Oliver #MAGA 2019 年 1 月 20 日 上午 10:34
Your opinion on vegan and vegetarian diets?
Over the years, there has been many reasons brought up as to why one should take up a vegan or a vegetarian diet, and many have different reasons as to why they chose to do so. What do you personally think about vegetarian diets as well as vegan diets and their impact on both themselves and the world? Since they are quite different, I'd find it more reasonable to present seperate opinions on both.

If you are a vegan or a vegetarian, how did you come to decide on becoming one, and what changes has it brought to your life? How long have you followed this diet, and how is it going for you?

Feel free to discuss that on this thread.
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Xero_Daxter 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:26 
I have nothing against vegans.... I truly don't. Eat whatever you want but leave me out of this.
🜂∴🜏 Cassie 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:27 
引用自 Xero_Daxter
I have nothing against vegans.... I truly don't. Eat whatever you want but leave me out of this.
That’s pretty much my stance.

They can eat all the veggie burgers that they want, but if they give me crap for eating meat, I will slap them with a raw steak.
aG| Wardog 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:28 
引用自 Wardog
Meh, I don’t care what diet you stick to. My problem comes from how many vegans act like they’re somehow superior to peoples who eat meat and animal products.

As long as the animals I’m eating were killed humanely, I’m not fussed. We’ve been eating meat since the dawn of time, more or less, and it’s not like humanity has had any negative impacts because of it.

I got invited to a bbq last year, I declined to go because they was cooking meat obviously, I got called weird and awkward.

so meat eaters can be equally as rude to vegans. Just look at all the complaints over here when a bakery chain introduced a vegan sausage roll. All the meat eaters were acting like it was replacing the normal meat one which it wasnt. some vegans do act dumb I can admit but there is also a lot of selfish meat eaters out there.
Oh absolutely. I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t the case, I usually see more vegans being ♥♥♥♥♥ about it, though that’d be natural since I’m not a vegan myself.
White Knight 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:29 
引用自 Not Big Surprise
I don't care if you're seen as bad in this forum, your standpoint on this is right and very agreeable. I don't know about the rebirth part, and a few others, but the main idea is good.

Thanks, but my comment in this thread is just as opinionated and offensive to vegans, as anything else I write. The difference is that they don't feel the need to gather their friends to swarm the thread, and congratulate themselves.

I've heard from people who appreciate what I have to say, and I've heard from others who wish I was dead. The opinions of a few trolls and those desperate for their approval, don't count for much. If I'm considered "bad in this forum" by the very people most likely to have (banned) next to their usernames...again, then I consider that something to be proud of.

Stepping up, speaking out, and doing the right thing has never been an effective way to win popularity contests.
pants 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:30 
Always found it weird. Humans were meant to eat both meat and veggies, I don't understand why you would miss out on either one of them.
actually I think you'll find that [discredited and stupid chart from an idiot ostracised by the entire scientific and human community containing amazing facts that are only facts if you willingly and deliberately misconstrue and misunderstand literally everything.jpg]
Not Big Surprise 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:34 
引用自 White Knight
引用自 Not Big Surprise
I don't care if you're seen as bad in this forum, your standpoint on this is right and very agreeable. I don't know about the rebirth part, and a few others, but the main idea is good.

Thanks, but my comment in this thread is just as opinionated and offensive to vegans, as anything else I write. The difference is that they don't feel the need to gather their friends to swarm the thread, and congratulate themselves.

I've heard from people who appreciate what I have to say, and I've heard from others who wish I was dead. The opinions of a few trolls and those desperate for their approval, don't count for much. If I'm considered "bad in this forum" by the very people most likely to have (banned) next to their usernames...again, then I consider that something to be proud of.

Stepping up, speaking out, and doing the right thing has never been an effective way to win popularity contests.
Don't get too comfy though, I still read your posts with skepticism in mind.
Carlos Chircop 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:40 
What's your fav fruit and veg guys?
White Knight 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:46 
引用自 Not Big Surprise
...I still read your posts with skepticism in mind.

Good. As should we all. I wish more people could learn to do the same.
Galactic Yoshi 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:46 
引用自 CARLOS
What's your fav fruit and veg guys?
Steak and cheese
pants 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 2:48 
引用自 CARLOS
What's your fav fruit and veg guys?
oranges and parsnips
psychotron666 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 3:41 
引用自 tmwfte
引用自 psychotron666
There are millions of children who've gone blind because all they eat in third world countries is rice because it lacks vitamin a

The more you post stuff like this, the more it looks like you're deliberately talking out of your butt in order to flame and get the thread shut down.

Vitamin A deficiency, go look it up. Results in going blind, or in worst case, death.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_A_deficiency

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice

It is intended to produce a fortified food to be grown and consumed in areas with a shortage of dietary vitamin A,[2] a deficiency which each year is estimated to kill 670,000 children under the age of 5[3] and cause an additional 500,000 cases of irreversible childhood blindness.[4] Rice is a staple food crop for over half of the world's population, making up 30–72% of the energy intake for people in Asian countries, making it an excellent crop for targeting vitamin deficiencies.[5]

What part of my post was pulled out of my ass ?
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Gus the Crocodile 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 4:00 
引用自 White Knight
Veganism is simply absurd. I get the impression these folks believe they came from other planets or something? Every species on our wonderfully diverse planet is a part of the cycle of life, death and rebirth. Attempting to elevate myself above that seems quite foolish.

We can do better, we can feed the hungry, and an all-meat diet would be as pointless as a non-meat one, in the mind of this omnivore. The last time I had a conversation with vegans, I found myself having to explain why human beings have inscisors, canines and molars?
I can assure you I'm well aware that I'm from earth and understand evolution. I just also know that evolutionary physical traits don't define what behaviours I must express. And I understand that my veganism is enabled by a position of privilege in the world; my choices are just my choices, they are not a condemnation of other people.

