Avengers: Infinity War questions

[Eat3n]

Can someone explain Thor's powers (in the movies, i don't care about the comics) to me?

1) In Ragnarok Thor was said to get his powers from the planet, ghost-dad Anthony Hopkins said no, it comes from it's people: "Asgard isn't a place it's a people". Well, both the planet and it's people are destroyed as of Afinity War so...how does Thor have powers? If he just "has them" then what was all that crap about powers coming from Asgard?

2) In the first Thor he and Natalie Portman were having a conversation where he said our ancestors called it magic, but modern humans call Asgard stuff science. The bifrost, teleportation, comes from the machine that Heimdall operates with his key. Yet in Infinity War Tyrion Lannister said Stormbreaker gives Thor bifrost powers, which he uses to join the fight in Wakanda. If it's "science" and the machine, the planet, and Heimdall's sword-key are gone how exactly does Thor have "bifrost powers"? What generating the beam to transport him?

Is this just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writing or am i missing something?

[Kruzible]

I honestly don't think any writer has cared about the details this much, so I wouldn't give yourself an anyeurism over these questions, but I think I can probably help a bit with both of them.

You say that Thor calls his 'magic' powers, purely 'scientific' it might just be a way he could explain it without hurting anyones brains. Anything that appears magic can easily be considered science, if magic existed in our world, it would probably be considered a science. I think Odin saying that his powers came from Asguard was just filler, to make the end of Ragnorak more dramatic. Most of what you explained is probably just plot-holes.

[Ditto]

1) Thor's power is not from Asgard. He said Asgard is not a place, it's a people. He said his power doesn't come from the hammer either. Sounds like he's born with it. He is the god of thunder, with or without people.

2) The new weapon made for him supposedly had "bifrost travel capabilities", for lack of a better phrase, and Heimdall's sword was his key. So in theory, Thor would have another key.

[Eat3n]

Originally posted by ToxicFiend:

I honestly don't think any writer has cared about the details this much, so I wouldn't give yourself an anyeurism over these questions, but I think I can probably help a bit with both of them.

You say that Thor calls his 'magic' powers, purely 'scientific' it might just be a way he could explain it without hurting anyones brains. Anything that appears magic can easily be considered science, if magic existed in our world, it would probably be considered a science. I think Odin saying that his powers came from Asguard was just filler, to make the end of Ragnorak more dramatic. Most of what you explained is probably just plot-holes.

I guess, it just weird that in Thor 1 and 2 they went out of their way to downplay the magic aspect via Natalie Portman being some advanced physicist who understood Asgard "tech" but then in Ragnork and Infinity war it's just...magic...

[Kruzible]

Welp, I guess all methods of reality and possibility have failed. It must just be, magic.

[Eat3n]

Originally posted by Ms. Jack Bauer:

1) Thor's power is not from Asgard. He said Asgard is not a place, it's a people. He said his power doesn't come from the hammer either. Sounds like he's born with it. He is the god of thunder, with or without people.

2) The new weapon made for him supposedly had "bifrost travel capabilities", for lack of a better phrase, and Heimdall's sword was his key. So in theory, Thor would have another key.

So then all the "powers come from asgard" stuff was what, bs?

Ok, but if one doesn't have the machine to generate the bifrost beam to travel with how does Thor's new key work?

[Ditto]

Originally posted by -EAT3N-:

I guess, it just weird that in Thor 1 and 2 they went out of their way to downplay the magic aspect via Natalie Portman being some advanced physicist who understood Asgard "tech" but then in Ragnork and Infinity war it's just...magic...

There is magic or powers that humans do not have in the other worlds. Not everything is science. The way they are trying to heal Jane could technically be explained by science, that doesn't mean everything else can. I mean a Jotun can literally freeze someone. That's not science. The powerful weapons forged for Asgard do not have scientific explanations. Frigga taught Loki magic. That alone shows that there is more than science in Asgard.

[no u]

You’re thinking too much about it. Superhero movies aren’t that deep.

[Eat3n]

Originally posted by Ms. Jack Bauer:

Originally posted by -EAT3N-:

I guess, it just weird that in Thor 1 and 2 they went out of their way to downplay the magic aspect via Natalie Portman being some advanced physicist who understood Asgard "tech" but then in Ragnork and Infinity war it's just...magic...

There is magic and powers that humans do not have in the other worlds. Not everything is science. The way they are trying to heal Jane could technically be explained by science, that doesn't mean everything else can. I mean a Jotun can literally freeze someone. That's not science. The powerful weapons forged for Asgard do not have scientific explanations. Frigga taught Loki magic. That alone shows that there is more than science in Asgard.

Makes sense i guess. So then what was the bifrost, science or magic?

[Eat3n]

Originally posted by Kokichi Ouma:

You’re thinking too much about it. Superhero movies aren’t that deep.

Yeah, i know. But the incongruity is bugging me.

