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Again, depends on each VN, can’t generalize.
As far as my other personal opinion goes, VNs tend to be cheap wank material. A huge problem is of course that while there are some that are art, they dont look, on the surface, much different from porn. Dont want to say that Valve are doing the right thing here (as i and others said before, theres a bigger fish to fry), but the comparison to TW and GTA still blows for the beforementioned reason.
I presented the example of the film "Blue is the Warmest Colour", which isn't considered pornography despite containing very graphic sex scenes. An even more extreme example might be Lars von Trier's "Nymphomanic".
Context matters, and it's subjective.
Ok you know this how? I mean yes thoese kinda games probably exist, but to tar every VN with that brush is pretty harsh. And so what? So what if someone wants to 'play a game' for anime tiddies with no more plot then the plumber coming to clean the drains porno, so what?
It's up to steam to sell, or not sell it, it's up to the buyer to buy or not buy it. Steam is, IMHO, sitting on the fence, fingers in ears chanting 'la,lal,la,la,la'
It either embraces VN, or doesn't. It either accepts that there are anime tiddies and they exisit in games, or it doesn't.
Paypal also needs to grow the feck up, and stop being 'oh noes pR0n' I mean it will let me buy Debbie does Dallas, but has an issue with some cartoon pootang? Why? (EDIT: And before we start 'that' debate over 18 catonn pootang which isn't in anyway CLEARLY not 18 and not just someones opinon of looks under 18 as they don't like the style)
I'm sorry this is morality and misunderstanding and a dash of pedo crisis all rolled into one.
I'd be happy for steam to lock this content, and witcher and GTA all off in their own little sections, and make us prove our ages before they unlock these areas, and you pick which areas are open, and how and when
Make it easy for people who don't want to see thinigs not see things, I mean I know that involves steam taking an active interest on what goes on in it;s store....
Thing is, it won't happen, steam will leave it as it is, and after MiM or similar launch another stupid salvo we'll have the same stupid debate - but change nothing
In my opinion, the problem is not the existence of sex, the problem (they are seeing) is the anime art style which resembles younger persons, therefore making it a reason (in their eyes) to removal, even with censorship.
There are obviously big groups behind it. MiM just claimed victory right after Steam letter.
I think the big problem is that they won’t stop in VNs. Eventually they will target other games, even western games like GTA (even if they are not pornographic, but it contains sex).
My question is more to protect the developers - you may have a story arch in a game that leads to frontal nudity. I don't see how it is different from having extremely accurate "killing sims". Developers would have better parameters of their art budget on if it was clearly outlined. I don't see how boobs are worse than car jacking someone, stomping them to death, and killing cops in GTA. Is brutal depiction of a guy's head exploding worse than boobs? We have UFC games... where you can literally fantasize about playing as Cain Vasquez and beating peoples faces into a pulp and causing brain damage, but anime women are a concern. So the issue is that the anime women look like minors?
Imagine countries where women aren't allowed to drive, and have to sit in the back seat.
Germany, Australia and even UK are banning anime (ecchi/sexy) games. The games are not pornographic, and some of them are even 13+ Teen rated in USA or JP. I guess it depends on who reviews it.
Why am I using rating boards as example? Because Valve is actually doing the same thing now. They are in the process of reviewing anime games and they CAN possibly ban the games with anime art. It will probably depend on if the person in charge for reviewing is against anime art and see it as illegal (underage) stuff.
So would it just be banned in that region?
For example... can women even play video games in Saudia Arabia? I know they recently got the right to drive cars certain hours of the day. The country is extremely rich and have also just opened some movie theaters to women. Before they couldn't see movies. They still have iPhones and western merchandise.