Why do we have to pay for online in consoles?

[Canny McTin-Face]

PS4 is nice and all but they make you pay money for online for some unknown reason. why consoles in particular are the ones that do this anyways?

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

引用自 drew!：

引用自 HellsWind：

Okay. Well got to have some sort of statement available, can't be like; "we'll take your money, thank you very much'' as an enterprise.

ofc there is, but it's a really bad one and obv bs.
This is from 2013 fro man article from gamestop

Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida said that it would have been "absurd" to keep the service free, considering the "large investment of resources" Sony has made for online infrastructure.
source:https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-explains-why-ps-plus-is-required-for-ps4-online-play/1100-6410806/

They really don't go into any sort of depth here and yeah, it's pretty mutch what you said tho.
"we'll take your money, thank you very much'' as an enterprise.

Weak source come back they are selling consoles and controllers at a loss. You really can't get around the hardware loss issue. I thought the weaponized autisim of PC gaming peasants would kick in, but nah.

[just chillin, Drew.]

引用自 Lost "N" Spaced：

引用自 drew!：

have you really not read anything i wrote? sony as a whole is not running at a loss, they have actually been making profit for a couple of years now. This is as simple as a google search really. Even when they were running at a loss, i don't know what you think running at a loss means, but it doesn't mean they are going to get bankrupt any time soon and it doesn't necessarily mean they are running out of money either. Even when running at a loss, they could easily afford to not charge people for online multiplayer acess, especially when sony aren't the ones who pay for multiplayer servers, the devs of the games on their platform are paying for that.They are a far bigger company than steam and are turning a far bigger profit than valve. Again, if valve can afford free multiplayer acess, then so can sony.

I never mentioned bankrupt at any time. Look go and play "Strawman Simulator" on Steam it is free and then get back to me.

i didn't say you were either and you don't seem to know what the meaning of a strawman argument is. i was merely explaining to you the basic concept of what running at a loss means as you clearly seemed to indicate in your statement that if would have been financially really bad for them not to charge for multiplayer acess.

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

引用自 drew!：

引用自 Lost "N" Spaced：

I never mentioned bankrupt at any time. Look go and play "Strawman Simulator" on Steam it is free and then get back to me.

i didn't say you were either and you don't seem to know what the meaning of a strawman argument is. i was merely explaining to you the basic concept of what running at a loss means as you clearly seemed to indicate in your statement that if would have been financially really bad for them not to charge for multiplayer acess.

You interjected something I never refered to and is irrelivant to my point. You really don't know or get human nature.

Invest in something small a subscription loss to get a big return like PS+ extra discounts.

SONY/M$ invest on a hardware loss to get a big return like Live/PS+.

It is like people are following the same pattern/model, go figure. Stop crying about human nature. I expected a higher form of weaponized autisim from PC gamers. They do bang on how elite they are, oh well.

[Amuro0079]

引用自 sage2001：

引用自 NewGBreaker：

It depends on how you look at it. If you're paying for PS+ reqardless for online play, then those games come us a bonous, so they're free in that sense.

Steam and other places already give out free games. Again, why make it part of a subscription model that doesn't come to our benefit and doesn't come to Valve's benefit through lack of support?

Steam gives out free games? Like what? Indie crap?

[kanon ☆]

引用自 NewGBreaker：

引用自 sage2001：

Steam and other places already give out free games. Again, why make it part of a subscription model that doesn't come to our benefit and doesn't come to Valve's benefit through lack of support?

Steam gives out free games? Like what? Indie crap?

like cs 1.6 on old times when you register a.k.a when steam is first launched

[Amuro0079]

引用自 drew!：

引用自 Lost "N" Spaced：

Really if Valve was trading at major hardware loss they wouldn't recoup the loss someway? If Valve users had to use Steam only Machines/Steam Contollers then you might a have comparable point to make.

Even when running at a loss, they could easily afford to not charge people for online multiplayer acess, especially when sony aren't the ones who pay for multiplayer servers, the devs of the games on their platform are paying for that.

But they do have to maintain the PSN backend right?

[Mikasa Ackerman]

引用自 NewGBreaker：

引用自 sage2001：

And that's better than free right?

It depends on how you look at it. If you're paying for PS+ reqardless for online play, then those games come as a bonus, so they're free in that sense.

but i can just get games for the price of ps+ aswell no need to pay for a subscription to maybe get games i want

引用自 HellsWind：

(probably) For the developers to be able to contribute to the game in content frequently, to patch things up and keep services (running costs) up & running.

you already bought the game , just like many others , that should be enough for any dev

引用自 NewGBreaker：

引用自 drew!：

Even when running at a loss, they could easily afford to not charge people for online multiplayer acess, especially when sony aren't the ones who pay for multiplayer servers, the devs of the games on their platform are paying for that.

But they do have to maintain the PSN backend right?

what is there to maintain ?

[Canny McTin-Face]

引用自 Lost "N" Spaced：

引用自 INVISIBLE BRAIN：

every year your PS4's value goes up $120 (in my region)

Emigrate then.

My new PS4 cost $120 subtracting the four retail games and one controller with the HDMI cable that come with it.

really? i thought they were like 300$. 120 is almost too good to be true.

[Apostulator]

Why do we have to pay for online in consoles? ...to keep the riff-raff out.

[Canny McTin-Face]

引用自 Apostulator：

Why do we have to pay for online in consoles? ...to keep the riff-raff out.

you mean cheaters? you can't install custom files on consoles

[kanon ☆]

引用自 Canny McTin-Face：

引用自 Apostulator：

Why do we have to pay for online in consoles? ...to keep the riff-raff out.

you mean cheaters? you can't install custom files on consoles

You can
https://youtu.be/UrWFc4_vWss

Sorry if not allowed,just warn me.

[Canny McTin-Face]

引用自 dark：

引用自 Canny McTin-Face：

you mean cheaters? you can't install custom files on consoles

You can
https://youtu.be/UrWFc4_vWss

Sorry if not allowed,just warn me.

looks like there is an exception to everything. though cheaters are extremely rare, i mean really bloody rare. but it seems they do exist

[Mossy Snake]

It's to make it easier for the hackers who infiltrate Sony every 3 months to get your credit card.

PSN gets hacked so often that I would always try to use PSN codes (like the cards you buy at the store) to buy stuff rather than directly purchasing things whenever possible

[Mikasa Ackerman]

引用自 MossyRathalos：

It's to make it easier for the hackers who infiltrate Sony every 3 months to get your credit card.

PSN gets hacked so often that I would always try to use PSN codes (like the cards you buy at the store) to buy stuff rather than directly purchasing things whenever possible

another good point against them
consoles get hacked and credit card info gets stolen all the time , how come they dont have better security if you pay for it ( i mean , free anti virus often are better than paid ones aswell ,but still ) atleast they could prevent that from happening

[Canny McTin-Face]

引用自 Ryuko Matoi：

引用自 MossyRathalos：

It's to make it easier for the hackers who infiltrate Sony every 3 months to get your credit card.

PSN gets hacked so often that I would always try to use PSN codes (like the cards you buy at the store) to buy stuff rather than directly purchasing things whenever possible

another good point against them
consoles get hacked and credit card info gets stolen all the time , how come they dont have better security if you pay for it ( i mean , free anti virus often are better than paid ones aswell ,but still ) atleast they could prevent that from happening

where does all that money from PS+ go to anyways? last few PS+ rebuys went to Emoji Movie, since Sony made that movie.

...

They aren't working on an Emoji Movie 2, right?
oh no