Whatever happened to Cell's timeline?

[SabaraOne]

Not really Xenoverse related, but here goes.
So, I was watching Kai, and I got to the part where Cell's time machine is discovered,and it made me thinkg of something I'd never thought of before (Or if I did, my glitchy memory lost it.) We know a lot about Future Trunks's timeline, but what about Cells?

Here's how I know Cell isn't from the same timeline as Future Trunks:

• When he returned to the future after the Games, Future Trunks killed Cell.
  
• Had Future Cell kiled Future Trunks after his return (Which we know didn't happen) the "Future" Trunks saga of Super wouldn't have happened and the Zero Mortals Plan would have been accomplished without any problems

So, I wonder, this means that the Cell we see came from a third timeline. I still need to do a bit of work to figure out the relationship between all thse lines (It's five in the morning and my brain is fried, otherwise I'd have already figured it out,) but the question still stands. What happened to Cell's timeline and why do we never hear about it?

EDIT: Okay, got the initial question out, so I'm working otu the timelines. I'm writing this as I go along, so bewar with me. So we have the first timeline. This is identical to Future Trunks's timeline until Trunks's return. Goku dies, Androids take over, Trunks goes back, returns,and kills Androids. After he kills the Androids, Cell comes, kills Trunks (Presumably. I think this is addressed in the show, but I haven't gotten that far into the show yet and Team Four Star aren't exactly reliable narrators.) After killing Trunks, Cell goes back in time one year before Frieza arrives on Earth.
The first Trunks going back creates a second timeline. I'm just guessing, since as far as I know there's no information on this one, but I speculate that in this timeline 17 and 18 appear instead of 19 and 20, and after this it becomes too unpredictable fore me to reliably state. Maybe the Z-Warriors win, maybe the Androids don't. Hell, maybe this is the FighterZ timeline, but I doubt it, I just don't know enough yet, but most likely FighterZ is a timeline out of scope of this posting. I'm not keeping up with the rumors as well as I should. Anotehr option for what happens in this timeline is that 19 and 20 appear and are defeated by Vageta and the others before 16, 17, and 18 are activated.
At this point we get to Future Trunks's timeline. We know his timeline backwards and forwards. goes back in time, meets the others, Cell from timeline 1 appears and is defeated. Trunks comes back ot this timeline and defeats the Androids and Future Cell. Until Trunks goes back in time nad interacts with the Androids and Cell this timeline is identical to Timeline 1. Along wit this we have the main timeline the series focuses on.
I'm surethere's some big hole in my logic somewhere, but I'm too fried to figure out what it is. Feel free to point out what it is.

[BioMatter]

There are 4 timelines.

The first to focus on is one where Trunks arrives and informs the Z-Fighters about the Androids but the Android Saga takes place without future Cell’s interference. This leads to the Z-Fighters ending up defeating the Androids by using the remote control to deactivate them that Bulma makes from Dr Gero’s blueprints.

The second timeline is Future Cell’s. In this one, the previously mentioned Trunks returns to his future and uses the control from the past to deactivate the androids in his time. Their deactivation is why Cell has to kill Trunks and take the time machine to absorb them in the past. Since they had the remote control to defeat 17 and 18, Trunks never goes into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and is weak enough for Imperfect Cell to defeat.

The third timeline is the one we follow in the Android Saga, with the Z-Fighters fighting Future Cell.

The fourth timeline is the future connected to the Future Trunks from the third timeline.

[Parsnip]

Damn, time is a messy thing to ♥♥♥♥ with. No wonder the Supreme Kai of Time decided to make him work for her.

[SabaraOne]

Oh, it actually gets better. Something Cell says while talking to Piccolo implies tha tFuture Trunks interfiered in his timeline, so thta adds even more to the mix! Would have factored that in last night but I hadn't gotten that far yet.

[BioMatter]

Originally posted by SabaraOne:

Oh, it actually gets better. Something Cell says while talking to Piccolo implies tha tFuture Trunks interfiered in his timeline, so thta adds even more to the mix! Would have factored that in last night but I hadn't gotten that far yet.

