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Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 1시 23분
Goodbye PC 2023 :( lets go over to PlayStation together
Goodbye PC 2023 :(

cause Microsoft forces us to use win10 by taking older Os out of sale & stops supporting them in 2023, so only choice left is to go over to PlayStation & drop PC cause Mac & Linux don't support games, on game info Platform have u ever seen Linux or Mac being mentioned?

but why i make this post is cause i ask ppl to join me on this to show Microsoft that we don't take SH from them, that we wont let tyrants win

no security updates means we would become more vulnerable against hacking & viruses, i know most know that, but there mite be few that don't know that

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-people-hate-Windows-10
https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html
win10 is malware & os 2 in 1 + it has lot unnecessary processes, full of carp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oKLbAXgm7A&t=158s

if Microsoft doesn't change its mind by 2023, then lets all go all together over to PlayStation with sadness in our face cause we do lose something, but we can hurt Microsoft that way & make them see the error of their ways


THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE A OS WE DON'T WANT DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!!!
THEY HALF TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING WIN7 & PUT IT BACK ON SALE!!!!!

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Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 8시 59분 
BeatZ님이 먼저 게시:
Sugram22님이 먼저 게시:
@BeatZ

i said only choice is PlayStation to spite MC xbox is also MC so going for that well isn't spiteful & as i said it was scare tactic so i was bit more dramatic

& PS has also games that are on PC, not all ofc & also better games then on Wii so PS would be second best choice


MC does not force you to do anything. They recommend you to.

making older product less secure to promote new is forcing, they just ton say it out, that dosn't change the fact that its forcing
Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 00분 
BeatZ님이 먼저 게시:
Sugram22님이 먼저 게시:
... with each month PC becomes more & more vulnerable & eventually not even antivirus is enough ....
Never used an anti-virus-software since Windows 7
The best defence against viruses is your brain
u do need to scan time to time still, u never know, i had attacks from sites before what Avast blocked, without it i would be infected, only brain isn't enough in my opinion
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Ogami 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 10분 
I have over 3000 games on Steam alone. I switched to Windows 10 the day it released.
I did not encounter A SINGLE GAME yet that did work on Windows 10 as before.
I had ZERO problems in 3 years of using Windows 10.

You are of course free to not use it, its a free world.
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Crashed 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 18분 
Yotogaki Bavajheb님이 먼저 게시:
Or you could stop being paranoid and just use Windows 10 like the rest of the world...
Obviously the user is paranoid due to abusing the term malware.
Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 30분 
BeatZ님이 먼저 게시:
Sugram22님이 먼저 게시:
@BeatZ

i said only choice is PlayStation to spite MC xbox is also MC so going for that well isn't spiteful & as i said it was scare tactic so i was bit more dramatic

& PS has also games that are on PC, not all ofc & also better games then on Wii so PS would be second best choice

Windows 7 can still be obtained via lots of legal ways

.

what legal ways if MC no longer sells the license?
Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 31분 
Crashed님이 먼저 게시:
Yotogaki Bavajheb님이 먼저 게시:
Or you could stop being paranoid and just use Windows 10 like the rest of the world...
Obviously the user is paranoid due to abusing the term malware.
didn't u read, i used the term to be more dramatic....
Crazy Tiger 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 37분 
Sugram22님이 먼저 게시:
BeatZ님이 먼저 게시:

Windows 7 can still be obtained via lots of legal ways

.

what legal ways if MC no longer sells the license?

Ebay.
Crashed 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 39분 
Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:
Sugram22님이 먼저 게시:

what legal ways if MC no longer sells the license?

Ebay.
New old stock pretty much.
TheRandomGuy 2018년 12월 9일 오전 9시 53분 
MS isn't really forcing you off of any OS. You can keep using Windows 7 and 8/8.1 for as long as you like. Steam for instance only dropped XP/Vista support this year, 4 years after both were End of Life in 2014. So, if things are similar, you can keep using Windows 7 and 8 for as long as Valve and other Companies support it. Just because MS stops patching it doesn't mean other companies will immediately stop supporting it. You will probably want to be more cautious though, just to be safe.

