Steam or gog

[Lemale]

Hi So if a game gets released on both platforms where do you prefer to buy it?Are you even care about drm free games?I use gog for one week now and bought some games there and everything works fine.Steam is awesome too but i really care about the drm stuff to be honest,but i like them both

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

You didn't read everything I wrote huh? *cough* offline backup copies *cough* Yes you can lose access on your account, and some games on GoG do have DRM, but for the ones that don't if you have a downloaded copy they ain't taking it away.

You're now advocating piracy.

[Orbital Føroysk 🪐]

Steam. I only use GOG for the old games like Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom, Settlers, SWAT 4 etc.

[Murph]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

You didn't read everything I wrote huh? *cough* offline backup copies *cough* Yes you can lose access on your account, and some games on GoG do have DRM, but for the ones that don't if you have a downloaded copy they ain't taking it away.

You're now advocating piracy.

Once again the didn't read what I originally wrote huh? *cough* (of course you'd get in trouble for selling copies of it, thats for any plagiarism, but even before internet piracy people were selling bootleg copies of things from the back of vans.) *cough*

And owning a product and being able to make backup copies of it is not piracy, distributing it is.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

Once again the didn't read what I originally wrote huh? *cough* (of course you'd get in trouble for selling copies of it, thats for any plagiarism, but even before internet piracy people were selling bootleg copies of things from the back of vans.) *cough*

And owning a product and being able to make backup copies of it is not piracy, distributing it is.

For someone who claims others aren't reading everything written, you seem to have missed something very important:

Your license has been revoked by the publisher.

Enforcing that is easier with a service like Steam, but it is still enforcable through other means. Still possessing a copy of the software when your license has been revoked is illegal. And therefore, it doesn't matter when you downloaded it, when you purchased it, etc., if you still possess it and your license has been revoked, you are committing piracy.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

DRM free games. but license would affect modifying game etc or stealing from it, now why would my license be revoked, if I lost my GoG account which is not required to play my games bought from GoG? lol, no piracy, now piracy would void your license but it is legal to make backup copies (at least in my country) as I said distrubuting is piracy.

You don't seem to grok that it has nothing to do with access to GOG. It has everything to do with the publisher deciding to revoke the license.

It doesn't matter why your license is revoked. It could be for illegal distribution, it could be for illegally modifying the game, it could be because the publisher decided you were a chud that wears purple and the court that day decided to agree with it, whatever it is the publisher has deemed that you've broken the terms of the license and revoked it. It takes a lot more steps with a DRM free game to enforce it, court filings, cease and desist letters, etc. but once your license has been revoked you are no longer legally entitled to use of the software and possession of the files. If you maintain use and possession of those files after such time as the license has been revoked, you are using the software illegally, and committing piracy. It is not limited to distributing to others illegally.

[Murph]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por AbedsBrother:

GOG, even if Steam is cheaper. It's nice to actually own stuff.

Here comes the anti-GOG crowd: "You don't actually own it on GOG either!"
GOG offline installers do not perform an online check before installing a game, so yes, I do actually own it.

Try to sell it, dude. Try to utilize the code for your own purposes. Try to create a new game based off of the property.

You own diddly. You still only hold a license to the content.

As I originally said you are not buying the IP (Meaning you can't resell or use its assets etc) you are buying a game to play.

Honestly you've just misunderstood this whole thread its about GoG vs steam and if we care about DRM free or not, steam requires your account to play your games, this is a form of DRM, GoG does not have this requirement, and in no way does using a game you bought legally offline and making backup copies for personal use incase a storm fries your PC or etc violate a license, Even if you lost your account you originally bought it on.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

Honestly you've just misunderstood this whole thread

Again, for someone who's going on about people not reading what they've written, you've obviously not read the post I was initially responded to, and are trying to shift those goalposts. HINT: It was about game ownership.

You're also setting up strawman arguments in regards to backup copies to entirely obfuscate what's actually being said.

You don't own games, you hold licenses. Doesn't matter if it's on Steam, or on GOG.

