18 year old dating a 16 year old?

[Spartan_Warrior]

do y'all think that's weird? whats your max age difference in your mind.

[wubbelflup]

引用自 Valzeras：

引用自 Starbug：

What the actual ♥♥♥♥. Which European country is this?

The legal age of consent is 14 in half of EU so it's legal for an old person to do it with a 14 year old in half the EU member states.

actually it isn't.

for my country. if one partner is more developed and has power over the other it is not legal.

this goes for every age.

so no, a 16 yo can't have a relationship with a 50 yo. since you know.. no sane 16 yo is gonna choose to have that in my knowledge. and the development difference is too big.

[AdahnGorion]

引用自 epicpotato 077：

引用自 Valzeras：

The legal age of consent is 14 in half of EU so it's legal for an old person to do it with a 14 year old in half the EU member states.

actually it isn't.

for my country. if one partner is more developed and has power over the other it is not legal.

this goes for every age.

so no, a 16 yo can't have a relationship with a 50 yo. since you know.. no sane 16 yo is gonna choose to have that in my knowledge. and the development difference is too big.

They could, if it was of own choice and families supported it or did not care. If the 50 year old was a female teacher and the 16 year old a boy student in her class, then it would be illigal. Again it depends on the "auhority" situation and if there is any type of taking advantage of, if they are not present then age does not matter, as long as it is within the law.

But most people would frown upon that ofc, because people have set values.

[Starbug]

引用自 Darkie：

引用自 epicpotato 077：

actually it isn't.

for my country. if one partner is more developed and has power over the other it is not legal.

this goes for every age.

so no, a 16 yo can't have a relationship with a 50 yo. since you know.. no sane 16 yo is gonna choose to have that in my knowledge. and the development difference is too big.

They could, if it was of own choice and families supported it or did not care. If the 50 year old was a female teacher and the 16 year old a boy student in her class, then it would be illigal. Again it depends on the "auhority" situation and if there is any type of taking advantage of, if they are not present then age does not matter, as long as it is within the law.

But most people would frown upon that ofc, because people have set values.

There has to be an assumption that when an adult begins a relationship with a child that there's been a large element of grooming beforehand.

There's no way on earth a 14 year old should be in a sexual relationship with someone that much older than them. To frame that as "love" would be ignorant of the prior manipulation of the child by a controlling adult.

I'm honestly shocked that apparently civilised European countries still class a 14 year old child as being capable of entering into a relationship of this type with a person that age.

My niece is 14 and if she was in this sort of relationship with a man twice her age, he'd be getting a surprise visit from her dad and myself to have a small chat. With that small chat being an euphemism for threats of extreme violence to follow should he fail to leave her alone.

[Radene]

引用自 Starbug：

引用自 Darkie：

They could, if it was of own choice and families supported it or did not care. If the 50 year old was a female teacher and the 16 year old a boy student in her class, then it would be illigal. Again it depends on the "auhority" situation and if there is any type of taking advantage of, if they are not present then age does not matter, as long as it is within the law.

But most people would frown upon that ofc, because people have set values.

There has to be an assumption that when an adult begins a relationship with a child that there's been a large element of grooming beforehand.

There's no way on earth a 14 year old should be in a sexual relationship with someone that much older than them. To frame that as "love" would be ignorant of the prior manipulation of the child by a controlling adult.

I'm honestly shocked that apparently civilised European countries still class a 14 year old child as being capable of entering into a relationship of this type with a person that age.

My niece is 14 and if she was in this sort of relationship with a man twice her age, he'd be getting a surprise visit from her dad and myself to have a small chat. With that small chat being an euphemism for threats of extreme violence to follow should he fail to leave her alone.

Who said anything abour sexual relationships? I thought topic was about dating.

No, they are not the same.

[Starbug]

引用自 Radene：

引用自 Starbug：

There has to be an assumption that when an adult begins a relationship with a child that there's been a large element of grooming beforehand.

There's no way on earth a 14 year old should be in a sexual relationship with someone that much older than them. To frame that as "love" would be ignorant of the prior manipulation of the child by a controlling adult.

