Cleverhardy (She/Her) 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 5:39
(News and Opinion) So a person committed suicide due to horrors of Doki Doki
A BBC News programme recently involved a few people trying to argue about Doki Doki being the cause of a teenager's scuicide. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-44644127/doki-doki-warnings-over-suicide-themed-video-game

Now, I guess the parents didn't monitor their gaming properly, because the suicide victim might not have taken the warnings seriously. There are people saying the BBC are trying to give Doki Doki a bad reputation, because this is a point where media can influence anything. However, this is a fact: the BBC are not politically biased that much, and the opinions of the victims do not represent that of BBC News. It isn't the BBC attacking the game. It's a victim who didn't parent properly. And it might be the host. But don't let it tarnish the BBC itself, alongside Team Salvanto's message of Doki Doki Literature Club.

This is Cleverhardy saying: My condolences go to the person who committed suicide due to the horrors he faced.
最後修改者:Cleverhardy (She/Her); 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 5:39
引用自 eclipse:
(Rant warning, sorry, I just need to get this whole thing off my chest)

Gimme a damn break. There are warnings on the official website, there are warnings on the Steam Store, there are warnings every time you boot up the game. It is not targeted towards kids in the slightest. In any situation where a kid is playing a game not made for kids and their parents aren't monitoring their child's computer usage, you can't blame the developers. If parents would give a single damn about the ratings on games, were more concerned about how their kids indulge in entertainment, we wouldn't have this issue. The struggle for the old generation to get with the new is seriously creating some problems.

Back in the early days of video games, this same argument on games being unsuitable for kids happened for a legitimate reason. Long story short, the ESRB was created for adults who were concerned about what content their kids are seeing, because parents just bought whatever their kids wanted off the shelves and then whined about their kids seeing bad stuff when they didn't use better judgement by the title, cover art, and back description.

Free games go under the radar these days, they don't need an official rating because they're not being sold for profit, since most are distributed through Steam, or on official download sites. That's why Team Salvato made several of their own warnings. Adults across the world made such a huge stink out of slapping ratings on games, and now, nobody even cares to look at the ratings and warnings anymore, do they? It's as irrelevant as End User License Agreements, because nobody reads them anymore. Again, parents just buy whatever off the shelves for their kids like the ESRB doesn't even exist. But the media somehow still spins this as video games being a bad influence for kids and that they should be censored. We had this argument years ago, adults have nobody to blame now except themselves. Do we need the ratings and warnings to take up the entirety of a video game box, or every inch given to a game on a Steam Store page?

Take a look at the rating and save yourself the trouble. Maybe your kid won't suicide because of your ignorance. It literally takes a few moments to check the box through and through, or see what your kid wants to buy on the Steam Store, and judge whether or not your kid should play it. Maybe a "This game is not suitable for children or those who are easily disturbed" is vague, but use common sense with that warning. Teenage years are the most vulnerable times of a child's mind. Maybe those parents didn't know what was going on with them. Maybe the kid was so good at hiding whatever was going on underneath. But I don't think a video game should be blamed for the prior mental health of a player. Don't be like those parents. Be responsible, it's your job as a parent to keep your child safe, happy, and stable, until they can support themselves completely as adults. Socialize with your child as much as you can, make sure they get the help they need when they need it. That's your job.

P.S. Edit: I'm just ranting, I know this is a super long thing to read but I'm tired of seeing media scrutinize games when the warning signs are glaring right in their faces. And they don't even see it. Parents are becoming more and more aware of what games their kid should be playing and that's good. But not every parent, because we still have this happening, we still have the FPS sqeakers and GTA V toddlers, for example. It's getting worse as the old generation fades actually, modern parents might actually care less about this than older parents do.
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Cleverhardy (She/Her) 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:08 
引用自 Rango
引用自 Proudhardy
the BBC are usually careful with the sources
So fanny joke.
Usually. The reports are not opinionated (unless it's under opinion), and the sources can be used to promote both --

#gun click from mods#

Thanks for reminding Me!
Alaskan Catfish Hike 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:15 
引用自 Rango
Yeah blame a powerpoint slide presentation with edgy anime girls
Rather than the parents
The kid clearly already had issues
No one wants to take responsibility for anything anymore. If it weren’t Doki Doki, it would have been something else.
Cleverhardy (She/Her) 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:16 
Also, if in the video you see the host talk like she doesn't know about the game, I feel her. I'd say it was a childlike game too if I didn't understand what a VN was.
Cleverhardy (She/Her) 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:16 
引用自 Tessa P. DeHart
引用自 Rango
Yeah blame a powerpoint slide presentation with edgy anime girls
Rather than the parents
The kid clearly already had issues
No one wants to take responsibility for anything anymore. If it weren’t Doki Doki, it would have been something else.
Yep. Like the lack of monitoring.
Mikasa Ackerman 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:17 
引用自 Tessa P. DeHart
引用自 Rango
Yeah blame a powerpoint slide presentation with edgy anime girls
Rather than the parents
The kid clearly already had issues
No one wants to take responsibility for anything anymore. If it weren’t Doki Doki, it would have been something else.

