Your opinion on vegan and vegetarian diets?

[Oliver #MAGA]

Over the years, there has been many reasons brought up as to why one should take up a vegan or a vegetarian diet, and many have different reasons as to why they chose to do so. What do you personally think about vegetarian diets as well as vegan diets and their impact on both themselves and the world? Since they are quite different, I'd find it more reasonable to present seperate opinions on both.

If you are a vegan or a vegetarian, how did you come to decide on becoming one, and what changes has it brought to your life? How long have you followed this diet, and how is it going for you?

Feel free to discuss that on this thread.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Plaid:

The meat eaters are starting to sound like PETA now.
"Plant murder!" "Eat cows! Save the brocolli!"

Carrot juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime).

[Not Big Surprise]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Not Big Surprise:

Language is a social construct, it's something society consented to have. The meaning of words and expressions can and does change through time, and this is the case for the expression "third world". It meant unaligned countries, but since most of them were developing, tve expression persisted as another way to say developing countries. So next time you rely on red herring, at least do it right. It's not outdated, it's not faulty, shut your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mouth up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

"In the decade since the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War in 1991, the term Third World was used interchangeably with developing countries, but the concept has become outdated as it no longer represents the current political or economic state of the world."

And it's fallen out of use. Or do you think it's still 2001?

You clearly never took a linguistics class, and the author of that article clearly only considers formal debates and not internet content, because I see the word used A LOT.
I'm not offended by its usage, no need to feel offended for me, because that defeats its own purpose. Now let's stop this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight created by the red herring fallacy.

[Not Big Surprise]

Publicado originalmente por Plaid:

The meat eaters are starting to sound like PETA now.
"Plant murder!" "Eat cows! Save the brocolli!"

Have you ever considered this could be just us mocking you? Maybe we're tired of your bs and want you to have a taste of it by showing your nonsense in a perspective where you can understand why we are tired of it?

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Not Big Surprise:

You clearly never took a linguistics class, and the author of that article clearly only considers formal debates and not internet content, because I see the word used A LOT.
I'm not offended by its usage, no need to feel offended for me, because that defeats its own purpose. Now let's stop this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight created by the red herring fallacy.

For someone going on about fallacies, you seem to want to use faulty appeals to the masses through anecdotal evidence and emotional argumentation a lot.

[crgzero]

As long as you're healthy, eat what you want.

Most folks only regurgitate propaganda about this subject and really don't know what they're talking about so if you want a vegan etc life style, jump on.

Me myself, since my hearts gone a little wonky I've cut out damn near all meat except for chicken and even that is in small quantities. My daughter would have me eating only fish except I'm deathly allergic to shellfish and what I buy at the store can't be gaurenteed to not be processed along side shellfish.

Since I've dropped 10 lbs (190 now) my daughter let me have some Calizone over the weekend. Probably gained it all back lol. She's a slave driver on this getting healthy thing.

A good tip though, Red beans and rice make a "whole" protein when cooked together. It's good to have.

[Not Big Surprise]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Not Big Surprise:

You clearly never took a linguistics class, and the author of that article clearly only considers formal debates and not internet content, because I see the word used A LOT.
I'm not offended by its usage, no need to feel offended for me, because that defeats its own purpose. Now let's stop this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight created by the red herring fallacy.

For someone going on about fallacies, you seem to want to use faulty appeals to the masses through anecdotal evidence and emotional argumentation a lot.

That's only a fallacy when talking about objective topics. Language is subjective and varies through time. And yes, that means you can decide your own conceptions about it, but they're still YOURS, not SOCIETY'S, so don't get so whiny when nobody agrees with you.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Not Big Surprise:

That's only a fallacy when talking about objective topics. Language is subjective and varies through time. And yes, that means you can decide your own conceptions about it, but they're still YOURS, not SOCIETY'S, so don't get so whiny when nobody agrees with you.

More appeals to emotion. Your argumentation and applied logic certainly needs some work, dude. You're trying to pass off your belief as fact and anecdotal evidence just isn't up to snuff.

Besides, even in normal, casual conversations and discussions, you always define your terms so that people understand one another. If you're using something that is in conflict with how it has developed further past your own understanding, as the terms "third word" and "developing countries" have in your case, define those terms. Insulting people and telling them to shut up only devalues your position further.

It's funny that your own argument of language varying through time upends your own belief. Third world being interchangeable with developing countries is outdated. The world moved on from that conception.

[Mr. Midori]

#PlantLivesMatter

[Not Big Surprise]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Not Big Surprise:

That's only a fallacy when talking about objective topics. Language is subjective and varies through time. And yes, that means you can decide your own conceptions about it, but they're still YOURS, not SOCIETY'S, so don't get so whiny when nobody agrees with you.

More appeals to emotion. Your argumentation and applied logic certainly needs some work, dude. You're trying to pass off your belief as fact and anecdotal evidence just isn't up to snuff.

Besides, even in normal, casual conversations and discussions, you always define your terms so that people understand one another. If you're using something that is in conflict with how it has developed further past your own understanding, as the terms "third word" and "developing countries" have in your case, define those terms. Insulting people and telling them to shut up only devalues your position further.

It's funny that your own argument of language varying through time upends your own belief. Third world being interchangeable with developing countries is outdated. The world moved on from that conception.

...
Does anyone here tell other people what they mean by every word they say?

