the problems with denuvo

[Get out there]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjhjRy10-Lc

[SpaceNinja88]

Originalmente postado por Cynic:

A really huge percentage of people that would have bought it would be like "Hey I can just get it for free" And they do.

I'm glad you said "a really huge percentage of people" instead of "everyone". I belong into the small remaining percentage.

I've bought several games after pirating them. I've bought several games on disc (no Steam version for them at all) after pirating them. I'm going to mention a few examples:

- 7554
- Operation: Matriarchy (which, since, received a Steam version as well)
- F1 2013 (pulled from Steam, had to buy the game this way as I don't have a current-gen console or an X360/PS3 which it is on)
- Robocop 2003 (which I had to crack to play due to Tages, the DRM on the disc, not supporting Windows 7)
- Übersoldier (not the second one - this one is actually in a big box as well)

There are even more but those are worse or even more obscure games (listing a few off the top of my head: Revolution, Gene Troopers, Boiling Point Road to Hell, Ride to Hell Retribution (I have it on disc, too, not just on Steam), Made Man, etc.)

I even got games on disc that already are on Steam:
- Stalin Subway 2
- Life is Strange Limited Edition
- Timeshift
- Darkest of Days
- Rogue Warrior
- Alekhine's Gun
etc.

You might say that over half of these is old and/or terrible, and you are right. They are. Yet, I acquired a copy of them even though I could have just said "Hey I can just get it for free". I do this out of principle, and even though the devs, who might already be out of business along with even the publishers, get no money out of it, I still bought a copy regardless.

(Which can also backfire, too - Starforce is another notorious DRM, which is basically making games unplayable on Windows 7 or higher. Securom, from what I heard, is outright impossible on Windows 10. But back to my point: Chrome Specforce. Bought on disc. Installed it. Boom, Starforce. I'm locked out of the game because of DRM, even though the company still exists - I contacted them, only to get a Google translated response from their help page that is irrelevant!)

I spent money on getting the game. You could say: piracy actually generated revenue, even if it was for a middle-man, and not for the developer/publisher. (For old games, it's simply an issue which I admit, but what can you do if the game is never coming to Steam and the devs are gone?)

I also own a PlayStation 2, and I also buy games for it. These are also used games most of the time, but the console itself is 18 years old, and finding games for it sealed would cost a fortune. (Especially if it's a launch title like Driving Emotion Type-S.)

I have the money to buy Mega Man 11, and as I said in another topic: the moment it gets rid of Denuvo, I'll buy it. You have my word for it.

[WolfEisberg]

Originalmente postado por KayJay:

Originalmente postado por BitSlash:

And your story has nothing to do with what I said; Denuvo has still been cracked before~

It has. Also Denuvo never gets cracked, only bypassed. Pirated versions still run Denuvo.
The point is, how long does it take for games to get available to piracy. With default Steam DRM, games are available for filthy pirates 5-15 minutes after launch but with Denuvo, most titles are only available to pirates long after I already completed the game and moved on thus, I don't need to share the same gaming experience at the same time with filthy children who think they deserve getting games for free.

So you support anti consumer practices because of a childish need you have?

[BitSlash]

Originalmente postado por KayJay:

It has. Also Denuvo never gets cracked, only bypassed. Pirated versions still run Denuvo.
The point is, how long does it take for games to get available to piracy. With default Steam DRM, games are available for filthy pirates 5-15 minutes after launch but with Denuvo, most titles are only available to pirates long after I already completed the game and moved on thus, I don't need to share the same gaming experience at the same time with filthy children pirates who think they deserve getting games for free while legit consumers pay.

Pirates run a CRACKED version of Denuvo to bypass the security check, you dunce~

That is why they call it a CRACK~

Seriously, do you even research your topic thoughly before you comment???

[KayJay]

Originalmente postado por BitSlash:

Originalmente postado por KayJay:

It has. Also Denuvo never gets cracked, only bypassed. Pirated versions still run Denuvo.
The point is, how long does it take for games to get available to piracy. With default Steam DRM, games are available for filthy pirates 5-15 minutes after launch but with Denuvo, most titles are only available to pirates long after I already completed the game and moved on thus, I don't need to share the same gaming experience at the same time with filthy children pirates who think they deserve getting games for free while legit consumers pay.

