Thoughts on MGTOW? (Men Going Their Own Way)

[Toast]

As described: "MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way - is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: "No". Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a man is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn't."

Some think it's the only hope for men in a deeply feminized society. What are your thoughts?

[secuda]

When i think about it it sound more and more something like Al bundy had in his garage lol.

[White Knight]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 NX3DT：

Not with multiple boyfriends at once.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having sex with multiple people at once - for any of the multiple interpretations of “at once”. As long as it’s the activity of consenting adults, and they’re not hurting anyone, it’s nobody else’s business. You speak about the standard of someone that is moral and decent; to me, this kind of weird interest in, and policing of, other people’s sex lives is a disqualifier from that category.

If there was a prize for a perfect post, I'd nominate you for this one!

[Arvaos]

引用自 Danksama：

引用自 NX3DT：

Nice try using shame tactics, many men part of MGTOW have had relationships and been married before.

The type of shaming tactics that you employ are partly why many men are no longer dating women and who is to say that they have to date a woman to have sex? There are many men that visit female escorts and they have done since the start of time as it is the oldest profession known to man.

Yeah but I think it would be disingenuous to deny that there is a notable degree of overlap between MGTOW, incels and 'redpill' advocates

Do men belittle women if they are not as experienced at sex though? No, they do not which shows that it is a shaming tactic that they employ to make men feel like they have to be a servant of the plantation.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 NX3DT：

If you want a girlfriend that sleeps with hundreds of men, that's up to you. Bigamy or having multiple marriages is a crime where I am from which is England, I don't know what type of relationships you have there but it isn't what would be considered decent.

Don't project it on other people though, many people are still monogamous and value people that are loyal.

Please stop trying to make this into a personal comment about “what I want”. We are not talking about me. This won’t be news to anyone else, but I am not the centre of everyone else’s sex lives; I’m literally irrelevant to the discussion. And I am not in any way against monogamy, so keep your, uh, advice about projection to yourself.

Anyone can see that my objection had nothing to do with bigamy (or indeed, marriage at all). I objected to the idea that having multiple sexual partners is some kind of moral failing. Bigamy had nothing to do with it. Don’t hurt your back moving those goalposts so often.

[Danksama]

引用自 NX3DT：

引用自 Danksama：

Yeah but I think it would be disingenuous to deny that there is a notable degree of overlap between MGTOW, incels and 'redpill' advocates

Do men belittle women if they are not as experienced at sex though? No, they do not which shows that it is a shaming tactic that they employ to make men feel like they have to be a servant of the plantation.

Even taking that as true, that doesn't negate the negative association and influence between MGTOW, incels and 'redpillers'

[Dominic]

引用自 secuda：

When i think about it it sound more and more something like Al bundy had in his garage lol.

That Al Bundy he was a mans man. Kind of like Gaston from The Beauty And The Beast.

[Arvaos]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 NX3DT：

If you want a girlfriend that sleeps with hundreds of men, that's up to you. Bigamy or having multiple marriages is a crime where I am from which is England, I don't know what type of relationships you have there but it isn't what would be considered decent.

Don't project it on other people though, many people are still monogamous and value people that are loyal.

Please stop trying to make this into a personal comment about “what I want”. We are not talking about me. This won’t be news to anyone else, but I am not the centre of everyone else’s sex lives; I’m literally irrelevant to the discussion. And I am not in any way against monogamy, so keep your, uh, advice about projection to yourself.

Anyone can see that my objection had nothing to do with bigamy (or indeed, marriage at all). I objected to the idea that having multiple sexual partners is some kind of moral failing. Bigamy had nothing to do with it. Don’t hurt your back moving those goalposts so often.

You represent polyamory, I do not. You pride yourself on being right here while I simply state that I represent and respect monogamy but if you want to be a toy for a promiscuous, go ahead. While you are complaining when she is with her other partner, I will be training.

If you don't want your partner or friends to be accountable to a moral standard, that's up to you but my brothers like Calista will watch out for me as I do for them. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that though since you do not even expect your partners to be monogamous.

[Cleverhardy (She/Her)]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 NX3DT：

If you want a girlfriend that sleeps with hundreds of men, that's up to you. Bigamy or having multiple marriages is a crime where I am from which is England, I don't know what type of relationships you have there but it isn't what would be considered decent.

Don't project it on other people though, many people are still monogamous and value people that are loyal.

Please stop trying to make this into a personal comment about “what I want”. We are not talking about me. This won’t be news to anyone else, but I am not the centre of everyone else’s sex lives; I’m literally irrelevant to the discussion. And I am not in any way against monogamy, so keep your, uh, advice about projection to yourself.

