Reddit and other forums are not toxic

[Melody]

Related to Steam Discussions.

In general, people can get your point and give relevant answers on Reddit and other forums.

I've recently tried re-posting somewhere else something I recently posted in the "Suggestions / Ideas" forum and I got a lot of relevant answers and ideas.

People caught the point of my discussion, they didn't beat around the bush and didn't accuse me of something I've never said.

Sometimes you really feel like you're doing something wrong, but I'm really glad it wasn't the case for me.

This said, I would love to see the same thing here, and that's why I have something in mind to improve the situation. People who are tired of getting toxicity and BS in the forums can add me so I can explain a little bit better. Moderators: people adding me on their own and hearing my ideas is not a crime.

Now let's give a point to this post: this thread will be about discussing about the differences between Steam Discussions and other forums like Reddit, including but not limited to:

• Are the rules of the forums good?
  
• How can the forums be improved?
  
• What are the forums failing at?
  
• Are the answers you're usually getting in your posts satisfying?

Note: this post is not about game forums

[Chuuya Nakahara]

Thing is you can't really get rid of toxic people even when you ban them. More will appear anyways.

People need to learn that you are going to get those few bad apples commenting or getting answers you don't like and consider it to be someone being "toxic". Ignore them if their answer is not what you are looking for. If you respond, it will just make things worse and you will be in an endless feud with someone over the internet you may never come across.

[Melody]

I guess it's mostly my fault whenever I try to answer to people who just want to bother, but I'm this way: I try to discuss and talk to everyone, but then I get some answers that:

• Are not related to the point of the post in any way
  
• Are specifically aimed to defame me, as in accusing me of something I've never said
  
• Are sometimes aimed to beat around the bush, aka try to talk about something that hasn't anything to do with the original post

^ and at that point I just give my final answer and unsubscribe from the discussion.
Sometimes I even answer 500.000 times repeating the same thing over and over again, and they still won't understand the point. I think they're doing that on purpose, honestly.
Then I'm pretty sure people will be "gwaa she can't discuss, she unsubscribed and left". Of course.
Anyway, if you're interested in my idea feel free to add me or check my profile. We're already building something to help some Steam users.

[SMIFFY]

You can't say anything other than the blandest comments on this forum without getting a ban.

[Violeta]

chan is a toxic place, reddit is passive agressive because anything disliked is downvoted to death, twitter is a political platform and will do anything it can to push agendas

I don't know about other social media like facebook or other forums.

[Big Pharma]

Escrito originalmente por SMIFFY:

You can't say anything other than the blandest comments on this forum without getting a ban.

[Melody]

Escrito originalmente por The Devil's in the details:

chan is a toxic place, reddit is passive agressive because anything disliked is downvoted to death, twitter is a political platform and will do anything it can to push agendas

I don't know about other social media like facebook or other forums.

I can agree, about Reddit, that some people are downvoted to hell.

Personally, I've never been downvoted at all on Reddit because I follow this reasoning: "as long as I'm providing interesting and intelligent answers/topics I shouldn't be on the wrong side of the rails". Though, I've also seen some interesting (but way too aggressive) comments being downvoted. Definitely not really fair downvoting them down to hell.

Chan is definitely toxic as far as I could see, but I've never tried to post anything there.

[Vince ✟]

A revolutionary eh?

Good luck with that

[Melody]

Escrito originalmente por Vince:

A revolutionary eh?

Good luck with that

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

[Vince ✟]

Escrito originalmente por Melody =^-^=:

Escrito originalmente por Vince:

A revolutionary eh?

Good luck with that

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

You mean like Off Topic groups?

[Mr. Megidramon]

Parts of any forum can be toxic, even steam ones(looking at you vac ban disscussion board), that doesn't mean the entire site is terrible(though I have to use old reddit, because new reddit looks like garbage)

[Big Pharma]

Escrito originalmente por Melody =^-^=:

Escrito originalmente por Vince:

A revolutionary eh?

