Windows sonic for headphones

[Harkius]

To make it work, should I set stereo or 5.1/7.1 in Realtek?

[Harkius]

USB headphones use their own sound cards, they can't use motherboard's sound cards (realtek), unless you use a jack adapter in that situation I'm not sure.


Edit:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/coreaudio/images/spatialsoundsettings2.png
If you meant that check, well if you uncheck I think windows sonic / dobly atmos won't work despite being selected.

[Tesityr]

Цитата допису Harkiter:

Edit:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/coreaudio/images/spatialsoundsettings2.png
If you meant that check, well if you uncheck I think windows sonic / dobly atmos won't work despite being selected.

Actually, according to Microsoft's Official Dev Guide, the "turn on 7.1 virtual surround sound" checkbox is less for the headphone/speaker output and more for the game/mediaplayer - essentially telling the source 'I'm a 7.1 multichannel device' (virtualizing the input, when needed)
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/CoreAudio/spatial-sound
"The “Turn on 7.1 virtual surround sound” (Windows) or “Use virtual surround in apps” (Xbox) checkbox allows all existing applications that were capable of rendering to 5.1 or 7.1 channel formats to now treat headphones as a virtual 7.1 device."

However, it still does not 'directly' answer whether or not it "has to" be on/selected/checked or not...

- When you select Windows Sonic or Dolby Atmos, the checkbox is checked
- When you select Defaults, with Windows Sonic or Dolby Atmos, the checkbox is not checked

So, I would fall back on the 'Official Response I got from DOLBY' when I asked them:
"try it both on and off for your headset and see which sounds better to you"


Really, just try it both ways and use whichever sounds better to you..
[For me, some games and movies sound crazy with it turned on (center/voice is messed, too many effects, etc) and for other games and movies it sounds better with it on - so really, use it when you think it sounds better]

[Harkius]

Now I'm confused.
Perhaps if you check the 7.1 you have to select 7.1/5.1 in game and with 7.1 unchecked you have to select stereo.
That is what I wanted to know, if sonic still works with 7.1 unchecked.

The first time you select sonic from
https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/img_5b293541e99ee.png
the 7.1 is unchecked.

[Peabrain]

Цитата допису Harkiter:

Now I'm confused.
Perhaps if you check the 7.1 you have to select 7.1/5.1 in game and with 7.1 unchecked you have to select stereo.
That is what I wanted to know, if sonic still works with 7.1 unchecked.

The first time you select sonic from
https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/img_5b293541e99ee.png
the 7.1 is unchecked.

No matter what you select you need to have stereo set in game. You cant creature virtual/simulated sound from a surround sound signal. Doing so will make it sound like s*** and sounds wont be clear as to the direction they should be coming from.


If you spent a few minutes checking a toggle you'd hear it yourself. Instead of commenting and showing you still dont under stand that fact that has been told to you multiple times

[Tesityr]

Although it's been a short while, I wanted to pop back in to share "The Official Answer" that has recently been put out by Dolby Labs on the issue:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1591770582
As I posted with the image; '... this question was asked in a Steam Discussion about whether or not the checkbox for "7.1 virtual surround sound" should be selected or not. At the time, I was sending emails back and forth with Dolby Support and was getting answers of 'use whatever sounds better for your headset' - which makes sense; each model in each brand of every set of headphones has different capabilities and manufacturing limitations and can indeed sound different from the next. While helpful advice, I had submitted a Feedback Comment at their website, that said that the App did not specifically address this checkbox in Windows 10 (and whether or not it should be 'ticked'). I looked recently at the Dolby App again (near the end of 2018) and found that a diagram, showing the answer, to whether the 7.1 Surround Sound checkbox should be selected/ticked or not was now present; and wanted to share it with you all, here. (My Headset Properties, shown on Right) HTH'

Although I would still add, 'just in case', to try both ways with whatever headphones you are utilizing, to 'make sure' that you are getting what sounds the best, to YOU - as suggested by Dolby themselves. Regardless, I hope this helps clear it up a bit.

Цитата допису Tesityr:

Edit:

- When you select Windows Sonic or Dolby Atmos, the checkbox is checked
- When you select Defaults, with Windows Sonic or Dolby Atmos, the checkbox is not checked

So, I would fall back on the 'Official Response I got from DOLBY' when I asked them:
"try it both on and off for your headset and see which sounds better to you"


Really, just try it both ways and use whichever sounds better to you..
[For ME PERSONALLY, some games and movies sound crazy with it turned on (center/voice is messed, too many effects, etc) and for other games and movies it sounds better with it on TO ME - so really, use it when you think it sounds better, try both ways!] [/quote]

[Harkius]

I'm still talking with Dolby and Razer support, they told me:
Sound card's software = stereo with the equalizer disabled as it can interfere with audio virtualization;
Game = 7.1 or 5.1;
Dolby/Sonic = enabled with 7.1 virtual surround sound checked.
If you don't want to disable the equalizer you can use realtek virtual surround or buy a sound card with 7.1 virtualization or buy 7.1 USB headphones.
I still have some doubts and I'm still talking with them, I will let you know.


P.S. I found some games that don't have the surround settings on the menu but they can still send surround sound, probably they check the audio source.

[Tesityr]

Цитата допису Harkiter:

I'm still talking with Dolby and Razer support, they told me:
Sound card's software = disabled from bios as the equalizer will interfere with audio virtualization;
Game = 7.1 or 5.1;
Dolby/Sonic = enabled with 7.1 virtual surround sound checked.
If you don't want to disable the equalizer you can use realtek virtual surround or buy a sound card with 7.1 virtualization or buy 7.1 USB headphones.
I still have some doubts and I'm still talking with them, I will let you know.

P.S. I found games that don't have the option on the menu but they can still send surround sound, probably they check the audio source.

Good 'sum-up'!
I find I have to change it based on the game (Dolby/Sonic perhaps functioning differently based on the game's sound engine?).

I personally liked Razer's Surround Pro as well, which came with a Gamepad I received as a gift, as it had configurable sliders that I could change, based on the source and if I wanted more Bass/Treble..). I don't use it all the time, though.

I got a new set of headphones for Xmas from Santa last year and the "7.1 Button" on the usb cable connector (Hardware-Based Surround, as it is 'its own soundcard') works well, too - I've been using that mostly, since then - so if anyone has that on the cable that came with their headphones/headset, don't worry about purchasing extra Software for Surround! heh

Anyway, just wanted to help a bit more with what I found. GL with it,all

[Harkius]

Some games have head-related transfer function, e.g. in CSGO it's called Audio 3D, which is basically a virtual surround sound and with that you need to set the game to stereo.
With the 7.1 virtual surround you need to set the game to 7.1 or 5.1, if you set the game to stereo it will use stereo sound.
I have 5.1 speakers, if I set the game to stereo it will send stereo sound, same thing with the headphones if you use the 7.1 virtual surround you "transform" your headphones into a 7.1 device:
"The “Turn on 7.1 virtual surround sound” (Windows) or “Use virtual surround in apps” (Xbox) checkbox allows all existing applications that were capable of rendering to 5.1 or 7.1 channel formats to now treat headphones as a virtual 7.1 device".
I recommend using open headphones, they work better for spatial sound.

[GeneralAmnesie]

Цитата допису riqZ:

I have it on stereo because headphones today can't realy simulate surround sound so i would stay to stereo.

Depends on the headphones. Plantronic had models that had several small speakers distributed all over the earpiece, and they would have really good spatial resolution in surround sound.