Pirates run a CRACKED version of Denuvo to bypass the security check, you dunce~

That is why they call it a CRACK~

Seriously, do you even research your topic thoughly before you comment???

By "crack", people would assume that Denuvo has been removed in the pirate versions which is wrong. I've already read some accounts bragging about downloading pirate versions so they "don't have to install malware Denuvo" on various steam boards while they still get Denuvo on their PC which they call malware (additional to the actual real malware stuff they get from piracy sites & downloads) and thus debunks them as hypocrites who abuse the word "Denuvo" just so they can pretend to justify their piracy actions. Get over it.

[BitSlash]

Originalmente postado por KayJay:

By" crack", people would assume that it's been removed in the pirate versions which is wrong. I've already read some accounts bragging about downloading pirate versions so they "don't have to install malware Denuvo" while they still get Denuvo on their PC which they call malware (additional to the actual real malware stuff they get from piracy sites & downloads). Get over it.

Stop changing the terms to mean whatever you want them to mean, you silly person~

"Crack" means "crack"; it doesn't mean "removed".

Also, stop making assumptions about what terms mean too.

Do the proper research and educate yourself on the matter instead making up your own definitions of terms~

Get over your own ignorance, so that you can stop making you look more stupid than you have already presented~

[KayJay]

You are the ignorant account in here and you don't even see it.

"you dunce~"
"you silly person~"
"look more stupid than you have already presented~"

These are quotes from you. That is your quality of discussion.

Low level class quality because his "arguments" got countered. It almost seems like he got triggered when someone judges pirates, kind of suspicious?

[BitSlash]

Originalmente postado por KayJay:

You are the ignorant account in here and you don't even see it.

"you dunce~"
"you silly person~"
"look more stupid than you have already presented~"

These are quotes from you. That is your quality of discussion.

Low level class quality because his "arguments" got countered. It almost seems like he got triggered when someone judges pirates, kind of suspicious?

The only thing that you have "countered" is my patience.

You have proven to be misinformed, manipulative, and discredited.

I will waste no more time on you because you are the WORST type of Denuvo supporter:

An Uneducated One

[KayJay]

Originalmente postado por BitSlash:

Originalmente postado por KayJay:

You are the ignorant account in here and you don't even see it.

"you dunce~"
"you silly person~"
"look more stupid than you have already presented~"

These are quotes from you. That is your quality of discussion.

Low level class quality because his "arguments" got countered. It almost seems like he got triggered when someone judges pirates, kind of suspicious?

The only thing that you have "countered" is my patience.

You have proven to be misinformed, manipulative, and discredited.

I will waste no more time on you because you are the WORST type of Denuvo supporter:

An Uneducated One

You are wrong:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/742300/discussions/0/2747650363467761282/?ctp=4#c1732089092438660051
https://steamcommunity.com/app/742300/discussions/0/2747650363467761282/?ctp=5#c1732089092438709218

[Phade]

And yet, the game currently has 'very positive' reviews, showing that the concern about denuvo is completely unfounded.

[TheQuestion]

Originalmente postado por BitSlash:

Originalmente postado por Cynic:

I think you misunderstood my position here
I have 0 interest in supporting Denuvo
I am interested in supporting game developers
You're a user with 42 games on your account so I am guessing you're not a fan of support developers like me so we'll probably never see eye to eye

How elitist of you~
"You only have 42 games; I'm better than you because my game inventory is SO LARGE; ho, ho, ho"

If this snarky insult is any hint of your character as a person; I wouldn't want to see eye-to-eye with a person like you~

Originalmente postado por Cynic:

And since you like to make assumptions here is one , you probably hate denuvo because you don't get to pirate your upcoming games on day one so you try to make other claims and pretend you have a reason to hate it.

Actually, I hate Denuvo because of the reasons that I previously stated~

BUT HEY, just conveniently ignore all that information in order to fit your narrative~

Originalmente postado por Cynic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

has a list of games that had denuvo and removed it because the devs felt they no longer needed it
yeah this happens and will continue to happen.

