What's wrong with cultural appropriation?

[ψ -No.23-]

I'm really confused when people screech at other people for wearing something from another culture, like isnt that a good thing??? Nobody owns a culture and doing stuff like that should bring us all together, not create an even bigger schism. And if cultural appropriation is so bad, then why are non-white people allowed to go to Starbucks? Aren't they "appropriating their culture?"

[🜂∴🜏 Cassie]

ROFLwut? původně napsal:

You're right, of course, but the thread started out on the wrong foot. The OP asks what's wrong with cultural appropriation based on an example that's not really cultural approriation, but the natural tendency to blend and borrow different individual parts of a culture.

There's nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong with claiming an entire identity you don't possess, like Rachel Dolezal did by claiming she was so-called African American when she's not got a single drop of African blood in her veins nor any ties to the African continent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

On a side note, I have a Yin-Yang tattooed on my ankle but for the life of me I don't remember ever getting it.

Aye, I get what you mean; it’s like anime fans who claim they’re “Japanese in spirit”, while not understanding anything about actual Japanese culture and only knowing what is depicted in anime. That might be why there are some Japanese people who actively dislike foreigners.

Also, Yin-Yang symbol is wicked cool, it represents duality and also that both sides have a part of each other and are balanced.

[Azza ☠]

Lost "N" Spaced původně napsal:

Azza ☠ původně napsal:

What's wrong with saying the N-word, if not a black skin colour?

It's called reverse racism, but they merely assume you as being the racist, due to holding upon a grudge from before you where even born. News flash: Ironically if they are judging your skin colour, it's actually them being the racist. Get over it already.

Same deal with you wearing another culture's item of clothing, if they don't want you to wear it, that's logically reverse racism.

Reverse racism?

It is just all "racisim" nothing more nothing less.

To clarify:

Reverse racism = Someone who assumes you're the racist, by ironically being racist themselves.

Hense #BlackLivesMatter is reverse racism, as it should be #AllLivesMatter, yet they get upset with that.

Racism is a balance on a scale, it can easily tip from one side to the other, just from what people assume back and forwards.

[ROFLpl0x]

Lost "N" Spaced původně napsal:

ROFLwut? původně napsal:

You're right, of course, but the thread started out on the wrong foot. The OP asks what's wrong with cultural appropriation based on an example that's not really cultural approriation, but the natural tendency to blend and borrow different individual parts of a culture.

There's nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong with claiming an entire identity you don't possess, like Rachel Dolezal did by claiming she was so-called African American when she's not got a single drop of African blood in her veins nor any ties to the African continent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

On a side note, I have a Yin-Yang tattooed on my ankle but for the life of me I don't remember ever getting it.

She trans-raced and trans-cultured, Sounds like a very modern progressive thing to do thesedays. Have you got a thing against ♥♥♥♥♥♥'s or something?

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Depends. We talking about stick shift or automatic here? Or one of those creepy selective ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Cuz those really weird me out, man.

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

Azza ☠ původně napsal:

Lost "N" Spaced původně napsal:

Reverse racism?

It is just all "racisim" nothing more nothing less.

To clarify:

Reverse racism = Someone who assumes your the racist, by ironically being racist themselves.

Hense #BlackLivesMatter is reverse racism, as it should be #AllLivesMatter, yet they get upset with that.

Racism is a balance on a scale, it can easily tip from one side to the other, just from what people assume back and forwards.

No it was not used as that intially. It was used by whites to call out racism by non-whites. Then whites realised how racist the statement reverse racism looked. So they just stuck to racism like ever one else did naturally.

Are you are young person or something BLM is kind of new.

[Devious]

ROFLwut? původně napsal:

Devious původně napsal:

Like I said, there's no such thing as collective ownership of a culture. It exists as part of humankind's "public domain". So yes, anybody can decide to use aspects of a culture they enjoy for their own benefit, and in turn you have every right to criticize them for it.

The irony is that to even suggest that a person's culture exists in the public domain, you first have to arrogate ownership of it to yourself to have the right to make that decision.

You can't simply say "Culture is in the public domain" for people to do with whatever they want because you think it should be. There has to be a consensus of opinion among the people who belong to the various cultures, not some group of pseudo-intellectual college professors or a UNESCO thinktoilet, and I promise you that outside the multicultureless western world you're never going to get that consensus. You can decide that your own culture is in the public domain as far as YOU'RE concerned but you don't speak for anyone but yourself and you damned sure don't speak for even one person who identifies with a culture you haven't the slightest affilition with.

Here's a slice of my wife's culture and it's distinctly hers. She's even dancing in the video (the cute blonde in the blue dress). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysu5mqMvIQc

It has elements of all the various cultures around her native country but this one belongs to her because it was her people that created, nurtured, and protect it while the Hungarians tried to Magyarize them, the Ottomans tried to enslave them, the Soviets tried to communize them, the Nazis machinegunned them down for being the wrong kind of white, and the west currently tries to multiculturalize them, which they would rather die than do. And all that is after their original culture had been all but wiped out by Christianization and they had to start all over again.

India and China have similar tales about the British, the Native Americans about first the British and then the new Americans, and so on. Each of these groups and countless others like them own their cultures, by right, because they made them with centuries and millennia of suffering and hardship, and very often died because of it.

I would dare you to tell my wife that her cultural identity is part of the public domain. She'll break your legs. And then she'll call her father. You don't want that.

Your wife's culture is part of humanity's public domain just like everyone else's. Maybe you're joking or maybe you're actually making melodramatic threats online with a straight face, but either way you're kind of making a fool of yourself.

