Kylo Ren vs Darth Vader

[Arvaos]

https://youtu.be/owrmLeX20CY

Who would win? Kylo is younger and similar to Anakin but lacks the same training while Vader is old.

[Drystoner]

It's obviously vader, but if it's Ben Swolo then it's another story.

[Arvaos]

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Escrito originalmente por Rōnin 浪人:

https://youtu.be/owrmLeX20CY

Who would win? Kylo is younger and similar to Anakin but lacks the same training while Vader is old.

Kylo Ren is a joke

That's why he beat a whole Jedi temple trained by Luke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYkOTO-283g

[Xero_Daxter]

As a duelist I don’t think Kylo would fair much against Vader. Vader is a Jedi killer and killed a lot of Jedis as a robot.

Kylo’s force powers seem impressive but I believe Vader’s use of the force is way stronger. Pain will just anger Vader and impower him.

[Xautos]

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Vader. He was more controlling of his emotional state and had a lot of power and discipline.

Luke was trained by Yoda but Rey was never trained and had little to work with until she met Luke. If we use Luke and Rey as the case point, Rey was enough of a match for Kylo, meaning he wasn't that well trained either, however Luke was trained and Luke was outmatched by Vader in direct combat.

Honestly the way I see it, force affinity > training.

The reason both the Jedi and the Sith talk about so and so much training is that they're ideological orders - the time is needed not to "train the skills" but to be indoctrinated into the order's philosophy.

Vader learned most of his abilities from his previous self before the Emperor twisted his mind over Padme.

One simply doesn't forget those things and before he was Vader, Anakin was more powerful in force affinity and skill than Obi-wan, but Obi-wan simply had the emotional control and experience to beat Anaken because he had the "high ground", where as an emotionally unstable Anakin was not thinking clearly and attacked without any regard for the risks. Even a darkside user not focused can easily fail.

When Anakin became Vader, his hate strengthened his connect to the dark side and he became more sure of himself, more confident in his actions. Luke didn't stand much of a chance and lost his hand as well for good measure.

You see it a few times, Vader reaches into Luke's mind to distract him and it works, Vader manages to defeat Luke. It was only by some miracle that Luke was able to reach into that metal suit and grab his father out of the darkness at the last moment when Luke was being tortured that Vader was defeated for good. for both of them the lightsaber wasn't the most important aspect, the psychological battle was more important between father and son.


Now look at Kylo, he is unstable, has always been unstable. He killed his father, betrayed his master, Luke. Then he attempted to kill his mother as well. He is well and truly in the dark, but he isn't sure of anything, it is like he has been tortured and those scars are still fresh and on the surface and he is just writhing in agony. He is undisciplined, unfocused.

If Kylo had encountered Vader, Vader would of had him killed pretty quickly.

[Drystoner]

Escrito originalmente por Xero_Daxter:

As a duelist I don’t think Kylo would fair much against Vader. Vader is a Jedi killer and killed a lot of Jedis as a robot.

Kylo’s force powers seem impressive but I believe Vader’s use of the force is way stronger. Pain is just anger Vader and impower him.

Ben Swolo is more powerful.

[Arvaos]

Escrito originalmente por Xero_Daxter:

As a duelist I don’t think Kylo would fair much against Vader. Vader is a Jedi killer and killed a lot of Jedis as a robot.

Kylo’s force powers seem impressive but I believe Vader’s use of the force is way stronger. Pain will just anger Vader and impower him.

You forget that Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren fought the Jedi and razed the Jedi Temple before he left.

Knights of Ren victory
Ben Solo and the Knights of Ren[5] destroy the new generation of Jedi being trained by Luke Skywalker