If you choose to not support denuvo I support your position, I don't agree but I understand but constantly having to comment on every new game as "DENUV OMGOGOEGMOM" doesn't work
I promise you every new game release we see the "ugh ...someone made that denuvo thread" it doesn't even put a dent on the game's sales because 99% of those complaining about denuvo are MOST LIKELY not even going to buy the game anyway and just wants a free pirated game

Developers have the right to protect their product just like you have the right to not buy it, if you want to come up with a new way to protect games then by all means make your own platform that wont go one day offline like what you're saying.

Hey, buddy, I never said developers COULDN'T protect their products.

All I want is a form of DRM protection that isn't as INEFFICIENT as Denuvo.

You think that you can try to process that fact without creating another misunderstanding?

What the helll is wrong with you?

[Bogan]

Originalmente postado por Dungeon Rogue:

Originalmente postado por BitSlash:

I already know what Denuvo's purpose is; it is a DRM, that is not my problem.

My problem is that Denuvo is the type of DRM that can lock me out of my purchased product just because of a fault in their system's design; that fault has nothing to do with me.

You think that it is ok to get locked out of your own product just because Denuvo feels likes it or if there is an Internet Blackout you can connect to Denuvo's servers?

These scenarios CAN happen and when they happen it is the legitimate customer, who paid with their hard-earned money, that is screwed; not the pirates.

For me, there is NO justification for DRM implementation like that; absolutely NONE!

I will NEVER support Denuvo as long as they implement DRM like this, which unfortunately involves not purchasing Mega Man 11 until Denvo is removed from it.

When has denuvo locked people out of their games?

Also, if you hate DRM so much, perhaps you shouldn't be on Steam as it is DRM also. If Steam goes down or is hacked etc. You can't play any of your games.

Yes you can it's called Steam offline mode

[CheeseBoar]

Originalmente postado por Dungeon Rogue:

Originalmente postado por BitSlash:

I already know what Denuvo's purpose is; it is a DRM, that is not my problem.

My problem is that Denuvo is the type of DRM that can lock me out of my purchased product just because of a fault in their system's design; that fault has nothing to do with me.

You think that it is ok to get locked out of your own product just because Denuvo feels likes it or if there is an Internet Blackout you can connect to Denuvo's servers?

These scenarios CAN happen and when they happen it is the legitimate customer, who paid with their hard-earned money, that is screwed; not the pirates.

For me, there is NO justification for DRM implementation like that; absolutely NONE!

I will NEVER support Denuvo as long as they implement DRM like this, which unfortunately involves not purchasing Mega Man 11 until Denvo is removed from it.

When has denuvo locked people out of their games?

Also, if you hate DRM so much, perhaps you shouldn't be on Steam as it is DRM also. If Steam goes down or is hacked etc. You can't play any of your games.

Denuvo has locked people out of their games plenty of times:

https://i.imgur.com/QXymawX.jpg

https://content.invisioncic.com/Msigames/monthly_2016_10/img.jpg.a577e2f05d6fd20259d662f028f3e280.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fJApaPXdBDk/WeHno4E_tMI/AAAAAAAACvQ/TDU6DtHBVVI7g_FsBfV5GloY2MXJMadVwCLcBGAs/s1600/Image1.jpg

Not to mention when WB was having issues recently, locking everyone out of all their Denuvo-laden games.

Also, Steam and Denuvo aren't even remotely the same. Denuvo forces a game to be tied to a server for authentication, while Steam's Offline Mode is indefinite, and the client and all of your licenses and credentials are completely portable. Valve could go out of business in the middle of typing this reply, and every game that I have downloaded and backed up would work in Offline Mode forever; you can't be 100% certain that a game with Denuvo will start 10 minutes from now.

[Rezonus]

Originalmente postado por Cynic:

So lets say this game doesn't have Denuvo
its released at the EXACT TIME of its steam release you'll already see it on pirated websites...hell sometimes it will be way before that "maybe 3 days before"

A really huge percentage of people that would have bought it would be like "Hey I can just get it for free" And they do.

It doesn't work like that.

If people intended to buy the game they arent suddenly going to change there minds just because the game was made available for free by pirates.

[XZero]

Originalmente postado por Phade:

And yet, the game currently has 'very positive' reviews, showing that the concern about denuvo is completely unfounded.

"Completely," because some people not encountering a problem [yet] means "no one can possibly encounter these problems" when translated to "troll logic."

[Uni]

Lol people are still complaining about denuvo?