Saying "shut up" is not ok if that's the only thing you say, but I provided other points.

And again, third world country is used almost daily, but this is the first time I hear "developing countries" outside a formal context. And there's a difference between everyday use and formal use. You don't need 11 PHDs in linguistics to know language varies depending on the context. The concept is brinda dropped in formal use, but you can ask anyone in a forum what "third world country" means, and chances are they will say "developing counties".


Before you say I didn't address anything, you never address that this whole discussion is beside the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ point.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Not Big Surprise:

Does anyone here tell other people what they mean by every word they say?

When the terms are called into question, yes.

Saying "shut up" is not ok if that's the only thing you say, but I provided other points.

Doesn't matter. It's like anything you say before going into a "but", the preceding clause is usually just BS.

And again, third world country is used almost daily, but this is the first time I hear "developing countries" outside a formal context.

You're not everyone, mate. You're again presenting anecdotal evidence that isn't supported by, well, anything.

And there's a difference between everyday use and formal use. You don't need 11 PHDs in linguistics to know language varies depending on the context. The concept is brinda dropped in formal use, but you can ask anyone in a forum what "third world country" means, and chances are they will say "developing counties".

Another fallacy. Appealing even to a hypothetical masses again.

Although it is still very funny that you keep going back to "language varies depending on the context" and "language changes over time" as the backbone of your argument. It still misses that time has moved on and the concept and usage of third world has changed. Keep up with the times, man.

[White Knight]

Publicado originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:

...I argue there is no such implication, so you can discard it and the objection....So I tend to take this kind of statement with a grain of salt...I'd say such an assessment just doesn't enter the equation at all...

Yes, I'm not surprised that you find it as easy to dismiss and minimize all of my arguments, as I do those of the vegans I have met. I've been speaking of my own life experiences and will not apologise for the fact that I am not all-knowing, or an expert in the field of "what each vegan believes". All I know is what I know, I'm afraid you will simply have to accept that my knowlege is limited...exactly like everyone else.

I'm willing to take you at your word and make room for vegans who are content to live and let live.

That's pretty generous, from where I'm sitting.

For the last time, good for you.

[Angel]

I would say vegan and vegetarian can lack certain elements such as iron i.e. you need to eat a lot of specific vegetables compared to a lower portion of meat, it's just more difficult (or the alternative is concentrated iron supplements.) Vegan and vegetarian to me isn't a balanced diet, this coming from a medical perspective. Animal protein is complete whereas vegetables are not as they lack some parts of amino acids that bodies need.

Personally I have friends that are vegan and vegetarian and we've had no complaints with each other. We did have a funny debate which was:

When organising a party or lunch, etc carnivores would have vegetarian/vegan dishes for guests that they know are taking that diet. BUT vegan/vegetarians don't usually cater for carnivores by providing meats. Why?

[White Knight]

Publicado originalmente por Angel:

...Vegan and vegetarian to me isn't a balanced diet, this coming from a medical perspective. Animal protein is complete whereas vegetables are not as they lack some parts of amino acids that bodies need.

I had a professor who was convincing in her arguments about how it was possible to balance proteins with a vegetarian diet. In all honesty, it was seriously convoluted and sounded like alchemy to my meat-luvin' ears, but it is possible, from what I understand. It's just so complicated that 99% of the diet fanatics out there, could never comprehend the process, let alone work into their daily routines.

[36564176]

do it if you want, keto is the ultimate diet for humans anyways, and i do it with meat.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Publicado originalmente por White Knight:

Yes, I'm not surprised that you find it as easy to dismiss and minimize all of my arguments, as I do those of the vegans I have met. I've been speaking of my own life experiences and will not apologise for the fact that I am not all-knowing, or an expert in the field of "what each vegan believes". All I know is what I know, I'm afraid you will simply have to accept that my knowlege is limited...exactly like everyone else.

Uh, I do. I'm not criticising you for lacking complete knowledge - that's not a fault. I'm criticising you for the way you acted, for letting yourself convince yourself that your personal experience did represent complete knowledge, and going ahead and calling the entire concept of dietary choices based on harm minimisation "absurd", mocking it as people believing they're from another planet etc. If all you had done was speak of your own experiences, that would have been fine, but you didn't. If you truly believe in "live and let live", you should be working to rid yourself of this ingrained reflexive denigration of entirely harmless choices that just happen to differ from your own.

Publicado originalmente por Angel:

Vegan and vegetarian to me isn't a balanced diet, this coming from a medical perspective. Animal protein is complete whereas vegetables are not as they lack some parts of amino acids that bodies need.

This isn't true (well, I mean it's true of individual plants, but it's not true of a plant-based diet as a whole). Of the amino acids your body needs, there are some "non-essential" ones that your body can synthesise itself out of basically anything, and some "essential" ones that it can't synthesise and so need to be consumed. There are vegan foods containing all the essential amino acids. Animal protein does make it easier to get all the essentials, absolutely, but the whole concept of "a balanced diet" is that you don't need everything contained in one food.

Publicado originalmente por Angel:

When organising a party or lunch, etc carnivores would have vegetarian/vegan dishes for guests that they know are taking that diet. BUT vegan/vegetarians don't usually cater for carnivores by providing meats. Why?

Because they aren't carnivores, they're omnivores. Being a carnivorous human would be pretty unhealthy.