Good luck with that

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

So you're basically trying to create a safe space?

[Cassidy]

Escrito originalmente por Melody =^-^=:

Escrito originalmente por Vince:

A revolutionary eh?

Good luck with that

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

Good luck with that, I tried running a similar group with a few regs, but it’s kinda dead inactive now.

But even in a Steam group, we’re still subject to Steam’s terms of service, so if you really want a platform where you can freely moderate/administrate, consider creating your own forum instead.

I used to administrate in an IPB-based forum. It was easy to use and there are plenty of premade themes available.

[Mr. Megidramon]

Escrito originalmente por Kalsajo:

there's always the saying "it's the internet"

No one will care about your feelings, there are no consequences that will negatively affect them. Thus the reason why "toxicity" exists.

Ya know, it is possible to have a reasonable debate online,without it dissolving into chaos

It is not just the responibility of the other users to 'care' about your feelings, but your own for realising when you are taking things too personal or are overly sensitive about a subject, and are ranting to a group of people that most likely won't care.

[Melody]

Escrito originalmente por Vince:

Escrito originalmente por Melody =^-^=:

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

You mean like Off Topic groups?

Well a small (that might become big) place, correctly moderated and administrated, in which people can talk about anything.

Escrito originalmente por Mr. Megidramon (veryboredgamer):

Parts of any forum can be toxic, even steam ones(looking at you vac ban disscussion board), that doesn't mean the entire site is terrible(though I have to use old reddit, because new reddit looks like garbage)

Yes, you're right. But when it comes to having most people being toxic then that's another story, because it becomes literally impossible to discuss about anything without getting useless and annoying stuff.

Escrito originalmente por Vietcong Charlie (PLA):

Escrito originalmente por Melody =^-^=:

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

So you're basically trying to create a safe space?

Yes, might not become huge but I'm trying.

Escrito originalmente por Kalsajo:

there's always the saying "it's the internet"

No one will care about your feelings, there are no consequences that will negatively affect them. Thus the reason why "toxicity" exists.

Yep, because they don't feel responsible of what they type, since there are no consequences. Some people, instead, are able to discuss, and my little project is a perfect place for that. I hope it'll become kinda popular at least.

Escrito originalmente por Vixinity:

Escrito originalmente por Melody =^-^=:

Oh well it's not really a revolution. It's just a small project to allow some people to discuss and talk without fearing toxicity and all the stuff. I don't think it would become huge anyway, maybe just big.

Good luck with that, I tried running a similar group with a few regs, but it’s kinda dead inactive now.

But even in a Steam group, we’re still subject to Steam’s terms of service, so if you really want a platform where you can freely moderate/administrate, consider creating your own forum instead.

I used to administrate in an IPB-based forum. It was easy to use and there are plenty of premade themes available.

:sakura:

Thanks, I hope it grows. Well yeah, but I think that Steam Guidelines themselves are mostly fine.

Escrito originalmente por Mr. Megidramon (veryboredgamer):

Escrito originalmente por Kalsajo:

there's always the saying "it's the internet"

No one will care about your feelings, there are no consequences that will negatively affect them. Thus the reason why "toxicity" exists.

Ya know, it is possible to have a reasonable debate online,without it dissolving into chaos

It is not just the responibility of the other users to 'care' about your feelings, but your own for realising when you are taking things too personal or are overly sensitive about a subject, and are ranting to a group of people that most likely won't care.

That's definitely true. Unfortunately I always try to discuss even with people who just want to bother me, so I end up feeling frustrated.

[Violeta]

Escrito originalmente por Kalsajo:

there's always the saying "it's the internet"

No one will care about your feelings, there are no consequences that will negatively affect them. Thus the reason why "toxicity" exists.

Sadly you do have to care about others, if you push someone to where they do something drastic, you can be liable or it end up impactng you in real life. Wasn't like that in the early days of the net, and I was free to say whatever I wanted. But now you need to take care, for your own good.