[Ditto]

Originally posted by -EAT3N-:

Originally posted by Ms. Jack Bauer:

1) Thor's power is not from Asgard. He said Asgard is not a place, it's a people. He said his power doesn't come from the hammer either. Sounds like he's born with it. He is the god of thunder, with or without people.

2) The new weapon made for him supposedly had "bifrost travel capabilities", for lack of a better phrase, and Heimdall's sword was his key. So in theory, Thor would have another key.

So then all the "powers come from asgard" stuff was what, bs?

Ok, but if one doesn't have the machine to generate the bifrost beam to travel with how does Thor's new key work?

Heimdall was able to summon dark magic on the ship to allow transport. It can be assumed Thor used this same magic to generate a new bifrost. This was also addressed in the second Thor movie, when Loki asks how much dark magic Odin had to use to get Thor to Earth. As for the powers come from Asgard, are you referring to Hela? I don't remember him saying that about Thor, but I could be wrong.

Edit: This is Avengers, before the second Thor movie when he first describes dark magic. I just have a terrible memory.

[Eat3n]

Originally posted by Ms. Jack Bauer:

Originally posted by -EAT3N-:

So then all the "powers come from asgard" stuff was what, bs?

Ok, but if one doesn't have the machine to generate the bifrost beam to travel with how does Thor's new key work?

Heimdall was able to summon dark magic on the ship to allow transport. It can be assumed Thor used this same magic to generate a new bifrost. This was also addressed in the second Thor movie, when Loki asks how much dark magic Odin had to use to get Thor to Earth. As for the powers come from Asgard, are you referring to Hela? I don't remember him saying that about Thor, but I could be wrong.

When Thor, Loki, and Odin are in Norway Odin mentions that Hela gets her powers form Asgard like Thor does. Then later, after death, he tells Thor that Asgard isn't a place it's a people. So, presumably he'd get his power from the people...somehow. Now that both are gone, where would the powers come from? So it's either not explained or it was all bullsh*t.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Apparently the director has confirmed that the people aren’t gone, that some made it off the ship.

[AgentNeebs01]

Originally posted by -EAT3N-:

Can someone explain Thor's powers (in the movies, i don't care about the comics) to me?

1) In Ragnarok Thor was said to get his powers from the planet, ghost-dad Anthony Hopkins said no, it comes from it's people: "Asgard isn't a place it's a people". Well, both the planet and it's people are destroyed as of Afinity War so...how does Thor have powers? If he just "has them" then what was all that crap about powers coming from Asgard?

2) In the first Thor he and Natalie Portman were having a conversation where he said our ancestors called it magic, but modern humans call Asgard stuff science. The bifrost, teleportation, comes from the machine that Heimdall operates with his key. Yet in Infinity War Tyrion Lannister said Stormbreaker gives Thor bifrost powers, which he uses to join the fight in Wakanda. If it's "science" and the machine, the planet, and Heimdall's sword-key are gone how exactly does Thor have "bifrost powers"? What generating the beam to transport him?

Is this just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writing or am i missing something?

1. Let me explain to you about that power. Thor is a God of Thunder. But if I want to go deeper into his powers in both Ragnarok and Infinity War, well here it is. According to Odin, Thor always had his true powers but he never truly realized his potential until he was about to die. Odin told him that the Mjolnir hammer was never the source of Thor's power, it was there simply to focus it and make it easier to control for Thor and when he lost it he was forced to use his power without it.

In the comics, Thor is Asgardian, which means he possesses the above-human strength, speed, endurance, invulnerability, etc. based solely on his physiology. "Thor’s unique physiology of half-Asgardian and Half Elder God grants him the typical powers of an Asgardian God but he is much stronger than the typical members of his race" (Comicvine).

Since his abilities are mostly due to this, he should retain all of his natural abilities (including weather manipulation) even after the destruction of Asgard. Mjolnir did assist with some of his natural abilities, and even gave him some new abilities like flight, so with the destruction of Mjolnir, we already see a flightless Thor in Infinity War. But the destruction of Asgard should not have taken away any of Thor's abilities, since they are based on his physiology and not on the existence of Asgard. It's Hela who grew stronger everyday bcoz she continues draws her powers from Asgard.

2. How does Thor get there if the Bifrost is destroyed: you’ll note in the beginning of the movie Heimdall summons the Bifrost to transport Hulk back to earth using dark magic from the “All Fathers” which is a very powerful magic that few characters have ever had access to. When Thor was at The Forge, Eitri, the king of the Dwarves, told Thor that the weapon they were going to forge “Stormbreaker”. It's a king's weapon even capable of summoning the Bifrost. Now Stormbreaker In the comic books originally belonged to Beta Rey Bill but if you want more information on him you can find it online. One if the powerful magical properties Stormbreaker possessed was being able to open the Bifrost and travel through the universe which means the weapon harnesses dark magic. So therefore when Thor wields it it allows him to travel through the nine realms just as he could before the Bifrost was destroyed.

[Ditto]

Yeah, what AgentNeebs said. Better than how I explained it.

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