If that's not an option, and you really hate Windows 10, then Linux is a fairly good alternative, especially given that Valve is still pushing Linux support. Steam even integrated Wine and DXVK (Compatibility Layer + DirectX Emulation) into Steam for Linux, which allows Linux users to simply click play on a Windows game they already own and Steam will run it through Wine/DXVK for you. Not all games will work mind you (Looking mainly at games with DRM/Anti-Cheat) , but a good portion of the Steam store does work well with it. It's also being constantly updated.

If you do decide to go with Linux though, I'd recommend either going with Mint or Ubuntu. Both are easy-to-use distributions. There are also a ton of guides as to how to get started with gaming on Linux as well.

My point though is that regardless of what happens to older Windows OSes, you still have a choice to either continue to use them for a few more years, switch to a new one (Windows 10), or switch to Linux.
Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 10시 17분 
TheRandomGuy님이 먼저 게시:
MS isn't really forcing you off of any OS. You can keep using Windows 7 and 8/8.1 for as long as you like. Steam for instance only dropped XP/Vista support this year, 4 years after both were End of Life in 2014. So, if things are similar, you can keep using Windows 7 and 8 for as long as Valve and other Companies support it. Just because MS stops patching it doesn't mean other companies will immediately stop supporting it. You will probably want to be more cautious though, just to be safe.

If that's not an option, and you really hate Windows 10, then Linux is a fairly good alternative, especially given that Valve is still pushing Linux support. Steam even integrated Wine and DXVK (Compatibility Layer + DirectX Emulation) into Steam for Linux, which allows Linux users to simply click play on a Windows game they already own and Steam will run it through Wine/DXVK for you. Not all games will work mind you (Looking mainly at games with DRM/Anti-Cheat) , but a good portion of the Steam store does work well with it. It's also being constantly updated.

If you do decide to go with Linux though, I'd recommend either going with Mint or Ubuntu. Both are easy-to-use distributions. There are also a ton of guides as to how to get started with gaming on Linux as well.

My point though is that regardless of what happens to older Windows OSes, you still have a choice to either continue to use them for a few more years, switch to a new one (Windows 10), or switch to Linux.

one win10 MC article made me more concerned when they mentioned its final OS, it mentioned them adding new things with updates, but what if it induces stuff with background processes, what give extra background processes what i find unnecessary, that's a huge no, i uninstalled alien assist & something more connected with it cause of that from my pc cause at 1 point it installed new unknown thing with background process

if i one day decide to take win10 i hope they do that stuff trough win store, if u turn off notification u still can visit notification list later (when user feels like it) to see what free stuff they want to offer instead if trough win update

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Winged One 2018년 12월 9일 오전 10시 20분 
sorry OP, but you don't know what you are talking about and using the term "malware" to refer to the OS shows it..


I have built multiple gaming rigs as well as machines for drafting and modeling design for clients through the firm I work at, had to throw 10 on because thats the only keys I can get through my firm at this point and they have said they preform better than their older W7 PC's in just about every way..


Yes Windows 10 had some issues on first release, but so did 7, and XP, and 9x, and litterally every OS people have ever "praised" (as has pretty much every Service pack, are you to young to remember the initial problems with XP SP1? those were far worse than anything with Windows 10).. over time those issues get sorted out and the product gets past its stability issues

the only legitimate issue with Windows 10 is how its update protocol handles updates, but that can be bypassed and disabled by a few means based on what version of 10 you are running..



don't believe everything you read in a clickbait article or a "youtube video".. Windows 7 has/had just as many issues, the media is just far more inclined to point them out with 10 due to how such sites now gain revenue..
Crashed 2018년 12월 9일 오전 10시 22분 
theseraph1님이 먼저 게시:
sorry OP, but you don't know what you are talking about and using the term "malware" to refer to the OS shows it..
With the gaming community misusing the term left and right, this might be a substantial threat to the security of everyone on the Internet.
TheRandomGuy 2018년 12월 9일 오전 10시 26분 
Sugram22님이 먼저 게시:
TheRandomGuy님이 먼저 게시:
MS isn't really forcing you off of any OS. You can keep using Windows 7 and 8/8.1 for as long as you like. Steam for instance only dropped XP/Vista support this year, 4 years after both were End of Life in 2014. So, if things are similar, you can keep using Windows 7 and 8 for as long as Valve and other Companies support it. Just because MS stops patching it doesn't mean other companies will immediately stop supporting it. You will probably want to be more cautious though, just to be safe.