That is the second timeline I mentioned.

[SabaraOne]

Originally posted by BioMatter:

That is the second timeline I mentioned.

Actually, I don't think it is. The wording Cell used implied that Future Trunks came back in time into his timeline, however, the same conversation implied that Trunks was in the future when Cell stole the Time Machine.

EDIT: Wow, just occured to me that the Dragon Ball timeline/multiverse is even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up than Star Trek! And that's not including movies and What-if scenarios (Aside from Xenoverse and 2)

[Vexov]

In DBS, doesn't the Kai show there is like 4-5 rings with alternate time lines?. Also, i think there were 2 special rings in that box or they were used for time traveling.

[SabaraOne]

Originally posted by Vexov:

In DBS, doesn't the Kai show there is like 4-5 rings with alternate time lines?. Also, i think there were 2 special rings in that box or they were used for time traveling.

That I don't know. Either you're talking about something that hasn't been aired in English yet or something before Universe 6/7, which is when I started watching.

[BioMatter]

Originally posted by SabaraOne:

Originally posted by BioMatter:

That is the second timeline I mentioned.

Actually, I don't think it is. The wording Cell used implied that Future Trunks came back in time into his timeline, however, the same conversation implied that Trunks was in the future when Cell stole the Time Machine.

EDIT: Wow, just occured to me that the Dragon Ball timeline/multiverse is even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up than Star Trek! And that's not including movies and What-if scenarios (Aside from Xenoverse and 2)

Could you provide any sort of link that refutes what I said? I don't mean to be rude, but I'm pretty confident there are four timelines so I don't see where you're getting this new one from.

[Codester]

Originally posted by BioMatter:

Originally posted by SabaraOne:

Actually, I don't think it is. The wording Cell used implied that Future Trunks came back in time into his timeline, however, the same conversation implied that Trunks was in the future when Cell stole the Time Machine.

EDIT: Wow, just occured to me that the Dragon Ball timeline/multiverse is even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up than Star Trek! And that's not including movies and What-if scenarios (Aside from Xenoverse and 2)

Could you provide any sort of link that refutes what I said? I don't mean to be rude, but I'm pretty confident there are four timelines so I don't see where you're getting this new one from.

There is only 4 he's grasping at straws.

[SabaraOne]

Originally posted by BioMatter:

Could you provide any sort of link that refutes what I said? I don't mean to be rude, but I'm pretty confident there are four timelines so I don't see where you're getting this new one from.

I don't have a link unfortunately (Unless you can find an episode transcript somewhere, and I can't) but from DBZ Kai Episode 70 (Season 3: DVD 3)

This is during the scene after Cell has draiend Piccolo's arm and is explaining his origin. Put in spoilerspace since I'm including exact wording.

Piccolo: Hmph. From all the way back then? Well I suppose that explains why your Kamehameha technique was so pathetic.
Cell: There's more. We were also fortunate enough to gather cells from Frieza and his father during their brief stay on Earth, incorperating their powers as well. We could have easily aqquire the cells of the boy Trunks at the same time, but the computer determined we had already taken enough Saiyan cells

This establishes that this cell is from your timeline 1.

Skip forward a couple minutes while Cell explains the bug bots, larval stage, four years from larval to imperfect, etc.

Cell: Explaining the requirements to reach perfection. I have the full line on request, but decided to remove it to reduce the already considerable wall o text The ones I need are two of Dr. Gero's other creatoins, Androids 17 and 18.
Piccolo: What!? flashbacks of the Androids
Cell: However, in the future I come from, these Androids no longer exist, Trunks had somehow managed to defeat them both, thwarting my quest for perfectoin before it even began.but luckly for me, Trunks already had a time machine ripe for the taking. Cell approaches Future Trunks, sword falls to the ground Once thta meddling fool was out of the way my search could continue and I used his time machine to travel bakc to the past where my prey still thrived.
Cell reverts and uses the time machine before burrowing underground
Piccolo: But why would you choose to go back so far?
Cell: Who can say? Trunks had already set the destination for the Time Machine, all I had to do was push a button.
Piccolo thinks that most likely Truns had destroyed teh Androids in his time and decided to come back to celebrate when Cell showed up, Since this comes from a character not form Cell's timeline, it cannot be taken as fact, in fact I think he may be wrong, but I'lll get to that in a minute.

