Thoughts on MGTOW? (Men Going Their Own Way)

[Toast]

As described: "MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way - is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: "No". Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a man is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn't."

Some think it's the only hope for men in a deeply feminized society. What are your thoughts?

[Radene]

引用自 CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar：

引用自 Radene：

Women can easily say the same thing of men. It's as easy as...well....saying it.

What I mean is if a man sleeps with 500 women he isn't seen as vulgur. If a woman sleeps with the same number she is.

That depends entirely on whoever is doing the "seeing". And many women would consider such a man to not be someone capable of commitment or empathy.

[CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar]

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

引用自 CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar：

And why can't women say the same thing of men? Many men celebrate their sexual conquests and are not branded as ♥♥♥♥♥♥/prostitutes or worse.

Well, they can. I don't know where you are from, but here in my little part of Germany, guys like that are not exactely celebrated.

Based on my observations in Brazil they are. But then again perhaps your country is more civilized.

[Arvaos]

引用自 Radene：

引用自 NX3DT：

Would you rather be with a woman that has been with five men or five hundred men?

Think of it as car mileage.

I'd prefer to be a woman who's honest with herself. Because that's gonna mean she's also going to be honest with me.

If she has been with hundreds of men, do you think she will be loyal and honest to you? It is different if she has had sex out of love for a past boyfriend.

If you want to marry a girl that has sex with strangers at bars, that's up to you.

[White Knight]

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

That is why I can't call myself a feminist. Under your description, yeah, sure, I'm a feminist. I think most people would be.

Um, yeah...hello? I would have thought so too.

In the olden days it was easy to spot the cavemen who hated feminists. Since the advent of the internet, things have changed. Now people can easily hide their biases behind anonymous comments, that try to sound reasonable.

It's also not "my" definition of feminism. It's the understanding I arrived at after reading and talking with people for the past few decades. I would never presume to try and define feminism...that would be kind of obtuse and clueless, in my mind.

I've known radical lesbians who hate men. That has little to do with "feminism". Even those angry women didn't mind me being around all that much, but they obviously would have preferred if I didn't show up. People with unreasonably harsh opinions generally don't appreciate having living and breathing examples of their own ignorance offering to make them a cup of tea.

[Radene]

引用自 NX3DT：

引用自 Radene：

I'd prefer to be a woman who's honest with herself. Because that's gonna mean she's also going to be honest with me.

If she has been with hundreds of men, do you think she will be loyal and honest to you?

Maybe. It's a long shot. But if not, well, I can always say "Sorry, lady, but this ain't working".

This trust and commitment thing goes both ways.

[CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar]

引用自 NX3DT：

引用自 Radene：

I'd prefer to be a woman who's honest with herself. Because that's gonna mean she's also going to be honest with me.

If she has been with hundreds of men, do you think she will be loyal and honest to you? It is different if she has had sex out of love for a past boyfriend.

If you want to marry a girl that has sex with strangers at bars, that's up to you.

I didn't say I would want to marry such a girl, just that there are double standards in society (that just don't make logical sense).

[FluffyBunny]

引用自 Rascal：

引用自 Scarlet Overkill：

I must say I like how much wine u got there

I got given a wine rack, i now feel obligated to put it to use....

thats the way to go.. in this...overly """feminized"" world... *sorry i cant take this topic seriously haha
but good for you tho :D

[El poco nuez del muerte]

God, it's one of those fast moving threads now, I'm out, I'm to slow and old for this extreme forum sport.

[FluffyBunny]

引用自 CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar：

引用自 NX3DT：

If she has been with hundreds of men, do you think she will be loyal and honest to you? It is different if she has had sex out of love for a past boyfriend.

If you want to marry a girl that has sex with strangers at bars, that's up to you.

I didn't say I would want to marry such a girl, just that there are double standards in society (that just don't make logical sense).

Why would it matter if a girl would have fcked a lot of guys.. or a guy had fcked a lot of girls.. when two people meet eachother and feel the connection and that they are right for eachother then u gotta let go of the past... no? besides - I actually feel good if a guy has slept around, at leasy he has run off his "horns" lol, and knows what he wants and can settle down and not feel that he is "missing something" or that he hasnt experienced something that he would like to

[CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar]

引用自 Fall'n holes：

I hate bait threads. OP's only made two posts. Private account. Hasn't replied once.

Yeah, this thread will eventually be locked. My wise 8-Ball crystal ball said so.

[White Knight]

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

God, it's one of those fast moving threads now, I'm out, I'm to slow and old for this extreme forum sport.

So take your time and choose your words carefully. Just ignore the blithering tirades of white noise swirling about you...that's what I try to do.

[Radene]

引用自 Scarlet Overkill：

when two people meet eachother and feel the connection and that they are right for eachother then u gotta let go of the past... no?

No. I'm afraid that's impossible. You can accept it, work it into the relationship, or ignore it (not recommended), but you can't really pretend it didn't happen.

[Incarnate]

If you actually want to go your own way or defy society's conventions, do it. That's what people have been doing for millennia. But any self-respecting person shouldn't need a Facebook group or a club membership to brag about how independent and free-thinking they are. That's just narcissistic, and other than liberals looking for clickbait on Huffington Post or some other awful website, no one cares. **How is this any different than those Tumblr groups where edgy teens talk about being a misunderstood cat-spirit?**

[Toast]

引用自 Incarnate：

If you actually want to go your own way or defy society's conventions, do it. That's what people have been doing for millennia. But any self-respecting person shouldn't need a Facebook group or a club membership to brag about how independent and free-thinking they are. That's just narcissistic, and other than liberals looking for clickbait on Huffington Post or some other awful website, no one cares. **How is this any different than those Tumblr groups where edgy teens talk about being a misunderstood cat-spirit?**

It's not a group or a club. That goes against the nature of the philosophy "Men, going their OWN way". It's a way of life.

[Radene]

引用自 Incarnate：

If you actually want to go your own way or defy society's conventions, do it. That's what people have been doing for millennia. But any self-respecting person shouldn't need a Facebook group or a club membership to brag about how independent and free-thinking they are. That's just narcissistic, and other than liberals looking for clickbait on Huffington Post or some other awful website, no one cares. **How is this any different than those Tumblr groups where edgy teens talk about being a misunderstood cat-spirit?**

It't not "narcissistic", it's actually "completely defeating the point".

Tho I don't see what it has to do with "liberals". Could also be conservatives or reactionaries.