Why do we have to pay for online in consoles?

[Canny McTin-Face]

PS4 is nice and all but they make you pay money for online for some unknown reason. why consoles in particular are the ones that do this anyways?

[Mikasa Ackerman]

Incarnate の投稿を引用：

Lost "N" Spaced の投稿を引用：

Do you know how much PS+ cost a year? It isn't even a regular fee which has sales and third party incentives. Even if PS+ was a fixed fee are you saying people should save that fee every year until they get enough to build a gaming PC? That would be well over a decade or two of waiting lmao. Then factor in PS+ users get additonal discounts on top of the normal sales discounts for diigtal games. You can save hundreds of dollars a year on PS4 games with PS+.

It's 60 bucks a year. So over six years that would would be nearly 400 bucks. Throw in $450 for a new PS Pro, and that's over 800 bucks.

You can upgrade an existing PC or build one from scratch for considerably less than $800, and it will be more powerful and won't be a paper weight in five years when the next generation of consoles comes out unable to play old games you might have bought physical copies of: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/pc-vs-ps4-pro

exactly this , the online subscription is just so much its crazy , and worst of all you have to pay far in advance , with wow i can decide if i want to pay for a month or two , or if i just play games with free online

if we go really over the top , the online subscription in 100 years is $6000 just for being able to play online , and that doesnt include any hardwar ,thats just money you throw away for having a console

i honestly cant wait for the ps5 to come out , then the "ps4 sold x million arguement" will be nullified again and we can troll console players by saying "you are still only at 1-5 million ? but you said console isnt a small group of people who are stuck in the past"

[愛と愛]

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

Incarnate の投稿を引用：

It's 60 bucks a year. So over six years that would would be nearly 400 bucks. Throw in $450 for a new PS Pro, and that's over 800 bucks.

You can upgrade an existing PC or build one from scratch for considerably less than $800, and it will be more powerful and won't be a paper weight in five years when the next generation of consoles comes out unable to play old games you might have bought physical copies of: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/pc-vs-ps4-pro

exactly this , the online subscription is just so much its crazy , and worst of all you have to pay far in advance , with wow i can decide if i want to pay for a month or two , or if i just play games with free online

if we go really over the top , the online subscription in 100 years is $6000 just for being able to play online , and that doesnt include any hardwar ,thats just money you throw away for having a console

i honestly cant wait for the ps5 to come out , then the "ps4 sold x million arguement" will be nullified again and we can troll console players by saying "you are still only at 1-5 million ? but you said console isnt a small group of people who are stuck in the past"

Nobody will play PlayStation for 100 year not worth. PS4 Pro sold 500 Millions of copy.
We can get $10 PS Plus subscription 2 month so we get 8 games from it.
Ex: Dead by Daylight, Mafia 3 and 1 PS VR Title i forgot
I'm generallly singleplayer gamer.

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

Incarnate の投稿を引用：

Lost "N" Spaced の投稿を引用：

Do you know how much PS+ cost a year? It isn't even a regular fee which has sales and third party incentives. Even if PS+ was a fixed fee are you saying people should save that fee every year until they get enough to build a gaming PC? That would be well over a decade or two of waiting lmao. Then factor in PS+ users get additonal discounts on top of the normal sales discounts for diigtal games. You can save hundreds of dollars a year on PS4 games with PS+.

It's 60 bucks a year. So over six years that would would be nearly 400 bucks. Throw in $450 for a new PS Pro, and that's over 800 bucks.

You can upgrade an existing PC or build one from scratch for considerably less than $800, and it will be more powerful and won't be a paper weight in five years when the next generation of consoles comes out unable to play old games you might have bought physical copies of: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/pc-vs-ps4-pro

$800 is like a crap PC and the crypto currency is inflating GPU prices makes it even crappier. Not everyone home builds or upgrades PC's. That is mainly for the hobbyists. After this $800 PC has been home built, because you can't buy a pre-build gaming PC that cheap the PC gamer still needs to “buy games".

You lay down $300 on PS4 bundle with games and still have $500 of that $800 to spend on games and PS+ from day one. Put the price of a pre-build gaming PC against the PS4 and the average consumer would have over $1000 or more to spend on PS4 games/PS+ than just having a crappy level entry PC with no games, lmao.

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

ConnorRK800 | CombatCipher の投稿を引用：

Incarnate の投稿を引用：

It's 60 bucks a year. So over six years that would would be nearly 400 bucks. Throw in $450 for a new PS Pro, and that's over 800 bucks.

You can upgrade an existing PC or build one from scratch for considerably less than $800, and it will be more powerful and won't be a paper weight in five years when the next generation of consoles comes out unable to play old games you might have bought physical copies of: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/pc-vs-ps4-pro

Nobody would stick with PS4 for 6 years no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way i threw my ps3 when ps4 came out

I still got a PS3/360/Wii and still games to beat. Having a PS4 changes nothing. I am still up for getting a Wii-U/Switch/XB1/XBScorpio when my back catalogue shrinks by couple of hundred games on the consoles and PC's.

[Incarnate]

Lost "N" Spaced の投稿を引用：

Incarnate の投稿を引用：

It's 60 bucks a year. So over six years that would would be nearly 400 bucks. Throw in $450 for a new PS Pro, and that's over 800 bucks.