This pretty well establishes Cell is from Timeline 2, since how and why would Future Trunks even be in timeline 1's future? Piccolo's guess that Trunks was gong backto celebrate with his past friends, while logical, also leaves a hole open: Why would the time machine be set back so far? I see three explanations for this.

• Piccolo is correct. Trunks decided to go back to celebrate, however, either he misremembered tje destination time, had not yet completed destination input, or Cell accidently changed the destinatin while entering and activating the machine. Any way the outcome ist he same.
  
• While they were on the cargo plane, Yancha (If I remember right, it may have been one of the others) proposes that Trunks go back further to prevent 17 and 18's awakening. Maybe that other Future Trunks was given or indipendently came up with the same idea and went to implement it.
  
• Oversight on the part of someone on the production end. Most likely, but the first two are fun to think about.

Of course the point is, the same episode gives conflicting evidence that Cell came from two different timelines, making it possible that any prediciton about the Dragon Ball multiverse outside of "Future Trunks timeline, our timeline, and after that it gets just too messed up to predict" impossible.

Acutally, while I was writing that last sentance, I came up wit hthis one. Basing off of your four timelines, in timeline 2 (Future Trunks before Cell's intervention) Trunks goes back to Timeline 1. For whatever reason, in timeline 1, the Z-fighters are unable to defeat 17 and 18, setting up for history to repat itself. Timeline 1 Future Trunks goes back, creating another (irrelevant) timeline which plays out similar to the current timeline. Timeline 1 Trunks comes back, defeats his Androids, and then enter Cell. I'm not proposing it as viable because it's pretty ridiculous even by my standards, but just thought I'd tos it out there for the laughs.

[Mike]

Whatever happened to the Transilvania Twist ????

[SabaraOne]

Originally posted by Mike:

Whatever happened to the Transilvania Twist ????

I'm looking that up now, but is that an unreliable narrator variant?
EDIT: Okay, having read the plot summary on wikipedia, it's somethign I'm gong to find a chance to watch, but I don't see how it's relavent?

[Mike]

Originally posted by SabaraOne:

Originally posted by Mike:

Whatever happened to the Transilvania Twist ????

I'm looking that up now, but is that an unreliable narrator variant?
EDIT: Okay, having read the plot summary on wikipedia, it's somethign I'm gong to find a chance to watch, but I don't see how it's relavent?

But can Cell do the Monster Mash ???

[Nadia]

Originally posted by SabaraOne:

• When he returned to the future after the Games, Future Trunks killed Cell.
  
• Had Future Cell kiled Future Trunks after his return (Which we know didn't happen) the "Future" Trunks saga of Super wouldn't have happened and the Zero Mortals Plan would have been accomplished without any problems

The Zero Mortals Plan would be probably stopped by Majin Buu, no one is there to stop the creation of a Majin Buu that would still be Evil, and even if Zamazu wishes to become immortal, Buu could still absorb him, and there is only a Goku Black in the main Trunks Future Timeline, or another one would already have returned.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Nadia:

Originally posted by SabaraOne:

• When he returned to the future after the Games, Future Trunks killed Cell.
  
• Had Future Cell kiled Future Trunks after his return (Which we know didn't happen) the "Future" Trunks saga of Super wouldn't have happened and the Zero Mortals Plan would have been accomplished without any problems

The Zero Mortals Plan would be probably stopped by Majin Buu, no one is there to stop the creation of a Majin Buu that would still be Evil, and even if Zamazu wishes to become immortal, Buu could still absorb him, and there is only a Goku Black in the main Trunks Future Timeline, or another one would already have returned.

But can Majin Buu do the Monster Mash ???