If you truly pride yourself on "stepping up, speaking out, and doing the right thing", then may I suggest that tarring all vegans with the brush of your experiences with a few individuals is not consistent with that goal (indeed, it's pretty much the opposite on all three counts).

I don't agree with your bit about "elevating myself above the cycle of life, death, and rebirth". As a vegan I eat living things, like everyone else. I'm very much a part of that cycle.

Always found it weird. Humans were meant to eat both meat and veggies, I don't understand why you would miss out on either one of them.
As someone who doesn't believe in a higher power, I don't think humans are "meant" to do anything in particular. We get to choose who we are and what we do.

引用自 Xero_Daxter
Morality aside should people limit themselves to what they eat when there are people starving in the world? Before we talk about being vegans we need to focus on world hunger. After that then maybe we can focus on being vegans and not eat meat.
This makes no sense at all. There are billions of people in the world; we're collectively capable of considering and addressing more than one concern at a time. Yes, world hunger is arguably (though of course not objectively) a more serious global problem than whether or not to drink dairy milk. But it's also a more serious problem than declining standards in mathematics education in particular countries, or politicians using travel expenses inappropriately, or internet dropouts, or videogame bugs, but weirdly, when those problems are brought up, nobody comes out with this "we need to focus on world hunger first" stuff. It's almost like it's not actually about thinking world hunger is a vital concern that needs to be prioritised ahead of other discussion, but just wanting a rhetorical blunt object with which to attack particular causes.
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pants 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 4:13 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
引用自 White Knight
Veganism is simply absurd. I get the impression these folks believe they came from other planets or something? Every species on our wonderfully diverse planet is a part of the cycle of life, death and rebirth. Attempting to elevate myself above that seems quite foolish.

We can do better, we can feed the hungry, and an all-meat diet would be as pointless as a non-meat one, in the mind of this omnivore. The last time I had a conversation with vegans, I found myself having to explain why human beings have inscisors, canines and molars?
I can assure you I'm well aware that I'm from earth and understand evolution. I just also know that evolutionary physical traits don't define what behaviours I must express. And I understand that my veganism is enabled by a position of privilege in the world; my choices are just my choices, they are not a condemnation of other people.

If you truly pride yourself on "stepping up, speaking out, and doing the right thing", then may I suggest that tarring all vegans with the brush of your experiences with a few individuals is not consistent with that goal (indeed, it's pretty much the opposite on all three counts).

I don't agree with your bit about "elevating myself above the cycle of life, death, and rebirth". As a vegan I eat living things, like everyone else. I'm very much a part of that cycle.

Always found it weird. Humans were meant to eat both meat and veggies, I don't understand why you would miss out on either one of them.
As someone who doesn't believe in a higher power, I don't think humans are "meant" to do anything in particular. We get to choose who we are and what we do.

引用自 Xero_Daxter
Morality aside should people limit themselves to what they eat when there are people starving in the world? Before we talk about being vegans we need to focus on world hunger. After that then maybe we can focus on being vegans and not eat meat.
This makes no sense at all. There are billions of people in the world; we're collectively capable of considering and addressing more than one concern at a time. Yes, world hunger is arguably (though of course not objectively) a more serious global problem than whether or not to drink dairy milk. But it's also a more serious problem than declining standards in mathematics education in particular countries, or politicians using travel expenses inappropriately, or internet dropouts, or videogame bugs, but weirdly, when those problems are brought up, nobody comes out with this "we need to focus on world hunger first" stuff. It's almost like it's not actually about thinking world hunger is a vital concern that needs to be prioritised ahead of other discussion, but just wanting a rhetorical blunt object with which to attack particular causes.

you made a good post so i must thank you for it
tmwfte 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 4:17 
引用自 psychotron666
What part of my post was pulled out of my ass ?

You keep using "third world countries" in an inaccurate way that repeatedly shows your ethnocentric viewpoint.
White Knight 2019 年 1 月 20 日 下午 4:41 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
...I understand that my veganism is enabled by a position of privilege in the world; my choices are just my choices, they are not a condemnation of other people.

Your choices are indeed your own. I have known quite a few vegans over the past thiry years or so, and you would be the very first one that wasn't preoccupied with "condemnation of other people". I'm sure I don't need to point out that I am not the first person to have noticed this tendency. Live and let live sounds like a fine policy to me.

引用自 Gus the Crocodile
I don't agree with your bit about "elevating myself above the cycle of life, death, and rebirth". As a vegan I eat living things, like everyone else. I'm very much a part of that cycle.

Again, this isn't about you personally, but rather a comment about the familiar arguments I have heard from many others, over the years.

You see, I don't believe in a "hierarchy of life", where humans are better than animals, who are better than plants, etc. Instead, I value and respect life itself... in all its forms. "Murdering" plants is no different than "murdering" animals, in my mind. It is what we do as human beings, to sustain ourselves. Doing that more responsibly is something all countries could benefit from.

Someone else asked about "the cycle of life, death, and rebirth" but I didn't feel like explaining it. Since you and I have both quoted it since then, maybe I'll take a moment for that now.

Consider an apple seed (as one example). An animal or a bird eats it and craps it out somewhere in the forest. It sprouts and grows into a sappling, which grows into a tree that bears fruit. That fruit ripens and falls to the ground. The animals and insects in the forest eat the fruit. Some of that fruit dies and rots, adding its nutrients to the soil. More trees grow. The apple tree dies, falls over, and rots...etc.
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