like hardware bans hit A LOT of innocent people when the reality is they might hit less than a couple hundred over thousands.

Like I said, you ban random hardware of a pc that was using cheats. What are the odds there are more than 1 player on that PC for that game? VERY. VERY. VERY. low. And even if there is what are the odds there are more than TWO players on that pc for that game? Even lower. So banning 1 of those and MAYBE banning 1 or 2 innocent players is justified. You stopped 1 person affecting HUNDREDS of users and someone innocent got hit up for it too. Too bad, maybe tell your friend or family members they should cheat.

I'm done. It is very obvious you are young and you just want to argue that its unfair when it really isnt. Tell your siblings or other family members dont cheat.

Look at it this way. The family member cheating was ruining the experience of everyone else they encountered...... INCLUDING you.

Anyway, like I stated numerous times now family shared computers to play the same exact games is very rare these days and banning a cheater that hurt hundreds while also banning an innocent person in the process is MORE than balanced.

no , the same doesnt apply for computers , i can buy a computer, name my profile after me ,if someone else then cheats on that pc on their account , its not my fault , it is if i then also get banned on my account because i didnt clear the cheats but otherwise , its not my fault im not resonsible for my hardware unless theres cheats on it while i myself play

but you have proven to really dont get it so im unsubscribing

Ugh, it does.
You just want to act like a victim.
If you got banned because of a family member cheating on a shared computer then simply deal with it or buy your OWN computer. If you cant afford it well you were sharing a computer anyway which means you were sharing an account in retrospect. One of you cheated, both of you are punished to ensure everyone else who is playing by the rules dont have to suffer.

All you keep shoving is you rather have cheaters constantly running rampant and hurting others. If your family member cheats then be mad at them, obviously they didnt care about anyone's feelings including yours and proper measures were taken to ensure they cant hurt anyone else.

[Radene]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

What I am saying is the owner of the computer is responsible for ALL activity on the computer, regardless of it being a 'family' computer. If you have a cheater in your family, it sounds like a personal issue than an issue of it affecting the wrong people. There is no wiggle room... someone cheated on the computer. It doesn't deserve to forgiven unless it was remoted into from an outside source. So to say it affected the wrong people is not really true. It hit the person who cheated then it did its job, regardless if a few innocent people use that same rig.

As for people getting burned by VAC who had items, I said its a VERY select few people. Out of the entire playerbase of people who play games that use VAC very few of them sporting inventories worth over $100 got burned. Yeah sometimes they snag a very big account but realistically that is a one out of five thousand kind of situation in overall cheaters.

And VAC, they once in awhile update it and people will get caught in a massive ban wave but that is always extremely spaced out.

I seriously wish people exercised this kind of "Zero tolerance" personal policy towards things that actually make a real negative impact on the world.

Like, I don't know, tax fraud, cutting corners in infrastructure projects, agitating for violence against others, treating employees like slaves...

You know, that kind of stuff.

Someone ruined your fun? Well, jeez. I had my fun ruined three times today alone! Because life happened.

[Wolf Knight]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Rikka Takanashi:

no , the same doesnt apply for computers , i can buy a computer, name my profile after me ,if someone else then cheats on that pc on their account , its not my fault , it is if i then also get banned on my account because i didnt clear the cheats but otherwise , its not my fault im not resonsible for my hardware unless theres cheats on it while i myself play

but you have proven to really dont get it so im unsubscribing

Ugh, it does.
You just want to act like a victim.
If you got banned because of a family member cheating on a shared computer then simply deal with it or buy your OWN computer. If you cant afford it well you were sharing a computer anyway which means you were sharing an account in retrospect. One of you cheated, both of you are punished to ensure everyone else who is playing by the rules dont have to suffer.

you are forgetting something. not everyone owns a computer. in some countries, they use cybercafes to game on. you start hardware banning, you start locking out businesses and their customers. again, hardware bans dont work, the cheaters will just spoof the entire machine to get around your ban idea. and I bet you will be very happy when you can't play because one of your computer parts got spoofed and banned.

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Radene:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

What I am saying is the owner of the computer is responsible for ALL activity on the computer, regardless of it being a 'family' computer. If you have a cheater in your family, it sounds like a personal issue than an issue of it affecting the wrong people. There is no wiggle room... someone cheated on the computer. It doesn't deserve to forgiven unless it was remoted into from an outside source. So to say it affected the wrong people is not really true. It hit the person who cheated then it did its job, regardless if a few innocent people use that same rig.

As for people getting burned by VAC who had items, I said its a VERY select few people. Out of the entire playerbase of people who play games that use VAC very few of them sporting inventories worth over $100 got burned. Yeah sometimes they snag a very big account but realistically that is a one out of five thousand kind of situation in overall cheaters.

And VAC, they once in awhile update it and people will get caught in a massive ban wave but that is always extremely spaced out.

I seriously wish people exercised this kind of "Zero tolerance" personal policy towards things that actually make a real negative impact on the world.

Like, I don't know, tax fraud, cutting corners in infrastructure projects, agitating for violence against others, treating employees like slaves...

You know, that kind of stuff.

Well, real world has a lot of shady loopholes that had to get created and a lot of people fall for being the fall guy.

I've seen someone at my friends work get fired and jailed for 2 years because they signed all these papers that pushed for a bunch of safety violations and someone got hurt. There were clear policies in place but their boss pressured them socially (which they werent responsible at all because they never once told them or offered them rewards for such things just implied they are doing great things) and they caved and put their name on things authorizing it. Idk, world has too many people that put themselves in such silly situations for a zero tolerance to exist.