I'm honestly shocked that apparently civilised European countries still class a 14 year old child as being capable of entering into a relationship of this type with a person that age.

My niece is 14 and if she was in this sort of relationship with a man twice her age, he'd be getting a surprise visit from her dad and myself to have a small chat. With that small chat being an euphemism for threats of extreme violence to follow should he fail to leave her alone.

Who said anything abour sexual relationships? I thought topic was about dating.

No, they are not the same.

I'm referencing the 14 and 28 year old that someone above mentioned.

I'm operating on the assumption that dating is a prelude to moving towards a sexual relationship. If I go out with an opposite gender friend for a drink or whatever, I wouldn't say we were on a date.

Dating is one step on the march to getting jiggy with someone. Unless definitions have changed, I mean.

[Spartan_Warrior]

引用自 Stern Warrior：

引用自 Starbug：

I'm referencing the 14 and 28 year old that someone above mentioned.

I'm operating on the assumption that dating is a prelude to moving towards a sexual relationship. If I go out with an opposite gender friend for a drink or whatever, I wouldn't say we were on a date.

Dating is one step on the march to getting jiggy with someone. Unless definitions have changed, I mean.

Dating is not necesarily related to a desire to have sex later. People can date without having sex same as being in relationships without having sexual intercourse. Even if "conventional wisdom" of "brave new" modern times says otherwise.

this is very true

[AdahnGorion]

引用自 Starbug：

引用自 Darkie：

They could, if it was of own choice and families supported it or did not care. If the 50 year old was a female teacher and the 16 year old a boy student in her class, then it would be illigal. Again it depends on the "auhority" situation and if there is any type of taking advantage of, if they are not present then age does not matter, as long as it is within the law.

But most people would frown upon that ofc, because people have set values.

There has to be an assumption that when an adult begins a relationship with a child that there's been a large element of grooming beforehand.

There's no way on earth a 14 year old should be in a sexual relationship with someone that much older than them. To frame that as "love" would be ignorant of the prior manipulation of the child by a controlling adult.

I'm honestly shocked that apparently civilised European countries still class a 14 year old child as being capable of entering into a relationship of this type with a person that age.

My niece is 14 and if she was in this sort of relationship with a man twice her age, he'd be getting a surprise visit from her dad and myself to have a small chat. With that small chat being an euphemism for threats of extreme violence to follow should he fail to leave her alone.

Edit. No need to make further debate, since it will just stir a huge debate without much meaning.

Let me just close it by saying, that in the OP's case I think it is perfectly fine and natural

[Starbug]

引用自 Darkie：

引用自 Starbug：

There has to be an assumption that when an adult begins a relationship with a child that there's been a large element of grooming beforehand.

There's no way on earth a 14 year old should be in a sexual relationship with someone that much older than them. To frame that as "love" would be ignorant of the prior manipulation of the child by a controlling adult.

I'm honestly shocked that apparently civilised European countries still class a 14 year old child as being capable of entering into a relationship of this type with a person that age.

My niece is 14 and if she was in this sort of relationship with a man twice her age, he'd be getting a surprise visit from her dad and myself to have a small chat. With that small chat being an euphemism for threats of extreme violence to follow should he fail to leave her alone.

I don't consider a 16 year old a child. I do consider them a teen. There is a difference.
Besides all this talk of "kids/teens/young adults" are actully a very new thing in our history as humans and in some areas of the world, they still don't exist.

Biologically, we are ready to be "grown ups" much much earlier than soceity have constructed, there are many pro/cons about this ofc. I am pretty suprised about the "you have to be 18 or even 21 to have sex" in some countries, but I respect their views, just as you should respect other areas culture. There is nothing weird about this, nothing unatural either.