so true , the german tv channels usually made wow and counter strike seem like things made by satan himself ( the hartz iv teenager who couldnt go to tests because he was in a children clan that did raids in the morning , or a counter strike documentary thats just incorrect and full of bs
Florida Man 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:27 
引用自 Tessa P. DeHart
No one wants to take responsibility for anything anymore. If it weren’t Doki Doki, it would have been something else.

so true , the german tv channels usually made wow and counter strike seem like things made by satan himself ( the hartz iv teenager who couldnt go to tests because he was in a children clan that did raids in the morning , or a counter strike documentary thats just incorrect and full of bs
Ahhh, Germans. Always diligently at work indoctrinating their people. :^)
psychotron666 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:39 
Bahahaha BBC are not politically biased?! Bahahaha.

Good satire there bro
Cleverhardy (She/Her) 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:40 
引用自 psychotron666
Bahahaha BBC are not politically biased?! Bahahaha.

Good satire there bro
This is serious. They tell neutral stories and say opinions where ne--

#gun click#

Your opinion.
LifelessHawk 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 8:07 
It did have a warning at the beginning of the game, and the games states it as horror twice, one as psychological horror, and the other as regular horror. If you looked at the reviews, it gives insight to what type of game it is, with comments like "I should have read the tags. I should have read the tags. I should have read the tags. I have images in my head. Why? What could I have done? Confort me, lone stranger. For I can no longer live like this" ,and the other comment "this game gave me anxiety". There are things way worse than this that he could have watched, because this game is pretty mild in terms of physiological horror. If he killed himself over this, then he probably would have done it even if this game never existed. I doubt that this game is the sole reason of his demise, if I am right then his parents should have done something to help him. Unlike the show 13 reasons why, which didn't have a warning, and was terrible help to people who watched the show who had depression, because researcher found that people who watched any form of suicide, was more prone to suicide, then those who didn't see the suicide. This game isn't to help people who are depressed, but it also isn't made to be played by people who are affected by depression, and gives many warning to those who do play. There isn't much that the Devs could have done to prevent such a thing from happening. Before you can even view the game page where you download it, it gives you a warning with a list of all of it's tags.
最後修改者:LifelessHawk; 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 8:21
ErickaUnlimited 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 8:27 
It's in no way the fault of the game. What a stupid article.
Amuro0079 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 8:57 
I don't even know what Doki Doki is until I googled now. So its very hard for me to try and give a damn.
secuda 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 9:08 
In 2018 i would have think we would get ridd of these kind of news articles. oh well.
Azza ☠ 2018 年 6 月 30 日 下午 9:12 
R.I.P.

However, scapegoating a video game isn't going to help here. It's hardly the root cause, and unless your already in that state of mind wouldn't affect you. Just wish he had another outlet or something to talk to.
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eclipse 2018 年 8 月 7 日 下午 7:43 
(Rant warning, sorry, I just need to get this whole thing off my chest)

Gimme a damn break. There are warnings on the official website, there are warnings on the Steam Store, there are warnings every time you boot up the game. It is not targeted towards kids in the slightest. In any situation where a kid is playing a game not made for kids and their parents aren't monitoring their child's computer usage, you can't blame the developers. If parents would give a single damn about the ratings on games, were more concerned about how their kids indulge in entertainment, we wouldn't have this issue. The struggle for the old generation to get with the new is seriously creating some problems.

Back in the early days of video games, this same argument on games being unsuitable for kids happened for a legitimate reason. Long story short, the ESRB was created for adults who were concerned about what content their kids are seeing, because parents just bought whatever their kids wanted off the shelves and then whined about their kids seeing bad stuff when they didn't use better judgement by the title, cover art, and back description.

Free games go under the radar these days, they don't need an official rating because they're not being sold for profit, since most are distributed through Steam, or on official download sites. That's why Team Salvato made several of their own warnings. Adults across the world made such a huge stink out of slapping ratings on games, and now, nobody even cares to look at the ratings and warnings anymore, do they? It's as irrelevant as End User License Agreements, because nobody reads them anymore. Again, parents just buy whatever off the shelves for their kids like the ESRB doesn't even exist. But the media somehow still spins this as video games being a bad influence for kids and that they should be censored. We had this argument years ago, adults have nobody to blame now except themselves. Do we need the ratings and warnings to take up the entirety of a video game box, or every inch given to a game on a Steam Store page?