Anyone can see that my objection had nothing to do with bigamy (or indeed, marriage at all). I objected to the idea that having multiple sexual partners is some kind of moral failing. Bigamy had nothing to do with it. Don’t hurt your back moving those goalposts so often.

If we're talking about multiple women, I know it is a choice. But that choice poses a lot of risks. These risks include STDs, broken hearts as a result of cheating, and you getting some incurable sex addiction.

[Danksama]

引用自 Cleverhardy (K-ON Fan)：

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

Please stop trying to make this into a personal comment about “what I want”. We are not talking about me. This won’t be news to anyone else, but I am not the centre of everyone else’s sex lives; I’m literally irrelevant to the discussion. And I am not in any way against monogamy, so keep your, uh, advice about projection to yourself.

Anyone can see that my objection had nothing to do with bigamy (or indeed, marriage at all). I objected to the idea that having multiple sexual partners is some kind of moral failing. Bigamy had nothing to do with it. Don’t hurt your back moving those goalposts so often.

sex addiction.

Sex addiction is highly debated as to whether it even exists, it's more like pseudoscience

[Cleverhardy (She/Her)]

引用自 Danksama：

引用自 Cleverhardy (K-ON Fan)：

sex addiction.

Sex addiction is highly debated as to whether it even exists, it's more like pseudoscience

True...

Still, being a player is a risky game.

[Arvaos]

引用自 Cleverhardy (K-ON Fan)：

引用自 Danksama：

Sex addiction is highly debated as to whether it even exists, it's more like pseudoscience

True...

Still, being a player is a risky game.

Yes, it can be but with regards to false allegations which is now being highlighted by the media.

There was even a man that was convicted for staring at a woman and they are even considering making it a crime talk to a woman.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/county-in-uk-makes-it-a-hate-crime-to-upset-women

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 NX3DT：

You represent polyamory, I do not. You pride yourself on being right here while I simply state that I represent and respect monogamy but if you want to be a toy for a promiscuous, go ahead. While you are complaining when she is with her other partner, I will be training.

Well into bizarre rant territory now, aren’t we. I do not “represent polyamory”. I respect people’s choices to enjoy their lives while not hurting you or anyone else in the least.

引用自 NX3DT：

If you don't want your partner or friends to be accountable to a moral standard

I hold everyone accountable to moral standards. Just not your moral standards.

引用自 NX3DT：

you do not even expect your partners to be monogamous.

Please speak for yourself; you’re not doing very well at speaking for me.

[gugnihr]

引用自 Riedy：

People are free to do whatever as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, but you can't really make a comment on society if your sense of reality is blurred by the bubble you're living in. ^^

Sometimes living in a bubble IS your comment on society, and people should have the right to live in a bubble if they want to.
I like men not women anyway, so I don't know how much my thought count, but I'm rather MGTOW myself. I don't have any reason to not to be this way.
And honestly imo "machismo" have done more damage to men themselves rather than to women.
"machismo" mindset tend to protect women much more than men. Maybe it could be true that give women less freedom... but for me protection and well being are much more important than freedom... so after all I think we men need to do something to protect ourselves more.

[Arvaos]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 NX3DT：

You represent polyamory, I do not. You pride yourself on being right here while I simply state that I represent and respect monogamy but if you want to be a toy for a promiscuous, go ahead. While you are complaining when she is with her other partner, I will be training.

Well into bizarre rant territory now, aren’t we. I do not “represent polyamory”. I respect people’s choices to enjoy their lives while not hurting you or anyone else in the least.

引用自 NX3DT：

If you don't want your partner or friends to be accountable to a moral standard

I hold everyone accountable to moral standards. Just not your moral standards.

引用自 NX3DT：

you do not even expect your partners to be monogamous.

Please speak for yourself; you’re not doing very well at speaking for me.

As I said before, bud. If you want a polyamorous relationship and you don't mind women sleeping with hundreds of men, that's up to you.

If I was sleeping with many women, I wouldn't expect a decent girl to be impressed but that's because I know many people still care about monogamy. I don't know what you are trying to prove but polyamory isn't going to become the standard for marriages or relationships because you see it as moral. The values of marriage and monogamy are still regarded by many as the principles of relationship.

[White Knight]

Grown ups can date whomever they choose, as often as they choose, and it's no one else's business.

It really is that simple.

That includes multiple partners, or none at all...and everything in-between.

Play safe and have fun.