I don't know the maturity of your niece, nor your cultural structure, your family relations and if you are bond by religious rule... Thus I can't comment on anything specific. What I can do is to tell you when a girl/boy is biologically ready to engage in intimicy or what it takes to develop exprience with relationship.. Again the most normal thing is that people "expiriment" have relationship when they are 14-19. This is perfectly fine, some 14 year olds are just as mature as some 19 year olds, females are often alot more mature as well, that is why you often see a younger female and older male (ie 23 year old with a 20 year old)

But in my opinion we are going to much off topic now and to much huge debate. Let me just close it by saying, that in the OP's case I think it is perfectly fine and natural

I consider a 14 year old with a 28 year old as being a child/adult relationship.

To characterisise your tacit approval of this sort of behaviour as "it's okay some 14 year old girls are quite mature" is in my mind being an apologist for paedophilic behaviour.

The age range op mentions is perfectly fine btw.. it's the subsequent statements regarding adult and child relationships that I'm saying are morally wrong. And that some European countries are bordering on middle eastern child bride practices. I find that repugnant. That's just my opinion.

[EvilPinata]

It's not bad as long as it's legal I'd say. Personally though I started looking into women my age or older when I got to 18 because I think dating a 16 year old would be creepy. Not because the age gap is bad, but because I consider 16 year olds minors and 18 year olds adults.
My wife is five years older than me at 29 where as I'm 24. I honestly wouldn't have been opposed to being with someone with an even bigger age gap as long as I felt we were compatible.

[Zylfrax791]

引用自 Darkie：

引用自 epicpotato 077：

actually it isn't.

for my country. if one partner is more developed and has power over the other it is not legal.

this goes for every age.

so no, a 16 yo can't have a relationship with a 50 yo. since you know.. no sane 16 yo is gonna choose to have that in my knowledge. and the development difference is too big.

They could, if it was of own choice and families supported it or did not care. If the 50 year old was a female teacher and the 16 year old a boy student in her class, then it would be illigal. Again it depends on the "auhority" situation and if there is any type of taking advantage of, if they are not present then age does not matter, as long as it is within the law.

But most people would frown upon that ofc, because people have set values.

Bridgette was Emanuel Macron's teacher and initiated the relationship when he was a minor at 15.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness：

I think you are reacting too strongly to me mentioning the law.

I think you’re reacting too strongly to someone disapproving of adults trying to have sex with children.

引用自 ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness：

I would not condemn a relationships on a mere two year age difference.

I’m not condemning “a relationship”. The relationship is an abstract concept, it doesn’t make choices and has no responsibility. I’m condemning the practice of a 26 year old looking to schoolkids for sex.

[wubbelflup]

引用自 Starbug：

引用自 Darkie：

They could, if it was of own choice and families supported it or did not care. If the 50 year old was a female teacher and the 16 year old a boy student in her class, then it would be illigal. Again it depends on the "auhority" situation and if there is any type of taking advantage of, if they are not present then age does not matter, as long as it is within the law.

But most people would frown upon that ofc, because people have set values.

There has to be an assumption that when an adult begins a relationship with a child that there's been a large element of grooming beforehand.

There's no way on earth a 14 year old should be in a sexual relationship with someone that much older than them. To frame that as "love" would be ignorant of the prior manipulation of the child by a controlling adult.

I'm honestly shocked that apparently civilised European countries still class a 14 year old child as being capable of entering into a relationship of this type with a person that age.

My niece is 14 and if she was in this sort of relationship with a man twice her age, he'd be getting a surprise visit from her dad and myself to have a small chat. With that small chat being an euphemism for threats of extreme violence to follow should he fail to leave her alone.

That's not why these laws are there..

I agree 14 is young. But in puberty boys and girls will send pictures and have intercourse. If by chance the relationship is with a 18 yo. (4 year age differences are very common among couples) then in the usa they could be jailed...

In Europe everybody in practice is NOT gonna tollerate a old man with a kid. Plenty of laws to stop that... The age of consent is just one in many on this subject.

I know just one case of a local politician having a relationship with a 16 yo girl.

He was being brought in front of court and had to give up his position.

He publicly said he was sorry and had to step down

Funnily enough psychologists who researched them concluded that the girl was exceptionally bright and 100% in on it. Which just goes to show how frikinn weird humans are. They met at a debate club of all places...