Take a look at the rating and save yourself the trouble. Maybe your kid won't suicide because of your ignorance. It literally takes a few moments to check the box through and through, or see what your kid wants to buy on the Steam Store, and judge whether or not your kid should play it. Maybe a "This game is not suitable for children or those who are easily disturbed" is vague, but use common sense with that warning. Teenage years are the most vulnerable times of a child's mind. Maybe those parents didn't know what was going on with them. Maybe the kid was so good at hiding whatever was going on underneath. But I don't think a video game should be blamed for the prior mental health of a player. Don't be like those parents. Be responsible, it's your job as a parent to keep your child safe, happy, and stable, until they can support themselves completely as adults. Socialize with your child as much as you can, make sure they get the help they need when they need it. That's your job.

P.S. Edit: I'm just ranting, I know this is a super long thing to read but I'm tired of seeing media scrutinize games when the warning signs are glaring right in their faces. And they don't even see it. Parents are becoming more and more aware of what games their kid should be playing and that's good. But not every parent, because we still have this happening, we still have the FPS sqeakers and GTA V toddlers, for example. It's getting worse as the old generation fades actually, modern parents might actually care less about this than older parents do.
最後修改者:eclipse; 2018 年 8 月 7 日 下午 7:56
Cleverhardy (She/Her) 2018 年 8 月 8 日 上午 6:30 
引用自 Jotaro Kujo
(Rant warning, sorry, I just need to get this whole thing off my chest)

Gimme a damn break. There are warnings on the official website, there are warnings on the Steam Store, there are warnings every time you boot up the game. It is not targeted towards kids in the slightest. In any situation where a kid is playing a game not made for kids and their parents aren't monitoring their child's computer usage, you can't blame the developers. If parents would give a single damn about the ratings on games, were more concerned about how their kids indulge in entertainment, we wouldn't have this issue. The struggle for the old generation to get with the new is seriously creating some problems.

Back in the early days of video games, this same argument on games being unsuitable for kids happened for a legitimate reason. Long story short, the ESRB was created for adults who were concerned about what content their kids are seeing, because parents just bought whatever their kids wanted off the shelves and then whined about their kids seeing bad stuff when they didn't use better judgement by the title, cover art, and back description.

Free games go under the radar these days, they don't need an official rating because they're not being sold for profit, since most are distributed through Steam, or on official download sites. That's why Team Salvato made several of their own warnings. Adults across the world made such a huge stink out of slapping ratings on games, and now, nobody even cares to look at the ratings and warnings anymore, do they? It's as irrelevant as End User License Agreements, because nobody reads them anymore. Again, parents just buy whatever off the shelves for their kids like the ESRB doesn't even exist. But the media somehow still spins this as video games being a bad influence for kids and that they should be censored. We had this argument years ago, adults have nobody to blame now except themselves. Do we need the ratings and warnings to take up the entirety of a video game box, or every inch given to a game on a Steam Store page?

Take a look at the rating and save yourself the trouble. Maybe your kid won't suicide because of your ignorance. It literally takes a few moments to check the box through and through, or see what your kid wants to buy on the Steam Store, and judge whether or not your kid should play it. Maybe a "This game is not suitable for children or those who are easily disturbed" is vague, but use common sense with that warning. Teenage years are the most vulnerable times of a child's mind. Maybe those parents didn't know what was going on with them. Maybe the kid was so good at hiding whatever was going on underneath. But I don't think a video game should be blamed for the prior mental health of a player. Don't be like those parents. Be responsible, it's your job as a parent to keep your child safe, happy, and stable, until they can support themselves completely as adults. Socialize with your child as much as you can, make sure they get the help they need when they need it. That's your job.

P.S. Edit: I'm just ranting, I know this is a super long thing to read but I'm tired of seeing media scrutinize games when the warning signs are glaring right in their faces. And they don't even see it. Parents are becoming more and more aware of what games their kid should be playing and that's good. But not every parent, because we still have this happening, we still have the FPS sqeakers and GTA V toddlers, for example. It's getting worse as the old generation fades actually, modern parents might actually care less about this than older parents do.
As much of a necro as it was, I have pinned your answer, because you have the biggest probable reason why Doki Doki wasn't monitored. It had no rating, it looked like a cute VN, and the warnings were not taken seriously.

And I agree with you about the ESRB thing. Parents who do not follow the ratings systems are responsible for kids playing Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, all M rated games that are trendy. If we do not touch ratings in school, then soon, children will lose their innocence too soon.
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