In any case, it's not your decision. When I say you can't own a culture, I'm stating a hard fact. Those are personal choices. There really is nothing you can do about someone's choice in attire, hairstyle or traditions. You can make arguments as to why that's disrespectful in your view and hope to change their mind (look above you and you'll find far more solid arguments than your own), but ultimately it comes down to personal freedom. Tough ♥♥♥♥.

I'm still interested in the subject but I'll continue the discussion with someone a little less emotional.

[ROFLpl0x]

Vixinity původně napsal:

ROFLwut? původně napsal:

You're right, of course, but the thread started out on the wrong foot. The OP asks what's wrong with cultural appropriation based on an example that's not really cultural approriation, but the natural tendency to blend and borrow different individual parts of a culture.

There's nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong with claiming an entire identity you don't possess, like Rachel Dolezal did by claiming she was so-called African American when she's not got a single drop of African blood in her veins nor any ties to the African continent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

On a side note, I have a Yin-Yang tattooed on my ankle but for the life of me I don't remember ever getting it.

Aye, I get what you mean; it’s like anime fans who claim they’re “Japanese in spirit”, while not understanding anything about actual Japanese culture and only knowing what is depicted in anime. That might be why there are some Japanese people who actively dislike foreigners.

Also, Yin-Yang symbol is wicked cool, it represents duality and also that both sides have a part of each other and are balanced.

Yeah, that's pretty close, and it's a silly thing to do. I get it, I guess. Kids need to find their identity, so they look to things they're familiar with. These days it's anime so they try to buy the whole farm and suddenly they think they're Japanese. The problem in the west is that kids are being taught to hate their own identity, so they do, and they love everybody else's instead. Japanese is probably a good one to get hung up on, though, and certainly better than the other popular alternative.

Plus, like disco in Russia, anime has taken the west by storm. It's an interesting thing to see and the long term effect it has on American culture is probably going to be pretty strong. But that's okay. Japan owes os one for giving them Christmas..... and for that other thing that probably wasn't nearly as much fun.

As for the Yin-Yang, yeah, it's cool. Where did it come from, though, and what else happened to me that night that I don't remember? At least I don't remember ever waking up with a limp.

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Devious původně napsal:

You're stating a whole lot of things, just not backing any of it up with anything logical or even rational. Essentially, you're making the "because I say so" argument and crutching it by saying the same thing over and over so I'd be careful about who I accuse of making of a fool of themself if I were you.

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

ROFLwut? původně napsal:

Lost "N" Spaced původně napsal:

She trans-raced and trans-cultured, Sounds like a very modern progressive thing to do thesedays. Have you got a thing against ♥♥♥♥♥♥'s or something?

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Depends. We talking about stick shift or automatic here? Or one of those creepy selective ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Cuz those really weird me out, man.

Yes sound like you do have a bit of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ phobia. Just grip that stick hard and give it a good pull and listen to the happy sound the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ makes.

[Kris]

Typically when I see cultural appropriation, it's associated with white people and using elements of Native American or African American culture. I know there are more, but these are the ones I personally witness the most. The main argument I see is that white people get away with it, meaning white people are accepted when they do something that is unacceptable for people of color. For instance, a black person with natural hair or dreads may be looked down on, while a white person would be called quirky and unique - in a good way. As for the Native Americans, well they've been stepped on a lot throughout history unfortunately, so it makes sense that they'd be upset when their culture is stereotyped and sexualized for costume parties.

[ROFLpl0x]

Lost "N" Spaced původně napsal:

ROFLwut? původně napsal:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Depends. We talking about stick shift or automatic here? Or one of those creepy selective ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Cuz those really weird me out, man.

Yes sound like you do have a bit of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ phobia. Just grip that stick hard and give it a good pull and listen to the happy sound the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ makes.

I'm not falling for that again.

[JobeGardener]

I think the term you are looking for is culture vulture hater.

[ψ -No.23-]

Wow, I was scared this would get a lot of hate, it seems like the far left media has skewed my vision lmao

[pants]

Proto původně napsal:

Wow, I was scared this would get a lot of hate, it seems like the far left media has skewed my vision lmao

that'll be because forums promote longer-form actual thought out discussion and debate, whereas LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE and glorious ad-bucks don't. don't get your thoughts skewed by the medium (the internet, and media in general, which are terrible)

yours comradely,
a radical leftist, who goes outside into the fresh air and synthesises vitamin d from sunlight instead of sitting around posting about his identity on a blogging service

[BanOphobia My Struggle]

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Proto původně napsal:

Wow, I was scared this would get a lot of hate, it seems like the far left media has skewed my vision lmao

that'll be because forums promote longer-form actual thought out discussion and debate, whereas LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE and glorious ad-bucks don't. don't get your thoughts skewed by the medium (the internet, and media in general, which are terrible)

yours comradely,
a radical leftist, who goes outside into the fresh air and synthesises vitamin d from sunlight instead of sitting around posting about his identity on a blogging service

Cosplay or larping or both?

[pants]

Lost "N" Spaced původně napsal:

thank you původně napsal:

that'll be because forums promote longer-form actual thought out discussion and debate, whereas LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE and glorious ad-bucks don't. don't get your thoughts skewed by the medium (the internet, and media in general, which are terrible)

yours comradely,
a radical leftist, who goes outside into the fresh air and synthesises vitamin d from sunlight instead of sitting around posting about his identity on a blogging service

Cosplay or larping or both?

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