You can upgrade an existing PC or build one from scratch for considerably less than $800, and it will be more powerful and won't be a paper weight in five years when the next generation of consoles comes out unable to play old games you might have bought physical copies of: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/pc-vs-ps4-pro

$800 is like a crap PC and the crypto currency is inflating GPU prices makes it even crappier. Not everyone home builds or upgrades PC's. That is mainly for the hobbyists. After this $800 PC has been home built, because you can't buy a pre-build gaming PC that cheap the PC gamer still needs to “buy games".

You lay down $300 on PS4 bundle with games and still have $500 of that $800 to spend on games and PS+ from day one. Put the price of a pre-build gaming PC against the PS4 and the average consumer would have over $1000 or more to spend on PS4 games/PS+ than just having a crappy level entry PC with no games, lmao.

Typically people don't build an entire PC from scratch every three or four years; they switch out graphics cards or processors. That's why it's cheaper in the long run. And I checked current prices, you can build a PS 4 Pro-comparable or XBox One X-comparable PC for $500 from scratch: https://levelskip.com/consoles/400-gaming-pc-vs-console

PC games are actually pretty cheap. I've seen Doom on sale for 6 dollars. I don't know where you are getting your info from.

[Amuro0079]

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ConnorRK800 | CombatCipher の投稿を引用：

Nobody would stick with PS4 for 6 years no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way i threw my ps3 when ps4 came out

I think that's the problem. They want consumers to buy new reiterations every few years. You can't download content for a PS3 and a PS4 and a PS4 Pro from the same PS + account. You need multiple accounts, right?

You can use the same PSN account (with or without +) for everything, PS3, Vita and PS4. (Pro/Slim included) Some games are cross-buy and/ or cross-save between PS3/Vita/PS4. Plus is only required for online play in non-F2P games on the PS4; it also supports Share Play on the PS4 which lets you share your entire game library with someone on your friend list and they do not need to have +.

You only need multiple PSN accounts if you want to access content from other regions, say you want to buy some game that's only available on the Japanese store. And once you have acquired that game, you can play it across all accounts on the same machine.

[Incarnate]

NewGBreaker の投稿を引用：

Incarnate の投稿を引用：

I think that's the problem. They want consumers to buy new reiterations every few years. You can't download content for a PS3 and a PS4 and a PS4 Pro from the same PS + account. You need multiple accounts, right?

You can use the same PSN account (with or without +) for everything, PS3, Vita and PS4. (Pro/Slim included) Some games are cross-buy and/ or cross-save between PS3/Vita/PS4. Plus is only required for online play in non-F2P games on the PS4; it also supports Share Play on the PS4 which lets you share your entire game library with someone on your friend list and they do not need to have +.

You only need multiple PSN accounts if you want to access content from other regions, say you want to buy some game that's only available on the Japanese store. And once you have acquired that game, you can play it across all accounts on the same machine.

So they're just trying to kill off physical sales? I don't understand why there is no backwards compatibility if you can still play the same game you bought digitally for PS 3 on PS 4.

[secuda]

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

NewGBreaker の投稿を引用：

PS4 has 21 million, did you even read my previous post? Also, a lot of games you buy on Steam only use it as DRM, and some games such as Elite Dangerous can be run without even using Steam; just registered the Steam key at the game's website and you can run it off the game's own launcher.

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

just delete your steam account and get a console if you want one so bad

What kind of toxic argument is that?

[ともり]

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

NewGBreaker の投稿を引用：

PS4 has 21 million, did you even read my previous post? Also, a lot of games you buy on Steam only use it as DRM, and some games such as Elite Dangerous can be run without even using Steam; just registered the Steam key at the game's website and you can run it off the game's own launcher.

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

just delete your steam account and get a console if you want one so bad

^^

[WhispersOfTheWind]

spooky spook の投稿を引用：

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

^^

what if steam expanded into the console market? Problem solved. No deleting steam account needed.

[Mikasa Ackerman]

ConnorRK800 | CombatCipher の投稿を引用：

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

exactly this , the online subscription is just so much its crazy , and worst of all you have to pay far in advance , with wow i can decide if i want to pay for a month or two , or if i just play games with free online

if we go really over the top , the online subscription in 100 years is $6000 just for being able to play online , and that doesnt include any hardwar ,thats just money you throw away for having a console

i honestly cant wait for the ps5 to come out , then the "ps4 sold x million arguement" will be nullified again and we can troll console players by saying "you are still only at 1-5 million ? but you said console isnt a small group of people who are stuck in the past"

Nobody will play PlayStation for 100 year not worth. PS4 Pro sold 500 Millions of copy.
We can get $10 PS Plus subscription 2 month so we get 8 games from it.
Ex: Dead by Daylight, Mafia 3 and 1 PS VR Title i forgot
I'm generallly singleplayer gamer.

ps4 pro didnt sell 500 million copies lmao

[Mikasa Ackerman]

secuda の投稿を引用：

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

What kind of toxic argument is that?

since he cares so much for consoles he should just get one , and so he doesnt have to worry falling back if he deletes his steam account that wont happen

[secuda]

Ryuko Matoi の投稿を引用：

secuda の投稿を引用：

What kind of toxic argument is that?

since he cares so much for consoles he should just get one , and so he doesnt have to worry falling back if he deletes his steam account that wont happen

So if a fellow citezen find something they do better in another country, do you tell him/her to move there as well?

[Arvaos]

You have to pay to maintain servers instead of P2P servers or private servers.

[Daxank]

Synth3D ☯ の投稿を引用：

You have to pay to maintain servers instead of P2P servers or private servers.

Except that most servers on console are P2P