[Murph]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

Honestly you've just misunderstood this whole thread

Again, for someone who's going on about people not reading what they've written, you've obviously not read the post I was initially responded to, and are trying to shift those goalposts. HINT: It was about game ownership.

You're also setting up strawman arguments in regards to backup copies to entirely obfuscate what's actually being said.

You don't own games, you hold licenses. Doesn't matter if it's on Steam, or on GOG.

Edit: lol I included my writing in the quote by accident XD fixed it now

Your confused on ownership, as I said your not buying the IP, you buying to play or use, you can't buy a car and copy it exactly and sell it can you? Games are no different. I have old games on disc they have licenses that say I can make backup copies, also the usual don't copy, hack, steal etc, in other words plagiarism. You own the DRM free game as long as you don't break the rules, so no I own the games :P

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

Your confused on ownership

Not even a little bit. You hold a license. You don't own it.

Also, you can buy a car and then re-sell that same car. You can transfer the title to it. You can't re-sell the games you've bought from GOG. You can't transfer the license.

[Murph]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

Your confused on ownership

Not even a little bit. You hold a license. You don't own it.

Also, you can buy a car and then re-sell that same car. You can transfer the title to it. You can't re-sell the games you've bought from GOG. You can't transfer the license.

eh most games I buy on GOG are old most people wouldn't want to buy them anyway. You do have a point on the individual resell part but how you were talking earlier about selling or reusing code had to do with the IP, But the law kinda makes sense on digital goods because they are copied so easily so I still consider it ownership mainly cause the law makes sense, but if PC still sold actual physical copies like Console we could still sell them.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

eh most games I buy on GOG are old most people wouldn't want to buy them anyway. You do have a point on the individual resell part but how you were talking earlier about selling or reusing code had to do with the IP, But the law kinda makes sense on digital goods because they are copied so easily so I still consider it ownsership mainly cause the law makes sense, but if PC still sold actual physical copies like Console we could still sell them.

Selling and reusing code has to do with more than just the IP and goes right to heart of ownership. If you own something outright, you have right to do whatever you like with it. This isn't the case with games. You only hold a license to access the content in ways outlined by that license.

And in regards to physical media, you're actually selling the cartridge or disc, not what's on it. It's one of the reasons why many developers started including codes for online content or specific DLC, even on consoles, thus essentially rendering the value of the disc negligible and requiring people to buy a new online code/DLC pack (such as the early Cerebus network codes for Mass Effect 2).

[Lemale]

You can play the games on gog forever if you make a backup but you can’t do this with steam games.If steam goes down all your games are lost....but you never own a game even if you buy them physically end of story^^

[Nimlord]

Publicado originalmente por Connoisseur of Tanqueray:

Steam. I like only having one client installed.

[tmwfte]

Publicado originalmente por Christoph:

You can play the games on gog forever if you make a backup but you can’t do this with steam games.If steam goes down all your games are lost....but you never own a game even if you buy them physically end of story^^

Not quite all of them. There are a number of games that don't make a call to Steam or require the client to be running in order to be accessed. https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

[Murph]

Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:

Publicado originalmente por Murph:

eh most games I buy on GOG are old most people wouldn't want to buy them anyway. You do have a point on the individual resell part but how you were talking earlier about selling or reusing code had to do with the IP, But the law kinda makes sense on digital goods because they are copied so easily so I still consider it ownsership mainly cause the law makes sense, but if PC still sold actual physical copies like Console we could still sell them.

Selling and reusing code has to do with more than just the IP and goes right to heart of ownership. If you own something outright, you have right to do whatever you like with it. This isn't the case with games. You only hold a license to access the content in ways outlined by that license.

Yes if I buy a painting I should get to copy it and resell it with my name under it hehe. Call it an original Murph. This isn't the case with games it's the case with everything. Now plagarism is bad Mmkay, but alot of old games have lots of mods and etc available so I'm not certain how much your not allowed to do with a game actually, guess it depends on the individual developer or publisher, only times I remember seeing anything about a dev or pub getting mad at a modder was when they posted actual game code, or made it easy to cheat, but I do think its perfectly acceptable to cheat in a single player only game.