If that's not an option, and you really hate Windows 10, then Linux is a fairly good alternative, especially given that Valve is still pushing Linux support. Steam even integrated Wine and DXVK (Compatibility Layer + DirectX Emulation) into Steam for Linux, which allows Linux users to simply click play on a Windows game they already own and Steam will run it through Wine/DXVK for you. Not all games will work mind you (Looking mainly at games with DRM/Anti-Cheat) , but a good portion of the Steam store does work well with it. It's also being constantly updated.

If you do decide to go with Linux though, I'd recommend either going with Mint or Ubuntu. Both are easy-to-use distributions. There are also a ton of guides as to how to get started with gaming on Linux as well.

My point though is that regardless of what happens to older Windows OSes, you still have a choice to either continue to use them for a few more years, switch to a new one (Windows 10), or switch to Linux.

one win10 MC article made me more concerned when they mentioned its final OS, it mentioned them adding new things with updates, but what if it induces stuff with background processes, what give extra background processes what i find unnecessary, that's a huge no, i uninstalled alien assist & something more connected with it cause of that from my pc cause at 1 point it installed new unknown thing with background process

also i heard Win10 is or will be sub paste OS, sry i don't do sub even antivirus is free ver, i am saving money for EM, no as rich as some are

MS isn't forcing Windows 10 to be a subscription service for home / pro users. That's for enterprises. Doing it for home users would be commercial suicide for Microsoft, well, sorta, they don't really rely on windows for money anymore (All Cloud Services Now)

Windows 10 is supposed to be their "Final Windows OS", just with feature updates twice a year. Granted, Microsoft's kinda proven that they suck at doing them now, with both feature updates in 2018 (1803 / 1809) being riddled with bugs at their release, and the ever infamous 1809 File Deletion Bug which they will likely never live down now. They can, and probably do, introduce new background processes or tasks with each update. Granted you CAN disable updates on Windows 10 (through a variety of registry tweaks, task scheduler tweaks, and disabling services), although its' pretty complicated, and Microsoft goes out of their way to try and break those methods with every update. Not to mention doing that means you won't get security updates, which means you're basically in the same boat you'd be in if you stuck with Windows 7.

Like I said in my earlier post, if you hate Windows 10 then you have two options, stay with Windows 7 until Valve drops support, which will likely be whenever chromium stops supporting win7, as that's why they dropped XP/Vista support. The other option is to drop Windows entirely and install a Linux Operating System. As stated prior, I'd recommend Ubuntu or Mint for new Linux users. You just need to load the ISO onto a CD or Flash Drive to boot into it. With Linux you actually have control over all aspects of the operating system, from updates to background processes, nothing is restricted. The only problem is the software library, as most games are made for windows and not Linux. While this has slowly changed over the past years, for most games you'll have to use Wine/DXVK, which Valve has been so grateful to include in the newest iteration of Steamplay on Linux, to run Windows games on Linux.
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Winged One 2018년 12월 9일 오전 10시 28분 
Crashed님이 먼저 게시:
theseraph1님이 먼저 게시:
sorry OP, but you don't know what you are talking about and using the term "malware" to refer to the OS shows it..
With the gaming community misusing the term left and right, this might be a substantial threat to the security of everyone on the Internet.
me and a co-worker were having this conversation last week while inspecting a clients network for an infection they "thought" they had and called us in a panic..

people who read a few bullet point articles think they are suddenly an expert, start throwing terms like "hack" "malware" "killed" "stolen" around in the totally wrong meaning and it just confuses people on what these terms actually are.. and honestly, a large part of the stigma W10 gets is a result of that..
Sugram22 2018년 12월 9일 오전 10시 41분 
@TheRandomGuy

also does win10 update have more options? like i care only about patches & fixes & security updates, but cause its final os they may make major UI changes to, its pain when u get use to 1UI & then its changed, that what pissed me off 3 time with antivirus (i was like come on when will u stick with 1 UI) :D
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